Worst leaders in history?

[Gig em Aggies]

I was getting attention to stop people from degrading the choices I made on my list. I don't personally hold grudges but I dislike people who degrade someones choices on a thread that ask what people think is there choice for the worst leaders in history are. I stand by my choices and i'll respect anyone else's choices to I may. Disagree with it but I won't blast negativity towards their choices.

[Ha Shi Ma]

Genghis Khan.
He terrorized the Eurasian continent, murdered and raped millions of people, for the sake of his conquest in the world.

[Milks Empire]

Genghis Khan.
He terrorized the Eurasian continent, murdered and raped millions of people, for the sake of his conquest in the world.

He was so badass that I think he's earned an exemption from this list.

[Gladia]

Genghis Khan.
He terrorized the Eurasian continent, murdered and raped millions of people, for the sake of his conquest in the world.

Who wasn't doing that in the 13th century?

[Szantana]

Rakosi

[Cromarty]

Genghis Khan.
He terrorized the Eurasian continent, murdered and raped millions of people, for the sake of his conquest in the world.

How does that make him a bad leader? He united the most warlike tribes on Earth, invaded China, went around the Great Wall and sent men over the friggin thing prior to the Battle of Badger's Mouth Pass, driving 30,000 prisoners before him to soak up thousands of Chinese crossbow bolts before his men got in range, beat the Shah of Kwarezem and then his son when he led a bloody rebellion against Mongol rule.

[Kirrig]

Genghis Khan.
He terrorized the Eurasian continent, murdered and raped millions of people, for the sake of his conquest in the world.

How does that make him a bad leader? He united the most warlike tribes on Earth, invaded China, went around the Great Wall and sent men over the friggin thing prior to the Battle of Badger's Mouth Pass, driving 30,000 prisoners before him to soak up thousands of Chinese crossbow bolts before his men got in range, beat the Shah of Kwarezem and then his son when he led a bloody rebellion against Mongol rule.

One could argue that Genghis Khan was a bad leader because of what happened at the end of his lifespan, after he was dead and the effects that had on the empire he created. That said I'm sure that he appears on this thread because of things like driving 30000 prisoners towards the enemy to protect his own men. While this was obviously a brilliant idea and protected the people Genghis Khan had to care about, we now see it as morally wrong.

[Sylverstov]

Nero... Nero and Czar Nicholaus II I believe his name was.

Mussolini was pretty bad too.

[Kirrig]

Choosing a worst leader, or even a few, is always difficult because once you have decided how they are going to be measured there are just so many of them. Some modern leaders have been very bad in terms of the financial state they have left their countries in, but like I said the Americn Revolution leaders are up there. I think they are responsible with the inherent hate, not dislike, of increased taxes in the USA.

[Gladia]

Choosing a worst leader, or even a few, is always difficult because once you have decided how they are going to be measured there are just so many of them. Some modern leaders have been very bad in terms of the financial state they have left their countries in, but like I said the Americn Revolution leaders are up there. I think they are responsible with the inherent hate, not dislike, of increased taxes in the USA.

This is incorrect on so many levels.

[Divair]

Worst morally, or worst in terms of accomplishments?

If morally, Hitler or Mao.
If accomplishments, Chamberlain.

[Kirrig]

Choosing a worst leader, or even a few, is always difficult because once you have decided how they are going to be measured there are just so many of them. Some modern leaders have been very bad in terms of the financial state they have left their countries in, but like I said the American Revolution leaders are up there. I think they are responsible with the inherent hate, not dislike, of increased taxes in the USA.

This is incorrect on so many levels.

How so? And perhaps you could enlighten us ast to which parts and which levels while explaining that. If you think that the first half is incorrect than you are wrong. There are so many people who have been morally bad and choosing which one is the worst is difficult, that said you could have a very healthy shortlist. In terms of accomplishments there are so many that chose to do things that weren't really a good idea for who they led or the world on a larger scale. And anyway reaching a final choice is entirely dependent on the person making the decision based on their own values.

Perhaps there is no inherent hatred of tax increases in the US, but it sure a hell appears to be the case. Maybe I should explain why this is a bad thing. The low taxation that Americans have is largely responsible for a debt that isn't going anywhere but up, which if things stay the way they are will destabilise the world's financial markets.

[Solidarity for the people]

Jan Peter Balkenende

[Radiatia]

The Pied Piper.

He lead all those children off the cliff.

I mean honestly, it's like the idiot didn't know where he was going.

Would not vote for him EVER.

[Death Metal]

Okay, I know this has the potential to get a lot of WTF reactions but...

Hitler was an undeniably despicable human being and deserved to be hunted down like a rabid dog, and his prowess as a military strategist is greatly exaggerated (he really had only one tactic).

However... he did manage to turn Germany's economy around during his leadership.

Adolf Hitler as a political leader was, at worst, above average.

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Kim Jong Il would be a legitimate contender for worst leader, as pretty much everyone outside of Pyongyang is dying from starvation.

[Valkmar]

Obama -Our Big Ass Mistake America-

Hardly.

He has succeeded in raising the debt ceiling and barley doing anything with the economy.

[Kirrig]

Okay, I know this has the potential to get a lot of WTF reactions but...

Hitler was an undeniably despicable human being and deserved to be hunted down like a rabid dog, and his prowess as a military strategist is greatly exaggerated (he really had only one tactic).

However... he did manage to turn Germany's economy around during his leadership.

Adolf Hitler as a political leader was, at worst, above average.

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Kim Jong Il would be a legitimate contender for worst leader, as pretty much everyone outside of Pyongyang is dying from starvation.

I mostly agree with what you have to say regarding Hitler, but I have doubts about how sustainable Hitler's economic plan was. Kim Jong Il is certainly in my aforementioned shortlist. Hitler is probably the supreme example of why it is neccessary to explain why he has been included, or not as the case may be. Morally he was one of the worst, but in some other respects he wasn't that bad. (Economy, Generating Popular Support)

[Disserbia]

Pius IX. Quite nearly an accidental anti-christ.

[Death Metal]

Hardly.

He has succeeded in raising the debt ceiling and barley doing anything with the economy.

You do realize that this is not the first time the debt ceiling has been raised, right?

Also, it's hard to do something with the economy as POTUS if nothing comes to your table to sign. Blame congress (on both parties) for that.

[New Bazlantis]

John Adams is by far the worst leader in history.

What makes him so bad? (I know little about US history)

[Anitgrum]

Choosing a worst leader, or even a few, is always difficult because once you have decided how they are going to be measured there are just so many of them. Some modern leaders have been very bad in terms of the financial state they have left their countries in, but like I said the Americn Revolution leaders are up there. I think they are responsible with the inherent hate, not dislike, of increased taxes in the USA.

Seriously of the all leaders in history the people you think are the worst are the founding father? Not the one leader who emptied all the cities in his country, forced them to work in the rice paddies from sun up to midnight, didn’t bother to feed them for days on end, and kill everyone over the age of 65 as well 20% of his counties population because they weren’t needed in this new agrarian paradise. Or that other leader who stared a war that killed fifty million people, leveled hundreds of cities across Eurasia, and resulted in the leader’s counties being split in two for 41 years. Or the other leader whose agricultural disastrous polices caused forty million people to starve to death. Nor did you think of that one Emperor who : declared himself an all-powerful god, required that every Synagogue have a statue of him placed inside so the Jews could worship he, made his horse a high priest and try to appoint him to the senate, nearly bankrupted the empire by splurging most of the money on himself, caused a famine in the capital by replacing the cities shipments of grain with sand, had people executed that he though had better hair than he did. Hell there has been far worse leaders in American history than the founding fathers. Like that one leader who committed ethic cleansing in direct violation a Supreme Court ruling and whose quest to vanquish the Bank of the United States caused a depression that destroyed three hundred banks. Or that other President who was bribed by oil companies to give then vast track of oil rich Federal land for practically nothing. Which eventually resulted in the Secretory of the Interior being convicted of bribery the first time it had happened in the history of the country. While his Attorney General was somehow found innocent despite he admitted to destroying incriminating documents as he put it protect the President, and an aid of his with had evidence against him conveniently committed suicide in the Attorney General home. But obviously the founding fathers are far worse than the leaders mentioned above because they supposed are the reason why Americans get angry if they have to pay higher taxes. Please learn some history before you make statements like that.

[Anitgrum]

This is incorrect on so many levels.

How so? And perhaps you could enlighten us ast to which parts and which levels while explaining that. If you think that the first half is incorrect than you are wrong. There are so many people who have been morally bad and choosing which one is the worst is difficult, that said you could have a very healthy shortlist. In terms of accomplishments there are so many that chose to do things that weren't really a good idea for who they led or the world on a larger scale. And anyway reaching a final choice is entirely dependent on the person making the decision based on their own values.

Perhaps there is no inherent hatred of tax increases in the US, but it sure a hell appears to be the case. Maybe I should explain why this is a bad thing. The low taxation that Americans have is largely responsible for a debt that isn't going anywhere but up, which if things stay the way they are will destabilise the world's financial markets.

No it won't the U.S hasn't been debt free since the late 1830s and yet after all the time its debt hasn't destabilized the global financial market.

[Zairoon]

Ngo Dinh Diem and Ngo Dinh Nhu. Showed great contempt towards the population of their own country and showed huge irresponsibility in their actions.

[Kirrig]

How so? And perhaps you could enlighten us ast to which parts and which levels while explaining that. If you think that the first half is incorrect than you are wrong. There are so many people who have been morally bad and choosing which one is the worst is difficult, that said you could have a very healthy shortlist. In terms of accomplishments there are so many that chose to do things that weren't really a good idea for who they led or the world on a larger scale. And anyway reaching a final choice is entirely dependent on the person making the decision based on their own values.

Perhaps there is no inherent hatred of tax increases in the US, but it sure a hell appears to be the case. Maybe I should explain why this is a bad thing. The low taxation that Americans have is largely responsible for a debt that isn't going anywhere but up, which if things stay the way they are will destabilise the world's financial markets.

No it won't the U.S hasn't been debt free since the late 1830s and yet after all the time its debt hasn't destabilized the global financial market.

It is not the US debt that is threatening to destabilise the global financial markets, although it does sound like that. What I meant is that the US debt level is so huge it has become a concern. The point is if the other factors which are threatening to do that result in unstable global financial markets the US debt will drag the world in far deeper than it has to go. The US level of debt needs to be lower, but this literally a topic for another thread.

[Kirrig]

Choosing a worst leader, or even a few, is always difficult because once you have decided how they are going to be measured there are just so many of them. Some modern leaders have been very bad in terms of the financial state they have left their countries in, but like I said the Americn Revolution leaders are up there. I think they are responsible with the inherent hate, not dislike, of increased taxes in the USA.

Seriously of the all leaders in history the people you think are the worst are the founding father? Not the one leader who emptied all the cities in his country, forced them to work in the rice paddies from sun up to midnight, didn’t bother to feed them for days on end, and kill everyone over the age of 65 as well 20% of his counties population because they weren’t needed in this new agrarian paradise. Or that other leader who stared a war that killed fifty million people, leveled hundreds of cities across Eurasia, and resulted in the leader’s counties being split in two for 41 years. Or the other leader whose agricultural disastrous polices caused forty million people to starve to death. Nor did you think of that one Emperor who : declared himself an all-powerful god, required that every Synagogue have a statue of him placed inside so the Jews could worship he, made his horse a high priest and try to appoint him to the senate, nearly bankrupted the empire by splurging most of the money on himself, caused a famine in the capital by replacing the cities shipments of grain with sand, had people executed that he though had better hair than he did. Hell there has been far worse leaders in American history than the founding fathers. Like that one leader who committed ethic cleansing in direct violation a Supreme Court ruling and whose quest to vanquish the Bank of the United States caused a depression that destroyed three hundred banks. Or that other President who was bribed by oil companies to give then vast track of oil rich Federal land for practically nothing. Which eventually resulted in the Secretory of the Interior being convicted of bribery the first time it had happened in the history of the country. While his Attorney General was somehow found innocent despite he admitted to destroying incriminating documents as he put it protect the President, and an aid of his with had evidence against him conveniently committed suicide in the Attorney General home. But obviously the founding fathers are far worse than the leaders mentioned above because they supposed are the reason why Americans get angry if they have to pay higher taxes. Please learn some history before you make statements like that.

Now, you seem to be quite intelligent and certainly seem to think that you are (at least in comparison to what you seem to think of me) so what I am about to say will be very easy to follow. The leaders of the US Revolution have in the US approached the point where they have become unquestioned. What I have done is make a perfectly reasonable assessment of their status, based on a perceived (and again reasonable) effect of their actions. Those actions have resulted in the hatred of increased taxes which goes a long way to explain why the US has budget deficits which contribute to increasing levels of debt. As the debt gets higher it becomes more of a problem and will eventually lead to a major issues globally.

With regards to your examples you quite clearly seem to think that these leaders are worse. The point is you are comparing world leaders on a different metric and making choices on which are worse using a different values system. An individual's values drive their decision making process.

I must also point out that I never said the leaders of the US Revolution were the worst leaders, I said that they are up there. I have previously explained that I don't think it is possible to decide on any single worse leader, but deciding on a shortlist is possible. The leaders of the US Revolution are, along with Hitler, part of my short list. The main thing to remember is that they are up there for different reasons.

I will also add another leader to my shortlist: Robert Mugabe. While his early days were good for Zimbabwe, and race relations in Zimbabwe, the situation has degenerated. Massive inflation and a reversal in Zimbabwe's fortunes, as well as an almost anti-apartheid racial situation.