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Postby Pendragonia » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:29 pm

Lenehen wrote:
Malgrave wrote:
I for one favour giving them a proper good spanking and twenty minutes on the naughty step!


Thats not going far enough, we should also stop them from seeing their friends and stop their pocket-money.


Gee, dad, why don't you take her car keys and phone anyway too!


somebody had to say it.
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Postby Cromarty » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:33 pm

Rio Cana wrote:The Argentinians just want there islands back. They never gave up claim. Its like if you went to your next door neighbors home and tossed him out and gave it to one of your relatives who quickly moves in. You know what would happen. Argentina just wants the islands back. They have no quarrel with the inhabitants

Shame the islands never belonged to Argentina.
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Postby Kouralia » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:34 pm

Malgrave wrote:


That attacked killed someone from my region.

How close was that person to you? Same county?
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Postby Malgrave » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:37 pm

Kouralia wrote:
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That attacked killed someone from my region.

How close was that person to you? Same county?


Upon second thought I was actually wrong this person was injured it was a similar attack in Afghanistan that led to the killing of a regional soldier.
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Postby Rio Cana » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:39 pm

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And the Brits have SLBMs in the range of whatever target they want.



Those SLBM are nuked tip.The UK. could not use them against Argentina which acceded to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) in 1995.

Before that Argentina also signed in 1968 the Treaty of Tlatelolco (which is also called the Treaty for the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons in Latin America and the Caribbean.) However, they did not ratify it until 1994 which means the UK. before that date could technically have nuked them. But now no longer can they legally be nuked.


So Latin America is a nuclear free zone. Anything in blue is considered a nuclear free zone.

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Postby Lenehen » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:42 pm

Pendragonia wrote:
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Thats not going far enough, we should also stop them from seeing their friends and stop their pocket-money.


Gee, dad, why don't you take her car keys and phone anyway too!


somebody had to say it.


Damn it boy, don't mock me! Its for her own good! >:(
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Postby Westegria » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:43 pm

If there is a second Falkland war, let's hope that the BBC "ruins" it again. :P

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Postby Rio Cana » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:44 pm

Cromarty wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:The Argentinians just want there islands back. They never gave up claim. Its like if you went to your next door neighbors home and tossed him out and gave it to one of your relatives who quickly moves in. You know what would happen. Argentina just wants the islands back. They have no quarrel with the inhabitants

Shame the islands never belonged to Argentina.


US Federal Court ruled back in the 19 century that they did.

And lets see what the Irish say about it. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsnMWE__LCU
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Postby Dabtoria » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:47 pm

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US Federal Court ruled back in the 19 century that they did.


Does that tie in with the whole 'Monroe Doctrine'? Because we still own some Caribbean islands, too...

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Postby Rio Cana » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:53 pm

Dabtoria wrote:
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US Federal Court ruled back in the 19 century that they did.


Does that tie in with the whole 'Monroe Doctrine'? Because we still own some Caribbean islands, too...


The Cayman islands, British Virgin Islands, Anguilla and Bermuda no problems. :clap:

But I do think the Canadians want to annex the Turks and Caicos Islands, so be on the lookout for Canadians. :lol:
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Postby Avenio » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:57 pm

Rio Cana wrote:US Federal Court ruled back in the 19 century that they did.


Can you post a link to that ruling? I can't seem to find it anywhere, and the two American captains involved in the Falklands' history didn't really have any sort of involvement with American law; one was a ships' captain who was marooned by the shipwrecked Britons he was attempting to rescue, and the other seems to have been a privateer who was, at that time, running missions for the Argentinians, not against them.

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Postby Cromarty » Wed Dec 21, 2011 12:59 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
Cromarty wrote:Shame the islands never belonged to Argentina.


US Federal Court ruled back in the 19 century that they did.

And the US Federal Court means jack shit to, you know, reality.

Reality is this thing where Britain 4 times offered arbitration, legally binding arbitration, to the Argies, and the Argies refused, 4 times.

Reality is this thing where Argentina then invaded the islands, got their asses handed to them and then went crying to the world 15 minutes later.

Reality is this thing where the Falklanders don't want to join Argentina.
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Postby The Matthew Islands » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:09 pm

Damn, I wanted to post 'in b4 people start crying about no carriers like The Sun' but with I'm always too slow when it comes to that, cuz, you know, Argentina's military is internationally recognised as being a well funded, high tech, well trained global force to be reckoned with, and not, the Argentinian military.

It would be interesting to see if Argentina did somehow pull an invasion off again whether Europe would properly support Britain. Or rather, whether Spain would do so without kicking shit up, since Spain always seemed pretty mad that 30,000 people in Gibraltar don't want to be Spanish.
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Cromarty wrote:Shame the islands never belonged to Argentina.


US Federal Court ruled back in the 19 century that they did.

And lets see what the Irish say about it. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsnMWE__LCU

Great. So you argument seems to revolve around two things no one gives a shit about. A US court and the Irish.
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Postby Fnordgasm 5 » Wed Dec 21, 2011 1:21 pm

Unless you're also advocating the eviction of every Argentinian of European descent from Argentina or and returning the lands to the indigenous population then I don't think you can morally demand that the return of the Falklands to the Argentinians..
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Postby Risottia » Wed Dec 21, 2011 2:30 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
Risottia wrote:And the Brits have SLBMs in the range of whatever target they want.

Those SLBM are nuked tip.The UK. could not use them against Argentina which acceded to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT) in 1995.


Carpet-bombing inhabited areas is a war crime, as per a treaty (IV Geneva convention) Argentina signed and ratified. I don't see why they should hope an international treaty would protect them from retribution should they deliberately target inhabited areas, as threatened above.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:56 pm

Once again, Argentina and her allies are attempting to piss in a bowl not mean for their relief. They have no claim to the Falklands, and certainly no popular support to base a new claim off of, and should stop this attempt at a play for regional superiority over extra-continental forces before they get shown the business end of a British rocket.

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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:58 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:Once again, Argentina and her allies are attempting to piss in a bowl not mean for their relief. They have no claim to the Falklands, and certainly no popular support to base a new claim off of, and should stop this attempt at a play for regional superiority over extra-continental forces before they get shown the business end of a British rocket.


Unfortunately, it doesn't stop our government from trying.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:01 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:Once again, Argentina and her allies are attempting to piss in a bowl not mean for their relief. They have no claim to the Falklands, and certainly no popular support to base a new claim off of, and should stop this attempt at a play for regional superiority over extra-continental forces before they get shown the business end of a British rocket.


Unfortunately, it doesn't stop our government from trying.

*Sigh* Yes, unfortunately. Hopefully, the Argentinian government will back down before it comes to blows again. How fares the Argentinian navy, by the way? Would it stand a snowballs chance against the British?

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Postby The Batorys » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:01 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
Cromarty wrote:Shame the islands never belonged to Argentina.


US Federal Court ruled back in the 19 century that they did.

And lets see what the Irish say about it. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsnMWE__LCU

That would matter... if the Falklands were part of the USA or Ireland.

They're not.

As for Argentina somehow inheriting Spain's claim to them... no. Spain still exists as a country. If the Falklands belong to anybody but the British, they're still Spain's. As someone pointed out, when they were Spain's colony (yes, colony), they were administered from Montevideo, which is in Uruguay, not Argentina.

Besides which, the most important part of this is what the islanders themselves think. The Falklanders pretty universally want to remain British and hate Argentina.

You say they are colonists. Well then, show me the indigenous Falkland islanders that they're supposedly oppressing? You can't. Because there are none.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:03 pm

Ceannairceach wrote:*Sigh* Yes, unfortunately. Hopefully, the Argentinian government will back down before it comes to blows again. How fares the Argentinian navy, by the way? Would it stand a snowballs chance against the British?


In a general aspect our military is but a shadow of what it was at the time of the war - and you can imagine we stood a snowball's chance even back then. And besides, no one is dumb enough here - we're dumb enough for many things, but not to go into a war of that kind again, I assure you - to take that extreme.
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Postby Socialist States Owen » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:05 pm

Angleter wrote:They're trying to isolate and sanction a small group of people exercising their right to self-determination, and make their wishes untenable, and are managing to get away with it. Where's the UN? Or the EU?


The UN don't give a shit about defending the Falklands because they are useless, and France is determined not to assist in any defence of the Falklands.

Of course the Argentine claim to the islands is invalid, and without carrier aircraft for the next 10 years or not, the Argentine military is in no position to hold on to the islands if it invaded again.
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Postby Llamalandia » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:32 pm

What's so special about the falklands do they like a giant diamond mine or oil reserves or something, I'm mean seriously WTF. Is it like Fantasy Island with a midget yelling de plane de plane or what?

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Postby Vetalia » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:34 pm

Well, if the shit hits the fan the UK will kick their asses once again...
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Postby Maurepas » Wed Dec 21, 2011 6:22 pm

Should just fly the Union Jack and dare them to declare the UK flag an illegal one.

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