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Postby Hedmark » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:51 am

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Yeeros wrote:This year, nearly all of the famous dictators that I could think of have died.
1.Osama Bin Laden (May)
2. Muammar Gaddafi (October)
3.Kim Jong-Il (Today)

Can someone tell me that there's still more living today.

1. Is not a dictator.
2. Yep.
3. Wasn't it actually like two days ago or something? Needs to double check.

Robert Mugabe is still kicking it, Bashar Al-Assad is still tearing ass in Syria, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Ali Khamenei are still holding down Iran pretty well, that dumbass Yukashenko is still hanging around....anyone else?

Oh yea. Motherfucking FIDEL CASTRO is still alive.

EDIT:Throw Hugo Chavez on that list too. Hu Jintao sort of.
SO, yea, 2011 not so bad.


Do you mean Alexander Lukashenko? Technically he isn't a dictator, he is a President...

But I consider him a dictator, honestly what kind of president stays in power for 15+ years?

Samething happened in Egypt, I think... Not sure about their politics.
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Postby Episarta » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:53 am

But really, getting serious now, none of those guys are dead.

1. Osama? That was really just an old lady with a beard.
2. Gadaffi? An old lesbian, in a beaver costume.
4. Kim Jong Il? An old lesbian...in a beaver costume.

I say this proves one thing, and one thing alone. The old lesbians of the world have united forces with the beavers. Although, is that really a surprise to anyone?

Now you could argue that Osama was not actually a lesbian, but look at all the wives she had. And the beard? While not being a direct example of beaver, it still looks rather suspicious and hairy...like a beaver. Maybe that's where she kept her beaver children?

The real people that the old beaver lesbians were duplicating are actually hiding in the middle of Lake Victoria. In the Lair of Evil. Plotting world domination and where to procure new flanel shirts.
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Postby Kulverint » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:58 am

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Yeeros wrote:This year, nearly all of the famous dictators that I could think of have died.
1.Osama Bin Laden (May)
2. Muammar Gaddafi (October)
3.Kim Jong-Il (Today)

Can someone tell me that there's still more living today.

1. Is not a dictator.
2. Yep.
3. Wasn't it actually like two days ago or something? Needs to double check.

Robert Mugabe is still kicking it, Bashar Al-Assad is still tearing ass in Syria, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Ali Khamenei are still holding down Iran pretty well, that dumbass Yukashenko is still hanging around....anyone else?

Oh yea. Motherfucking FIDEL CASTRO is still alive.

EDIT:Throw Hugo Chavez on that list too. Hu Jintao sort of.
SO, yea, 2011 not so bad.

Castro has popular support in Cuba, and has made it a much better place for Cubans than it was before. The only people who are worse off thanks to Cuba are the USA, and that was really their fault, because of the bay of pigs.

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Postby Hedmark » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:59 am

Kulverint wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:1. Is not a dictator.
2. Yep.
3. Wasn't it actually like two days ago or something? Needs to double check.

Robert Mugabe is still kicking it, Bashar Al-Assad is still tearing ass in Syria, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Ali Khamenei are still holding down Iran pretty well, that dumbass Yukashenko is still hanging around....anyone else?

Oh yea. Motherfucking FIDEL CASTRO is still alive.

EDIT:Throw Hugo Chavez on that list too. Hu Jintao sort of.
SO, yea, 2011 not so bad.

Castro has popular support in Cuba, and has made it a much better place for Cubans than it was before. The only people who are worse off thanks to Cuba are the USA, and that was really their fault, because of the bay of pigs.


US-Cuban Relations were already strained before the Bay of Pigs Invasion. The embargo was still standing before it, or I think they were.
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3. Peace time, intelligence, security and military readiness are at a level as if it is war time.
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1. War, Weapons of Mass Destruction are being used.
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Postby Daistallia 2104 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:59 am

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He just did. Fidel is apparently a dictator but Kim Jong-il wasn't.

I know. I facepalmed massively as well.


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Postby Costa Fiero » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:01 am

Kulverint wrote:Castro has popular support in Cuba, and has made it a much better place for Cubans than it was before. The only people who are worse off thanks to Cuba are the USA, and that was really their fault, because of the bay of pigs.


Hmm. Many people would disagree with the majority of that. It was alright under Soviet support but like North Korea, it's standards of living fell sharply after the Soviet Union disbanded. Cuba is now a very poor country. So I doubt the place is what you would call "much better".

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Postby Reichsadler » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:07 am

Death of the villains. Or heroes? Whatever they were, they are already have became the part of history.
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Postby AETEN II » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:08 am

More like 2011- The year civilians got balls so damn big they couldn't put on pants.
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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:10 am

Kulverint wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:1. Is not a dictator.
2. Yep.
3. Wasn't it actually like two days ago or something? Needs to double check.

Robert Mugabe is still kicking it, Bashar Al-Assad is still tearing ass in Syria, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Ali Khamenei are still holding down Iran pretty well, that dumbass Yukashenko is still hanging around....anyone else?

Oh yea. Motherfucking FIDEL CASTRO is still alive.

EDIT:Throw Hugo Chavez on that list too. Hu Jintao sort of.
SO, yea, 2011 not so bad.

Castro has popular support in Cuba, and has made it a much better place for Cubans than it was before. The only people who are worse off thanks to Cuba are the USA, and that was really their fault, because of the bay of pigs.

Not the point.

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Postby The Icemark » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:20 am

The leader of Belearus is still alive and kicking - forgotten his name

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Postby Hedmark » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:22 am

The Icemark wrote:The leader of Belearus is still alive and kicking - forgotten his name


Alexander Lukashenko, honestly I think he's the worse one. Then again he's the only one I have actually researched. But technically he's a president, not a dictator.
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5. Peace time, normal readiness.
4. Peace time, increased intelligence, security measures and military readiness. Possibly a Cold War.
3. Peace time, intelligence, security and military readiness are at a level as if it is war time.
2. War, it has been declared or is being declared.
1. War, Weapons of Mass Destruction are being used.
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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:24 am

Hedmark wrote:
The Icemark wrote:The leader of Belearus is still alive and kicking - forgotten his name


Alexander Lukashenko, honestly I think he's the worse one. Then again he's the only one I have actually researched. But technically he's a president, not a dictator.

...Doesn't he maintain unilateral authority in Belarus?

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Postby Zottistan » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:27 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38YWB8iX ... re=related

^This is my opinion of dictators in general.
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Postby Great Malema » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:32 am

Is that crazy guy from Turkmenistan who banned gold teeth and told his people to chew on bones to strengthen their teeth still with us?
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Postby Jakaragua » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:35 am

Great Malema wrote:Is that crazy guy from Turkmenistan who banned gold teeth and told his people to chew on bones to strengthen their teeth still with us?

Nah, he's kicked off.
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Postby Great Malema » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:37 am

Jakaragua wrote:
Great Malema wrote:Is that crazy guy from Turkmenistan who banned gold teeth and told his people to chew on bones to strengthen their teeth still with us?

Nah, he's kicked off.


What a shame. He was one of the most underrated dictators and he way more eccentric than Kim Jong Il or Gaddafi.

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Postby Meowfoundland » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:41 am

Great Malema wrote:
Jakaragua wrote:Nah, he's kicked off.


What a shame. He was one of the most underrated dictators and he way more eccentric than Kim Jong Il or Gaddafi.


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Postby Jakaragua » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:42 am

Great Malema wrote:
Jakaragua wrote:Nah, he's kicked off.


What a shame. He was one of the most underrated dictators and he way more eccentric than Kim Jong Il or Gaddafi.

Indeed, his only fall was being the leader of a whatitsname-istan
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Postby Araucania and Patagonia » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:42 am

Great Malema wrote:
Jakaragua wrote:Nah, he's kicked off.


What a shame. He was one of the most underrated dictators and he way more eccentric than Kim Jong Il or Gaddafi.

Where are Nguema, Bokassa and Pol Pot when you need them ?
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Postby Hedmark » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:44 am

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Hedmark wrote:
Alexander Lukashenko, honestly I think he's the worse one. Then again he's the only one I have actually researched. But technically he's a president, not a dictator.

...Doesn't he maintain unilateral authority in Belarus?


Technically no. Unofficially probably yes.

We have to consider, he served over 2x over the term limit. During his second term though, he eliminated term limits.

In the 2006 Presidential Campaign, he admitted to voting fraud, against himself. I call BS, because who does that?

In the 2010 Presidential Campaign, two opposing candidates happen to be seriously beaten by police. He also authorized violent crackdowns against opposing candidate's supporters.

He is also accused of saying anti-semitic phrases.

Also despite being apparently hated, he always gets at least 80% majority vote for each election and is accused of massive voting fraud. And not surprisingly they have great relations with Russia, Ukraine and Georgia, which is also accused of voting fraud (Except Ukraine and Georgia, they passed that after the Orange and Rose Revolution respectively, but these events were recent.).
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5. Peace time, normal readiness.
4. Peace time, increased intelligence, security measures and military readiness. Possibly a Cold War.
3. Peace time, intelligence, security and military readiness are at a level as if it is war time.
2. War, it has been declared or is being declared.
1. War, Weapons of Mass Destruction are being used.
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Postby Great Malema » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:46 am

The Murtunian Tribes wrote:
Yeeros wrote:This year, nearly all of the famous dictators that I could think of have died.
1.Osama Bin Laden (May)
2. Muammar Gaddafi (October)
3.Kim Jong-Il (Today)

Can someone tell me that there's still more living today.

1. Is not a dictator.
2. Yep.
3. Wasn't it actually like two days ago or something? Needs to double check.

Robert Mugabe is still kicking it, Bashar Al-Assad is still tearing ass in Syria, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Ali Khamenei are still holding down Iran pretty well, that dumbass Yukashenko is still hanging around....anyone else?

Oh yea. Motherfucking FIDEL CASTRO is still alive.

EDIT:Throw Hugo Chavez on that list too. Hu Jintao sort of.
SO, yea, 2011 not so bad.


Nursultan Nazarbayev, Islom Karimov, Thein Sein, Abdelziz Bouteflika, Hamid Karazi and some others who I have forgotten are still kicking.

So yeah, the world still has plenty of dictators to go around.

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Postby The Murtunian Tribes » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:47 am

Hedmark wrote:
The Murtunian Tribes wrote:...Doesn't he maintain unilateral authority in Belarus?


Technically no. Unofficially probably yes.

We have to consider, he served over 2x over the term limit. During his second term though, he eliminated term limits.

In the 2006 Presidential Campaign, he admitted to voting fraud, against himself. I call BS, because who does that?

In the 2010 Presidential Campaign, two opposing candidates happen to be seriously beaten by police. He also authorized violent crackdowns against opposing candidate's supporters.

He is also accused of saying anti-semitic phrases.

Also despite being apparently hated, he always gets at least 80% majority vote for each election and is accused of massive voting fraud. And not surprisingly they have great relations with Russia, Ukraine and Georgia, which is also accused of voting fraud (Except Ukraine and Georgia, they passed that after the Orange and Rose Revolution respectively, but these events were recent.).

Sooooo...dictator.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:56 am

Costa Fiero wrote:Besides, you forgot lunatics like Hugo Chavez and that guy in Equatorial Guinea that eats testicles.


Chavez is certainly a flawed individual, but he is neither a lunatic nor a dictator. While the current political system in Venezuela is neither perfectly free nor perfectly fair, it's freer and fairer than, say, Putin's Russia.

I was in Venezuela in the run-up to the last legislative elections, and can personally verify that there's a vibrant and highly visible opposition. It's true the opposition doesn't have fair access to broadcast media (though pro-opposition print media maintain a high visibility), and it's true that Chavez has gerrymandered the legislature so that the PSUV can win 57% of the seats on only 48.3% of the vote, and it's true that Chavez has a habit of changing the rules so that when his supporters lose a vote he often finds a way of removing at least some powers from the winners. Nonetheless that opposition operates visibly, wins elections at both the local and state level, and in the last legislative election finished only 1% behind Chavez's PSUV; while even neutral polls suggest that Chavez and the PSUV maintain broad - if no longer necessarily majority - support. That's less a dictatorship than a flawed democracy.

As to Chavez's sanity, I confess that several of my Venezuelan colleagues believe him to be somewhat unbalanced; but even my anti-Chavista friends concede that he's both cunning and adept at speaking the language of the dispossessed. My own experience suggests that he's a skillful populist leftwing demagogue who genuinely believes in the value of broadening accessibility to social programmes, but whose understanding of both economic issues and the importance of infrastructure maintenance has been found seriously wanting; as has his commitment to a genuinely free and open media. But I'm not sure that makes him a 'dictator'.


Closing with Equatorial Guinea, do you have any reputable source for Teodoro Obiang's alleged consumption of testicles? He's certainly a violent, oppressive dictator who has been increasingly fostering a cult of personality, but testicle consumption? Obiang is a nasty piece of work, among the most oppressive dictators on the planet, but believe it or not he's not a patch on his uncle Macias Nguema, the "Unique Miracle" and "Grand Master of Education, Science, and Culture" (whom Obiang helped depose in a military coup), whose insane genocidal regime exceeded those of Idi Amin or Emperor Bokassa for violence, and who probably better stands comparison to Pol Pot. Macias Nguema managed to kill or exile a third of his country's population.

Yes, Equatorial Guinea's had a rough few decades since independence, but whether Teodoro Obiang counts as a 'lunatic' is an open question; he certainly seems far saner than his uncle (which admittedly sets a low standard), and I can find no reputable source (as opposed to tabloid newspapers carrying reports from anonymous 'opponents') that backs the testicle claim.

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Postby The Archregimancy » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:04 am

Jakaragua wrote:
Great Malema wrote:Is that crazy guy from Turkmenistan who banned gold teeth and told his people to chew on bones to strengthen their teeth still with us?

Nah, he's kicked off.


Fortunately, the Turkmenbashi's successor Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow has been keeping up the very high standards of eccentric insanity set by his predecessor.

It's true that he's been fazing out some of Niyazov's wackier ideas based on the Turkmenbashi's Book of the Soul - but only to replace them with his own cult of personality based on his own 'Era of Great Revival'.

The Freedom House report on Turkmenistan makes for instructive reading: http://www.freedomhouse.org/images/File ... nistan.pdf

Also, "Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow" is just a fantastic name for a dictator.
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Postby West Failure » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:09 am

The Archregimancy wrote:Also, "Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedow" is just a fantastic name for a dictator.


It conjures up images of boy scouts singing in a rustic setting.
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