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Postby Morrdh » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:12 am

South American bloc Mercosur to bar Falklands ships

A South American trading bloc that includes Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay agreed Tuesday to close its ports to ships flying the flag of the disputed Falkland Islands, Uruguay's president said.

The presidents of the Mercosur countries agreed at a summit here that ships flying the Falklands flag "should not dock in Mercosur ports, and if that were to happen, they should not be accepted in another Mercosur port," Uruguay's President Jose Mujica said.

A statement issued at the end of the summit said member countries would adopt "all measures that can be put in place to impede the entry to its ports of ships that fly the illegal flag of the Malvinas Islands."

Argentina's President Cristina Kirchner, who took over the presidency of the trade bloc from Mujica, thanked her fellow presidents for the show of support for Buenos Aires in its dispute with Britain over the South Atlantic archipelago.

The two countries fought a brief but bloody war in 1982 over the islands, which are known as the Malvinas in the Spanish-speaking world.

Argentina and Britain have renewed diplomatic ties since the war, but the dispute has heated up again as British companies have begun exploring for oil in waters surrounding the islands, which lie 400 nautical miles from the Argentine coast.

In mid-September, the British company Rockhopper Exploration announced that it hopes to begin oil production in the region in early 2016 and have a maximum output 120,000 barrels per day by 2018.

The decision announced by Mujica would close ports of Argentina, Uruguay and Brazil to Falklands flagged ships.

The Uruguayan president last week announced that his country would bar Falklands ships from Uruguayan ports, prompting Britain to call in the Uruguayan ambassador to express its concern.


Source: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/south-american ... 25511.html

Not sure exactly how much of an effect this will have, it certainly wouldn't go down well with the Kelpers (Falkland Islanders) themselves who really dislike Argentina as it it. Hopefully Dave Boy will respond by going "So?" and make British ships not call at these ports, though I suspect end of the day it comes down to what the US does....if anything.

I just wished Argentina would stop behaving like a spoilt brat regarding the Falklands, would be even better if the UN passed something to resolve things once and for all.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:16 am

It gets back to the current inhabitants not wanting to become a part of Argentina but stay a part of the UK. By that basis, Argentina has no claim worth listening to for those islands.
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Postby Cosmopoles » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:20 am

Don't they have actual issues to deal with at these conferences?

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Postby Great Nepal » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:28 am

Why do I have feeling that there is going to be another Argentine-British war?
Seriously, doesn't Argentina have anything better to do than whinge about how an island whose inhabitants identify themselves at British & despise Argentine isn't there?
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Postby Cosgravia » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:28 am

Argentina have historical claims to the islands, however they have for the last few hundred years been British territory. The people want to remain part of Britain's overseas territories. However, if Argentina invade AGAIN, they'll win as Britain no longer has an airforce within it's navy capable of defending them.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:29 am

I wish the EU would just tell the Argentines and anyone who sides with them to fuck off.

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Postby Aestoria » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:31 am

Ugh the Argintinians just can't get over it can they, their claim to the island is pretty poor without the current residents, with them it's non-existent. If the Falklanders want to be British let them be, if they wanted to be Argintinian we'd have let them go already.
All this means is that we'll dock in other nations' ports; less trade for them.
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Postby Angleter » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:33 am

They're trying to isolate and sanction a small group of people exercising their right to self-determination, and make their wishes untenable, and are managing to get away with it. Where's the UN? Or the EU?
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Postby San Monteriano » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:37 am

Pathetic. The Argentine government just want to get their hands on the oil production there, which is despicable. Would they really risk a diplomatic incident - and possibly a military one - for a bit of oil? Is it worth the lives of perhaps hundreds? Well, they apparently think so. I'm no patriotic British person, but it is shameful to think that South America has to complain and sanction against a tiny group of islands and islets; and they claim not to be ruled by imperialistic leaders anymore. The UN needs to put them in their place, once and for all, before this can escalate.
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Postby Aestoria » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:37 am

Angleter wrote:They're trying to isolate and sanction a small group of people exercising their right to self-determination, and make their wishes untenable, and are managing to get away with it. Where's the UN? Or the EU?


The Spanish in the war supported Argentina so maybe they're blocking any EU action.
I think a quite a few nations actually support Argentina so that's probably why no UN action has been taken.
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Postby San Monteriano » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:41 am

Aestoria wrote:
Angleter wrote:They're trying to isolate and sanction a small group of people exercising their right to self-determination, and make their wishes untenable, and are managing to get away with it. Where's the UN? Or the EU?


The Spanish in the war supported Argentina so maybe they're blocking any EU action.
I think a quite a few nations actually support Argentina so that's probably why no UN action has been taken.


Apparently the EU Lisbon Treaty ratifies that the Falklands belong to Britain.
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Postby Kulverint » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:47 am

Of course, thanks to massive defence cuts, our total number of aircraft carriers, from which we could retake the islands is Argentina do invade, is a grand total of 0.

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Postby The Batorys » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:48 am

Cosgravia wrote:Argentina have historical claims to the islands, however they have for the last few hundred years been British territory. The people want to remain part of Britain's overseas territories. However, if Argentina invade AGAIN, they'll win as Britain no longer has an airforce within it's navy capable of defending them.

The British have been in the Falklands longer than Argentina has been a country.
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Postby Aestoria » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:49 am

San Monteriano wrote:
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The Spanish in the war supported Argentina so maybe they're blocking any EU action.
I think a quite a few nations actually support Argentina so that's probably why no UN action has been taken.


Apparently the EU Lisbon Treaty ratifies that the Falklands belong to Britain.


Obviously Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay don't care what the EU thinks, I doubt any EU member is going to rush to our defence considering our relations at the moment.
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Postby Angleter » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:51 am

Cosgravia wrote:Argentina have historical claims to the islands, however they have for the last few hundred years been British territory. The people want to remain part of Britain's overseas territories. However, if Argentina invade AGAIN, they'll win as Britain no longer has an airforce within it's navy capable of defending them.


Argentina hasn't an air force nor navy capable of taking them any more, given the enhanced British defences on the islands themselves.
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Postby Cosmopoles » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:51 am

Angleter wrote:They're trying to isolate and sanction a small group of people exercising their right to self-determination, and make their wishes untenable, and are managing to get away with it. Where's the UN? Or the EU?


I believe that UN or EU action would require us to ask them to intervene, which we probably won't.

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Postby West Failure » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:53 am

How many ships actually fly a Falklands flag (whatever that might be)? Surely they all fly the Liberian flag or wherever they happen to have been registered?
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Postby Great Nepal » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:53 am

Kulverint wrote:Of course, thanks to massive defence cuts, our total number of aircraft carriers, from which we could retake the islands is Argentina do invade, is a grand total of 0.

Thanks, Tories!

Yea, cos maintaining aircraft carrier is more important than economy. :roll:

Anyway, UK could send a detachment size of field army along with some airforce to Islands so that it doesn't fall in first place.
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Postby Kulverint » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:55 am

West Failure wrote:How many ships actually fly a Falklands flag (whatever that might be)? Surely they all fly the Liberian flag or wherever they happen to have been registered?

25. Most fly the UK shipping standard, which has not been banned.

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Postby Great Nepal » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:56 am

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West Failure wrote:How many ships actually fly a Falklands flag (whatever that might be)? Surely they all fly the Liberian flag or wherever they happen to have been registered?

25. Most fly the UK shipping standard, which has not been banned.

So, all those 25 ships need to do is change their flag when they want to dock in South American ports... shouldn't take more than few seconds.
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Postby Lowbliviar » Wed Dec 21, 2011 4:57 am

its uraguay ('scuse spelling) starting this not argentina...
and also, just fly the british flag instead, america has no say in any of this OP

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Postby Risen Britannia » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:00 am

oh look it would appear that Argentina's leaders are trying to distract the general population again

anyway, the current armed presence there is:
-a frigate or guided missile destroyer accompanied by an RFA vessel in the South Atlantic and a patrol ship permanently close to the islands
-500 armed personnel
-Four Eurofighter Typhoons

which doesnt sound like much, but its enough to put people off attacking it
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Postby Great Malema » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:01 am

Honestly, will they ever get over that fact that the Falklands are British? That's like the Germans still thinking that the Alsace-Lorraine belongs to them.
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Postby Morrdh » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:01 am

Lowbliviar wrote:america has no say in any of this OP


True, but the US still has the leverage with South American and could in theory apply pressure if it still cares about the 'Special Relationship' with us Brits.

I mean in 1982 they back us lot at the cost of poorer relations with alot of South American countries.
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Postby Misterfisher minions » Wed Dec 21, 2011 5:03 am

San Monteriano wrote:Pathetic. The Argentine government just want to get their hands on the oil production there, which is despicable. Would they really risk a diplomatic incident - and possibly a military one - for a bit of oil? Is it worth the lives of perhaps hundreds? Well, they apparently think so. I'm no patriotic British person, but it is shameful to think that South America has to complain and sanction against a tiny group of islands and islets; and they claim not to be ruled by imperialistic leaders anymore. The UN needs to put them in their place, once and for all, before this can escalate.


Erm...no, that is a rational approach of foreign policy: promote your country's self interests. And that's obviously more than " a bit of oil " regarding all the incidents currently happening in this region. Anyways, Argentine lacks military means and is actually a screwed-up economy, they are even importing beef!!
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