HIV vaccine to begin testing

[Katganistan]

Also, what about rape etc. (also a big problem in the kind of totally shit countries which have lots of HIV).

Especially since raping young girls is supposed to cure HIV, from what some of those afflicted allegedly believe.

[Four-sided Triangles]

As someone who's clearly an expert in that, does it bring you happiness?

Because as someone on a bit of a barren run of the moment, this does not feel so great to me. Also, what about rape etc. (also a big problem in the kind of totally shit countries which have lots of HIV).

If you get raped by someone with HIV, get tested. If you have HIV, never have sex again. Sure, it's cruel, it's unfair, it's unjust, but that's the most effective way to stop it from spreading.

As for the rapists themselves, that's a bit more complex of an issue. Much of it relates back to the breathtakingly idiotic superstitious beliefs about AIDS that many in sub-Saharan Africa seem to hold.

[Hesperium]

Let's assume abortions are illegal or well out of the price range of the common folk in many places with HIV, and that accidents happen. It's not really a matter of responsibility so much as bad fortune.

If you have an HIV infection, just don't ever have sex. There.

If you don't want to die in a car accident, just don't ever drive. There.
If you don't want to choke on food and die, just don't ever eat. There.
If you don't want to drown, just don't ever swim. There.

You're really saying that you ONLY have sex for procreation? You're either a liar or a virgin.
EDIT: Or, y'know, asexual.

[Four-sided Triangles]

If you don't want to die in a car accident, just don't ever drive. There.
If you don't want to choke on food and die, just don't ever eat. There.
If you don't want to drown, just don't ever swim. There.

You're really saying that you ONLY have sex for procreation? You're either a liar or a virgin.

I don't have sex period. Besides, having sex with HIV is like a blind person driving or someone with asthma becoming a distance runner.

[Seibertron]

If you have an HIV infection, just don't ever have sex. There.

If you don't want to die in a car accident, just don't ever drive. There.
If you don't want to choke on food and die, just don't ever eat. There.
If you don't want to drown, just don't ever swim. There.

You're really saying that you ONLY have sex for procreation? You're either a liar or a virgin.

FST reckons that just thinking of sex is offensive even though the other party does not feel offense until one does an action signifying it.

[Hesperium]

If you don't want to die in a car accident, just don't ever drive. There.
If you don't want to choke on food and die, just don't ever eat. There.
If you don't want to drown, just don't ever swim. There.

You're really saying that you ONLY have sex for procreation? You're either a liar or a virgin.

I don't have sex period. Besides, having sex with HIV is like a blind person driving or someone with asthma becoming a distance runner.

What about people who don't know that they're not having sex with someone with HIV? Some people don't mention it, some people don't even realize that they have it. .

Also, condoms do exist.

[Four-sided Triangles]

What about people who don't know that they're not having sex with someone with HIV? Some people don't mention it, some people don't even realize that they have it.

If I were a sexually active individual, I would demand a full course of recent STD checks from the other person and a copy of the test documentation before considering to have sex with them. How else do I know if they're carrying anything or not?

Also, condoms do exist.

And they aren't foolproof.

[Hesperium]

What about people who don't know that they're not having sex with someone with HIV? Some people don't mention it, some people don't even realize that they have it.

If I were a sexually active individual, I would demand a full course of recent STD checks from the other person and a copy of the test documentation before considering to have sex with them. How else do I know if they're carrying anything or not?

Also, condoms do exist.

And they aren't foolproof.

But does that mean that people who get unlucky should have to suffer with an awful virus like HIV because fortune frowned upon them one day, especially when we're capable of helping those people?

Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?

[Mad Monarch]

What about people who don't know that they're not having sex with someone with HIV? Some people don't mention it, some people don't even realize that they have it.

If I were a sexually active individual, I would demand a full course of recent STD checks from the other person and a copy of the test documentation before considering to have sex with them. How else do I know if they're carrying anything or not?

Also, condoms do exist.

And they aren't foolproof.

The alternative is the human race slowly goes extinct under the weight of vibrators and fleshlights.

[Saint Jade IV]

I wonder how long it will take for the Christian Right to insist that this will herald the destruction of society, and demand that only those they deem worthy should receive the vaccine.

Or to suggest that those most in need of it shouldn't receive it since that would remove the fear factor.

[Four-sided Triangles]

But does that mean that people who get unlucky should have to suffer with an awful virus like HIV because fortune frowned upon them one day, especially when we're capable of helping those people?

Or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?

I'm not saying that we shouldn't cure it. I'm just lamenting about the fact that we have to develop such a vaccine to begin with.

[Meowfoundland]

I hope it works well, and that it can be made cheaply.

[Condunum]

For some strange reason, the only thing I could think of through this whole thing was 'The Omega Man'

[Neutraligon]

BS. Human testing is one of the most difficult parts of the clinical trials. More than that animal testing by no means tells scientists what will happen in humans. True aniumal testing will always occur before human testing but other animals and humans do not always react to a drug the same way. Human testing takes years to complete and tens of thousands of dollars. In addition I doubt FDA would insist on it if it simply were symbolic.

If it is a major drug with severe consequences then yes, human testing is insanely important. However, the vast majority of drugs and makeup (also goes through testing) would probably not be approved by the FDA when it comes to human testing. Just look at the back of any weight loss pill or low grade skin care product.

There are two definitions of drugs, dietary supplements are called a structure function and because they do not diagnose, treat, cure, or mitigate a disease immediately go on the market. They are only removed from the market if FDA can prove they cause harm. That means these do not need to go through clinical trials before they go on market(the company can do so if they wish to). Pharmaceutical drugs, on the other hand, must pass clinical trials before going on market because they are use to diagnose, treat cure or mitigate a disease of human or animal. When you mention weight loss pills, many are not regulated in the same way a pharmaceutical drug is regulated, the same is true for many skin care products, they are structure function drugs, not pharmaceutical drugs.

[Seibertron]

For some strange reason, the only thing I could think of through this whole thing was 'The Omega Man'

You mean the second adaptation of the novel I am Legend? A disease modified to become a cure becomes an even worse disease...

[Condunum]

That would be the one, Sieb. Part of the family. >:)

[Greed and Death]

Also, what about rape etc. (also a big problem in the kind of totally shit countries which have lots of HIV).

Especially since raping young girls is supposed to cure HIV, from what some of those afflicted allegedly believe.

Virgin, not necessarily young.

[Metanih]

How to test this?
Give vaccine, then inoculate the victims test subjects with HIV?

[Conserative Morality]

Cross your fingers, eh?

[Katganistan]

Especially since raping young girls is supposed to cure HIV, from what some of those afflicted allegedly believe.

Virgin, not necessarily young.

That must be why the article is about child sex abuse and mentions two, eight, and fourteen year olds.

Because the young ones are likely not to be virgins, and the fifty year olds are.

[Greed and Death]

Virgin, not necessarily young.

That must be why the article is about child sex abuse and mentions two, eight, and fourteen year olds.

Because the young ones are likely not to be virgins, and the fifty year olds are.

Well three examples a scientific study does not make.
The odd older virgin, is also given an incentive to keep that status a secret I imagine.

[Norstal]

Cool. If our pace of science keeps up, we might be able to spit in God's face by 2020.

Seems like a pretty stupid goal, spitting in God's face. Unless your opinion is we shouldn't do research because "it's meant to be"?

If that were so, why the heck would we have gotten the brainpower and intellect to find these solutions? God must have had a reason for giving them to us.

Except I'm an atheist and spitting in God's face, if possible, is something I really want to do.

[Wikkiwallana]

Oh shit, I was so caught up in hoping that I didn't even think about that part. 10 to 1 says that if this passes testing, the religious right is going to protest this so hard it makes the backlash over Gardasil look like a minor pout.

Fuck the religious right. They don't have to take it, but they can rot before they prevent others from being protected.

Amen.
(Yes, I am aware of the irony.)

[Wikkiwallana]

Um, if this is taking place in canada, why did the U.S. Food and Drugs have to approve it?

Just because a the drug was developed in Canada doesn't mean they are testing it there. America might be better for a number of reasons. The one that most readily comes to mind is that we probably have a greater at risk population to sample from, between our larger population, shit-tastic sex ed, and I'm betting we have a greater incidence of illicit drug use as well. Probably more genetic diversity as well, meaning side effects that only effect parts of the population due to certain genes.

[Saint Jade IV]

Fuck the religious right. They don't have to take it, but they can rot before they prevent others from being protected.

Amen.
(Yes, I am aware of the irony.)

I am amazed at the predictability of the Religious Right that the first thought of so many people was, "They'll try to block it."

Kinda hoping they mix it up a little.