Worst leaders in history?

by **Disserbia** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:27 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:My list stands for the worst leaders in history as the thread title states.
No where on there did it state the people had to lead a nation at all.
So that's why I put the people I put.

It stands incomplete.

by **Salo-Milan** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:31 pm

Both Porfirio Diaz and Frasisco I. Madero. Diaz was a brutal Mexican dictator and Madero was the guy who overthrew Diaz and completely reversed every single policy (In a country with 95% Catholics, he started genocide against them. Look it up Cristiada). Ruined my country, both of them

by **The Anti-Cosmic Gods** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:31 pm

Mugabe.

by **Disserbia** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:33 pm

Salo-Milan wrote:Both Porfirio Diaz and Frasisco I. Madero. Diaz was a brutal Mexican dictator and Madero was the guy who overthrew Diaz and completely reversed every single policy (In a country with 95% Catholics, he started genocide against them. Look it up Cristiada). Ruined my country, both of them

Madero was in power for a matter of months...not much can definitively said about him or his policies. That, and the fact that the guys after him were just as bad.

by **Milks Empire** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:35 pm

Salo-Milan wrote:Both Porfirio Diaz and Frasisco I. Madero. Diaz was a brutal Mexican dictator and Madero was the guy who overthrew Diaz and completely reversed every single policy (In a country with 95% Catholics, he started genocide against them. Look it up Cristiada). Ruined my country, both of them

I thought that was Plutarco Elías Calles that was behind the Cristero War.

by **Salo-Milan** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:37 pm

Disserbia wrote:
Salo-Milan wrote:Both Porfirio Diaz and Frasisco I. Madero. Diaz was a brutal Mexican dictator and Madero was the guy who overthrew Diaz and completely reversed every single policy (In a country with 95% Catholics, he started genocide against them. Look it up Cristiada). Ruined my country, both of them

Madero was in power for a matter of months...not much can definitively said about him or his policies. That, and the fact that the guys after him were just as bad.

Completely agree. You know PRI was in power for like 80 years, and only recently a PAN president was elected? The problem was that PRI were corrupt so drugs flowed, but PAN is seriously anti-drug and there is violence everywhere.

by **Disserbia** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:43 pm

Salo-Milan wrote:
Disserbia wrote:Madero was in power for a matter of months...not much can definitively said about him or his policies. That, and the fact that the guys after him were just as bad.

Completely agree. You know PRI was in power for like 80 years, and only recently a PAN president was elected? The problem was that PRI were corrupt so drugs flowed, but PAN is seriously anti-drug and there is violence everywhere.

Yeah didn't the PRI bribe people by giving them machetes or something in exchange for support. Obviously its a good way to stay in power if it works but Mexico could be so much better off.

by **Maeksa** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 3:57 pm

Joseph Stalin. He starved his people, barely paid them, nearly worked them to death, and then drafted them into the military and killed them. Nearly 12,000,000 people happened to lose their lives because of him. Unfortunately, they never found them again, and had no afterlife of any kind, because there's no religion at all in Soviet Russia. After him, I'd say a tie between Franklin D. Roosevelt, and whatever moron in the Weimar Republic decided it's a good idea to pay war debts with money that doesn't exist. I say that because the Weimar Morons printing money started the great depression, and FDR prolonged it. It took a dictator to get rid of these morons, and he had a few bad ideas that overshadowed his many good ones. FDR raised taxes and tariffs during the great depression, lengthening that horrible era. The Founding Fathers fought taxation, and paid with their lives. FDR changed all of that by being an idiot.

by **Gladia** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:56 pm

Maeksa wrote:Joseph Stalin. He starved his people, barely paid them, nearly worked them to death, and then drafted them into the military and killed them. Nearly 12,000,000 people happened to lose their lives because of him. Unfortunately, they never found them again, and had no afterlife of any kind, because there's no religion at all in Soviet Russia. After him, I'd say a tie between Franklin D. Roosevelt, and whatever moron in the Weimar Republic decided it's a good idea to pay war debts with money that doesn't exist. I say that because the Weimar Morons printing money started the great depression, and FDR prolonged it. It took a dictator to get rid of these morons, and he had a few bad ideas that overshadowed his many good ones. FDR raised taxes and tariffs during the great depression, lengthening that horrible era. The Founding Fathers fought taxation, and paid with their lives. FDR changed all of that by being an idiot.

The Revolutionary War was more about the colonies being taxed without representation rather than the taxes themselves.

by **Nervbraiain** » Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:55 pm

Gladia wrote:John Adams is by far the worst leader in history.

Yeah establishing America's Navy was such a ridiculous move, wasn't it?

by **Gig em Aggies** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:10 am

I stand corrected I should put anyone on the list as the worst leaders for ripping at MY list. So buzz off

by **Rio Cana** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:00 pm

People here have posted Stalin and others has worst leaders most likely since they were repressive leaders. Leaders can be very repressive but can move nations forward.

The following was President of Bolivia. This guy should never have been President. He was repressive and did damage to Bolivia. You will not believe the things he did.

Read this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariano_Melgarejo

by **Gladia** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:16 pm

Nervbraiain wrote:
Gladia wrote:John Adams is by far the worst leader in history.

Yeah establishing America's Navy was such a ridiculous move, wasn't it?

Congratulations, you've completely straw manned me.

Maybe it was that he trampled over the Bill of Rights? Maybe because he was indecisive? Maybe it was because of midnight judges?

by **Vetalia** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:22 pm

Gladia wrote:Congratulations, you've completely straw manned me.

Maybe it was that he trampled over the Bill of Rights? Maybe because he was indecisive? Maybe it was because of midnight judges?

Uh, that's not exactly the Killing Fields.

by **Gladia** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:47 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Gladia wrote:Congratulations, you've completely straw manned me.

Maybe it was that he trampled over the Bill of Rights? Maybe because he was indecisive? Maybe it was because of midnight judges?

Uh, that's not exactly the Killing Fields.

No, but he's still a poor leader.

by **Mushrenia** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:49 pm

Every Rearguard Admiral in History.

Get it?

by **Blue ocean waves** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:53 pm

kim jong ill
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by **Upper Crystaldom** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:55 pm

the huegonot king Henry IV of France...kind of a tool

by **Matts Empire** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:59 pm

I really dont think The U.S. Presidents haven't done really bad things sure some of them had really bad economies. If there was 1 I would say Andrew Jackson, The Trials of Tears all his fault Thousands of Native Americans died because of him. In the history of the world I would say Hitler Hussein and Pol Pot. Hitler killed at least 6 million some say the Holocaust death total is doubled that. Saddam he killed his own people. Pol Pot is probably the craziest person out of all of them. At least Hitler had a motive, and Hussein did not have a father his entire life and his mom tried to kill him in the womb, Pol Pot wanted to kill everyone who knew anything about the past.

by **Milks Empire** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:01 pm

Upper Crystaldom wrote:the huegonot king Henry IV of France...kind of a tool

Explain.

by **Matts Empire** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:02 pm

And another note to Hitler he also caused the deaths of 58 million because he started WWII

by **Matts Empire** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:03 pm

Gladia wrote:
Nervbraiain wrote:
Yeah establishing America's Navy was such a ridiculous move, wasn't it?

Congratulations, you've completely straw manned me.

Maybe it was that he trampled over the Bill of Rights? Maybe because he was indecisive? Maybe it was because of midnight judges?

He wanted the Bill of Rights added to the Constitution

by **Gladia** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:37 pm

Matts Empire wrote:
Gladia wrote:

Congratulations, you've completely straw manned me.

Maybe it was that he trampled over the Bill of Rights? Maybe because he was indecisive? Maybe it was because of midnight judges?

He wanted the Bill of Rights added to the Constitution

John Adams was a Federalist. It was the Anti-Federalist who wanted a Bill of Rights added.

Let's say Adams did want the Bill of Rights added. I guess it didn't mean much, seeing as he ignored it once he got into office.

by **Archnar** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:54 pm

Hitler
He nearly conqured all of Europe and Asia. He killed and tortured jews with his racist ideas. He destroyed all dissent and ruled with an Iron fist. He started a war that killed millions. He was evil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **Geniasis** » Fri Dec 23, 2011 5:17 pm

Gig em Aggies wrote:I stand corrected I should put anyone on the list as the worst leaders for ripping at MY list. So buzz off

I'm not much of a leader, really. I don't think it would make a great deal of sense for my name to be on this list.

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