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I would like to nominate myself as a possible group leader.
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Postby Immoren » Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:55 am

Lucantis wrote: even IF you can burn Zombies.

Of course zombies can burn, because I go by assumption that laws of physics and chemistry haven't stopped working.
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Postby Dragosovlkiav » Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:06 am

grab plasma cutter, shoot there limbs off.
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Postby Zathganastan » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:29 am

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Knoxcrest wrote:Seriously. Napalm is a MILITARY GRADE WEAPON. Usually needs to be dropped by a MILITARY AIRCRAFT.

Good luck finding that shit.

Zathganastan wrote:Where the hell are you going to find Napalm during a zombie apocalypse, because I'm pretty sure your local Walmart is fresh out.

Divair wrote:And you plan on finding napalm.. where, exactly?

You people don't know how easy it is to make napalm, do you? All it is is Styrofoam dissolved in gasoline. Would it be military quality? Doubtful -- they probably used a much more complex method to develop a more effective weapon. Would it be good enough to do the trick? Definitely. It's still super-sticky, burns super-hot, and is super-hard to put out. Not that I speak from experience, of course :unsure:


Yes because small travelling bands of survivors usually have the time and skills to mix up Napalm without setting half a city block and themselves fire.Once again Napalm is a quick burning chemical that burns until whatever it touches is destroyed.Where would A survivor be able to make and store Napalm until needed, because carrying it with you in no better then walking into a zombie horde covered in baroque sauce. Napalm also sucks the oxygen from the area, so using it would also be a slow painful death for the user.which is why it's only dropped from military aircraft.
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Postby San Leggera » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:35 am

Zathganastan wrote:Yes because small travelling bands of survivors usually have the time and skills to mix up Napalm without setting half a city block on fire.Once again Napalm is a quick burning chemical that burns until whatever it touches is destroyed.Where would A survivor be able to make and store Napalm until needed, because carrying it with you in no better then walking into a zombie horde covered in baroque sauce. Napalm also sucks the oxygen from the area,so using it would also be a slow painful death for however was dumb enough to try and use it.which is why it's only dropped from military aircraft.

It would still kill zombies, so I see no problem with it.
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Postby Zathganastan » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:36 am

San Leggera wrote:
Zathganastan wrote:Yes because small travelling bands of survivors usually have the time and skills to mix up Napalm without setting half a city block on fire.Once again Napalm is a quick burning chemical that burns until whatever it touches is destroyed.Where would A survivor be able to make and store Napalm until needed, because carrying it with you in no better then walking into a zombie horde covered in baroque sauce. Napalm also sucks the oxygen from the area,so using it would also be a slow painful death for however was dumb enough to try and use it.which is why it's only dropped from military aircraft.

It would still kill zombies, so I see no problem with it.

Which is why you'd wind up a burnt corpse on the side of the road.
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Postby San Leggera » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:37 am

Zathganastan wrote:
San Leggera wrote:It would still kill zombies, so I see no problem with it.

Which is why you'd wind up a burnt corpse on the side of the road.

The zombies would still be killed in the process.
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Postby Zathganastan » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:44 am

San Leggera wrote:
Zathganastan wrote:Which is why you'd wind up a burnt corpse on the side of the road.

The zombies would still be killed in the process.

Yes a few zombies out of the billions and growing that inhabit the earth are dead.The point of a zombie invasion is to survive, which is hard to do when you messing with a chemical that burns rapidly when exposed to oxygen.
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Postby San Leggera » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:47 am

Zathganastan wrote:
San Leggera wrote:The zombies would still be killed in the process.

Yes a few zombies out of the billions and growing that inhabit the earth are dead.The point of a zombie invasion is to survive, which is hard to do when you messing with a chemical that burns rapidly when exposed to oxygen.

I reiterate, zombies would be killed. Self preservation is is pointless in a zombie apocalypse.
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Postby Zathganastan » Thu Dec 29, 2011 3:52 am

San Leggera wrote:
Zathganastan wrote:Yes a few zombies out of the billions and growing that inhabit the earth are dead.The point of a zombie invasion is to survive, which is hard to do when you messing with a chemical that burns rapidly when exposed to oxygen.

I reiterate, zombies would be killed. Self preservation is is pointless in a zombie apocalypse.

It's the only point in a zombie apocalypse.Hence the term 'Survivors', killing zombies would have to effect what so ever so long as they can infect new people without warning.
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Postby Fanaglia » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:05 am

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You people don't know how easy it is to make napalm, do you? All it is is Styrofoam dissolved in gasoline. Would it be military quality? Doubtful -- they probably used a much more complex method to develop a more effective weapon. Would it be good enough to do the trick? Definitely. It's still super-sticky, burns super-hot, and is super-hard to put out. Not that I speak from experience, of course :unsure:

Yes because small travelling bands of survivors usually have the time and skills to mix up Napalm without setting half a city block on fire.Once again Napalm is a quick burning chemical that burns until whatever it touches is destroyed.Where would A survivor be able to make and store Napalm until needed, because carrying it with you in no better then walking into a zombie horde covered in baroque sauce. Napalm also sucks the oxygen from the area,so using it would also be a slow painful death for however was dumb enough to try and use it.which is why it's only dropped from military aircraft.

The napalm you're referring to is actually not Napalm B, which is the type of napalm I was talking about. From Indestructables.com:

A later variant, napalm-B, also called "super napalm", is a mixture of low-octane gasoline with benzene and polystyrene. It was used in the Vietnam War. Unlike conventional napalm, which burns for only 15-30 seconds, napalm B burns for up to 10 minutes with fewer fireballs, sticks better to surfaces, and offers improved destruction effects. It is not as easy to ignite, which reduces the number of accidents caused by soldiers smoking. When it burns, it develops a characteristic smell.

Starting in the early 1990s, various websites including The Anarchist Cookbook advertised recipes for homemade napalm. These recipes were predominantly equal parts gasoline and styrofoam. This mixture closely resembles that of napalm-B, but lacks a percentage of benzene.
Napalm reaches burning temperatures of approximately 1,200°C (2,200°F). Other additives can be added, eg. powdered aluminum or magnesium, or white phosphorus.


When my friends and I have made napalm before (equal parts gasoline and styrofoam), it was about the consistency of the jelly that you put on your sandwich. We found out the hard way that you can't put it in anything plastic (it'll eat right through it), but pretty much any glass container, such as a mason jar, works very nicely. We also found out the hard way that it's extremely difficult to put out (stomping it out with your boot only gets flaming napalm stuck to the bottom of your boot). In the small amounts we had, the only way you'd have difficulty breathing would be to stand directly in the smoke. Wrap a mason jar full of the stuff with a t-shirt (or something to that tune), set on fire, lob at zombies, and POW! Effective incendiary grenade.*

*Note: The aforementioned is the means to an effective incendiary grenade. This does not mean that incendiary grenades are an effective weapon against hoards of undead.
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Postby San Leggera » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:07 am

Fanaglia wrote:but pretty much any glass container

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Postby Zathganastan » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:26 am

Fanaglia wrote:
Zathganastan wrote:Yes because small travelling bands of survivors usually have the time and skills to mix up Napalm without setting half a city block on fire.Once again Napalm is a quick burning chemical that burns until whatever it touches is destroyed.Where would A survivor be able to make and store Napalm until needed, because carrying it with you in no better then walking into a zombie horde covered in baroque sauce. Napalm also sucks the oxygen from the area,so using it would also be a slow painful death for however was dumb enough to try and use it.which is why it's only dropped from military aircraft.

The napalm you're referring to is actually not Napalm B, which is the type of napalm I was talking about. From Indestructables.com:

A later variant, napalm-B, also called "super napalm", is a mixture of low-octane gasoline with benzene and polystyrene. It was used in the Vietnam War. Unlike conventional napalm, which burns for only 15-30 seconds, napalm B burns for up to 10 minutes with fewer fireballs, sticks better to surfaces, and offers improved destruction effects. It is not as easy to ignite, which reduces the number of accidents caused by soldiers smoking. When it burns, it develops a characteristic smell.

Starting in the early 1990s, various websites including The Anarchist Cookbook advertised recipes for homemade napalm. These recipes were predominantly equal parts gasoline and styrofoam. This mixture closely resembles that of napalm-B, but lacks a percentage of benzene.
Napalm reaches burning temperatures of approximately 1,200°C (2,200°F). Other additives can be added, eg. powdered aluminum or magnesium, or white phosphorus.


When my friends and I have made napalm before (equal parts gasoline and styrofoam), it was about the consistency of the jelly that you put on your sandwich. We found out the hard way that you can't put it in anything plastic (it'll eat right through it), but pretty much any glass container, such as a mason jar, works very nicely. We also found out the hard way that it's extremely difficult to put out (stomping it out with your boot only gets flaming napalm stuck to the bottom of your boot). In the small amounts we had, the only way you'd have difficulty breathing would be to stand directly in the smoke. Wrap a mason jar full of the stuff with a t-shirt (or something to that tune), set on fire, lob at zombies, and POW! Effective incendiary grenade.*

*Note: The aforementioned is the means to an effective incendiary grenade. This does not mean that incendiary grenades are an effective weapon against hoards of undead.

You said napalm not napalm-B, so that's what I went by.And no it wouldn't be a good choice of weapons for a zombie apocalypse, because instead of a horde you now have a flaming horde attacking you.
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Postby San Leggera » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:29 am

Zathganastan wrote:You said napalm not napalm-B, so that's what I went by.And no it wouldn't be a good choice of weapons for a zombie apocalypse, because instead of a horde you now have a flaming horde attacking you.

The fire would deteriorate their limbs too fast for them to be of any threat.
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Postby Zathganastan » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:31 am

San Leggera wrote:
Zathganastan wrote:You said napalm not napalm-B, so that's what I went by.And no it wouldn't be a good choice of weapons for a zombie apocalypse, because instead of a horde you now have a flaming horde attacking you.

The fire would deteriorate their limbs too fast for them to be of any threat.

If they bit or even touch you it's game over dude.
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Postby San Leggera » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:33 am

Zathganastan wrote:
San Leggera wrote:The fire would deteriorate their limbs too fast for them to be of any threat.

If they bit or even touch you it's game over dude.

Biting wouldn't be a threat, as I previously stated. As for touching, there's an episode of Time Warp where they tested fireproof gel that could be useful. However, I can't remember what it's called or even know if it's available to the public.
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Postby Zathganastan » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:45 am

San Leggera wrote:
Zathganastan wrote:If they bit or even touch you it's game over dude.

Biting wouldn't be a threat, as I previously stated. As for touching, there's an episode of Time Warp where they tested fireproof gel that could be useful. However, I can't remember what it's called or even know if it's available to the public.

Napalm-B has about the same power as a flame thrower so thinking their limbs would burn away before they could reach you could be fatal.Also most fire retardant gels are only found around industrial, commercial, fire response centers, so unless you had the gel before the event you'd be out of luck.
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Postby San Leggera » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:46 am

Zathganastan wrote:Also most fire retardant gels are only found around industrial, commercial, fire response centers, so unless you had the gel before the event you'd be out of luck.

Hence the latter part of my post.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:52 am

San Leggera wrote:
Zathganastan wrote:Yes a few zombies out of the billions and growing that inhabit the earth are dead.The point of a zombie invasion is to survive, which is hard to do when you messing with a chemical that burns rapidly when exposed to oxygen.

I reiterate, zombies would be killed. Self preservation is is pointless in a zombie apocalypse.

Why exactly are you killing zombies if not to ensure your own survival?

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Postby San Leggera » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:55 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Leggera wrote:I reiterate, zombies would be killed. Self preservation is is pointless in a zombie apocalypse.

Why exactly are you killing zombies if not to ensure your own survival?

For the sake of killing zombies, which would be my first priority in a zombie invasion.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:57 am

San Leggera wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why exactly are you killing zombies if not to ensure your own survival?

For the sake of killing zombies, which would be my first priority in a zombie invasion.

I don't think you've grasped the concept of a survival strategy.

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Postby San Leggera » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:58 am

Ifreann wrote:
San Leggera wrote:For the sake of killing zombies, which would be my first priority in a zombie invasion.

I don't think you've grasped the concept of a survival strategy.

survival becomes second priority. If the zombies don't have any people to turn into zombies, they lose.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:59 am

San Leggera wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I don't think you've grasped the concept of a survival strategy.

survival becomes second priority. If the zombies don't have any people to turn into zombies, they lose.

I still don't think you understand the term.

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Postby Immoren » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:01 am

I again wonder why going to summer cottage, that is stocked with food and in middle of deep lake, would not work? for survival. Also because here in Finland is so many watery bodies, one would think it would hinder, the spreading of zombies.
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Postby Zathganastan » Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:03 am

San Leggera wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I don't think you've grasped the concept of a survival strategy.

survival becomes second priority. If the zombies don't have any people to turn into zombies, they lose.

If they don't have anyone to infect doesn't that mean humanity has been wiped out.
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