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Kheil HaAvir
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Postby Kheil HaAvir » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:10 pm

kids are evil little b@stards and i sleep with a poster above my bed that says

"In My World You Would be Punished if You.....

Text when i am talking to you,
Support a football team from a city you have never lived in,
Insist that just because you were dumb enough to have kids everyone should try it,
Consider shopping to be a family outing,"

And other various things.
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Postby New East Ireland » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:11 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
New East Ireland wrote:I absolutely do, although it'll be a while before it happens.

NEI, I'm pregnant, and you're the father.

Don't tell my gf.

Don't worry, she's my daughter. Oh, and you're my great grandfather. It'll be fine. We'll just be one big, happy family.

Until Christmas is over, that is. Then we'll hate each other.
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Postby Keronians » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:14 pm

I'd like to have kids in the future. Of course, given the fact that I'm still in school, the plan's going to change a lot, but currently, I'd quite like to have some 2-3 kids after I've done a Master's and have a stable job.

Why? Well, because I cherish the idea of being someone's father, of watching a kid grow up, of raising one, teaching him (or her), listening to him, play with him, and, of course, as all fathers must, bend to their demands of toys and what not.

Why another? Well, for starters, to do it all over again, and, also, to watch my elder son / daughter interact and grow up alongside the younger one.

Also, this (irrational) desire I have to have at least 2 children so that when I die I've at least maintained the population, and passed on my genes.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:15 pm

Keronians wrote:I'd like to have kids in the future. Of course, given the fact that I'm still in school, the plan's going to change a lot, but currently, I'd quite like to have some 2-3 kids after I've done a Master's and have a stable job.

Why? Well, because I cherish the idea of being someone's father, of watching a kid grow up, of raising one, teaching him (or her), listening to him, play with him, and, of course, as all fathers must, bend to their demands of toys and what not.

Why another? Well, for starters, to do it all over again, and, also, to watch my elder son / daughter interact and grow up alongside the younger one.

Also, this (irrational) desire I have to have at least 2 children so that when I die I've at least maintained the population, and passed on my genes.

And because Indians always have 2+ kids.
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Postby Keronians » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:18 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Keronians wrote:I'd like to have kids in the future. Of course, given the fact that I'm still in school, the plan's going to change a lot, but currently, I'd quite like to have some 2-3 kids after I've done a Master's and have a stable job.

Why? Well, because I cherish the idea of being someone's father, of watching a kid grow up, of raising one, teaching him (or her), listening to him, play with him, and, of course, as all fathers must, bend to their demands of toys and what not.

Why another? Well, for starters, to do it all over again, and, also, to watch my elder son / daughter interact and grow up alongside the younger one.

Also, this (irrational) desire I have to have at least 2 children so that when I die I've at least maintained the population, and passed on my genes.

And because Indians always have 2+ kids.


Strangely enough, most Indians I know, that's true.

My family has a huge sibling gap.

I was the youngest on my father's side of the family for a long time, but then suddenly all of them started having kids (including my parents), and now I'm seven years older than the eldest of the younger siblings, and nine years older than the youngest of the younger ones.

Funnily enough, I'm the eldest on my mother's side of the family.
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Postby Ashmoria » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:19 pm

as a parent, i think that anyone who wants children should go ahead and have children. i woudlnt recommend going past 2 but thats your business.

if you dont want children there is nothing so great about parenthood that you should force yourself to have kids on the assumption that it will all work out OK in the end. 2 of my 6 siblings ended up with no children and have so far lived a happy life without them.
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Postby Saint Jade IV » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:20 pm

I want a kid one day. But at 28, with only one relationship and no likely one on the horizon, its dreadfully unlikely.

I often think I missed the boat on the whole relationship thing.

I thought I was doing all the right things, waiting til I was settled in my career and my job before getting involved with someone. And now it's like noone wants to be involved with me.

I'm just not relationship material.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:22 pm

Keronians wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:And because Indians always have 2+ kids.


Strangely enough, most Indians I know, that's true.

My family has a huge sibling gap.

I was the youngest on my father's side of the family for a long time, but then suddenly all of them started having kids (including my parents), and now I'm seven years older than the eldest of the younger siblings, and nine years older than the youngest of the younger ones.

Funnily enough, I'm the eldest on my mother's side of the family.

I'm the eldest person in the current generation of my family.
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Postby Keronians » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:24 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Keronians wrote:
Strangely enough, most Indians I know, that's true.

My family has a huge sibling gap.

I was the youngest on my father's side of the family for a long time, but then suddenly all of them started having kids (including my parents), and now I'm seven years older than the eldest of the younger siblings, and nine years older than the youngest of the younger ones.

Funnily enough, I'm the eldest on my mother's side of the family.

I'm the eldest person in the current generation of my family.


Eh, it doesn't really matter.

I get all the inheritance anyway, since my father's the eldest in his generation. :p

Yes, I was joking.
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Postby Mike the Progressive » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:25 pm

New East Ireland wrote:
Nightkill the Emperor wrote:NEI, I'm pregnant, and you're the father.

Don't tell my gf.

Don't worry, she's my daughter. Oh, and you're my great grandfather. It'll be fine. We'll just be one big, happy family.

Until Christmas is over, that is. Then we'll hate each other.


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Postby Maineiacs » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:32 pm

I have a 10 year old daughter, but I don't get to see her. My ex won't let me and since I'm not the biological father, I basically have no rights. Even if I could fight it, I don't have the means to do so.
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Postby Ravenvalles » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:34 pm

As the parent of one, I would have to say that it can be the most rewarding, and humiliating thing one can do, but it all depends on what one puts into it. If one does not want to be a parent, do not do it. They will not get much out of it, and neither will their child.
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Postby King Koopa I » Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:39 pm

I had a child in order to keep my family tree growing and to raise my children with the religious values I wish I would have had growing up so that hopefully, maybe the trend will stick and be carried on until the last day. All I can say is that it's amazing how much you change when you bring a life into this world and it's not all about you and your hide anymore.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:29 pm

I would love to have kids because I think they'd be awesome people and it would be a lot of fun to pass on all my family traditions and so forth. Basically, my family is cool and I want it to continue. And it'd be really cool if I could bring happiness into someone's life the way my dad did for me.
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Postby Erinkita » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:51 pm

I would love to have children. Children in general are just awesome and having my own would be fantastic, but I think there's also an element of balancing the cosmic chequebook. I'd adopt, partly for practical reasons and partly to provide the stable home I never had to a child in need of one. I'm not sure if wanting to give someone else the childhood I wish I had is the healthiest reason for wanting to be a parent, but there you are.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:55 pm

Have a little girl.

Don't regret any of it......
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Postby Desperate Measures » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:12 pm

I got one little woman that is almost 4. Not planning on others. She's crazy. And perfect. I would never have been ready for kids but she happened somehow. I'm foggy on the details. I remember nudity was involved at one point and then lots of buying of things and doctor offices and then a vaguely human looking globular being appeared.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:30 pm

Stargate once had a conversation on this:

Colonel Dave Dixon: Yeah, all-night screaming, projectile vomiting, nuclear diapers... you have no idea. The reason they make them so damn cute is so you don't suffocate 'em in their sleep.
Senior Airman Simon Wells: Sir, you have *four* kids.
Colonel Dave Dixon: Yeah, why do you think I enjoy my job so much? Don't get me wrong, I love the little buggers to death, but trust me, havin' four kids makes going through a Stargate and facin' off against alien bad guys look like nothin'. This is relaxing.
Senior Airman Simon Wells: Then why'd you have four?
Colonel Dave Dixon: Well, one's pretty bad, but you figure you gotta have two so the little guy can have a brother or sister, right? Then you have two boys, and the wife says she want a girl so you figure "Hell, three can't be much worse than two", right? What you don't realize is your brain is fried 'cause you haven't slept. After three, four is no big deal. You're so deep in it, nothin' seems to matter any more. It's chaos. You're just tryin' to make it through each day alive. In the end you spend all the energy you have left tryin' to get 'em into bed only to lie awake prayin' they don't get hooked on drugs, hurt, or worse... wind up dead in an alley somewhere.
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Postby Natapoc » Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:42 pm

The world is overpopulated, If I ever decide to have children I'd probably adopt instead of adding to the problem by creating more children. I'm not sterilized but I do use contraception to ensure no babies happen.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:27 am

Natapoc wrote:The world is overpopulated, If I ever decide to have children I'd probably adopt instead of adding to the problem by creating more children. I'm not sterilized but I do use contraception to ensure no babies happen.

I'd like to do that if I ever have enough money to. I'd like to adopt a child disadvantaged in some way or otherwise unlikely to be adopted.
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Postby Natapoc » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:07 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Natapoc wrote:The world is overpopulated, If I ever decide to have children I'd probably adopt instead of adding to the problem by creating more children. I'm not sterilized but I do use contraception to ensure no babies happen.

I'd like to do that if I ever have enough money to. I'd like to adopt a child disadvantaged in some way or otherwise unlikely to be adopted.


There are so many unwanted children who need loving homes. It really makes sense to adopt if you have the resources to do it.
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Postby Erinkita » Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:28 am

Natapoc wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:I'd like to do that if I ever have enough money to. I'd like to adopt a child disadvantaged in some way or otherwise unlikely to be adopted.


There are so many unwanted children who need loving homes. It really makes sense to adopt if you have the resources to do it.

I can personally attest to that.

Acquiring the resources to adopt is a major goal for me. I don't really understand the price tag, though. Perhaps there wouldn't be so many unwanted children if adoption wasn't prohibitively expensive.
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Postby Pendragonia » Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:51 am

Unilisia wrote:Been thinking about it a lot lately. Just had my rights summarily revoked by fate and I'm wondering if anyone else would even want to think of having a child after what I just went through. But this isn't about me or my fucked up reality.

Why would any of you have kids ? Would any of you have children at all ? Do you have a specific reason for having children/wanting to have children in the future ? Or would you rather have no children whatsoever and let everyone else bare the brunt of continuing the human species ?


As a male, I feel that I have little, if any, say in whether I have children or not. It is biological fact that my contribution and subsequent commitment to the process is practically little more than donation of genetic material, economic and societal need for a (largely) monogamous bond notwithstanding. With that in mind, the female, who must carry the fetus to term, has the ultimate say in the matter: Her contribution and commitment is indisputably superior and categorically trumps any say I might have in the matter.

In short, my reasons are less relevant than my hypothetical partner's reasons.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:19 am

Nature-Spirits wrote:I'm never having kids. They suck. And yes, I do realise that I am a kid myself. I'm a pain to my parents. Not that I try to be. I just... am. And I don't want my life to be filled with that much stress.


You don't necessarily have to be a "pain" to your parents. You could even help them out on a regular basis or otherwise have a more harmonious relationship with them if you wanted, provided they aren't abusive.

As for myself, I'd like anywhere from 3, 5, or 7+ children. But will likely stop at whichever I can afford.
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Postby Gallade » Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:05 am

I'm currently a surrogate for a gay couple i'm very good friends with. Well, I will be, we're on the third try to get me knocked up, to put it bluntly. Still unsure whether or not I want to have kids for myself and if I do, it will probably only be one or two.
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