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Cilistia Novaren
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Postby Cilistia Novaren » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:44 pm

Crispicaea wrote:
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
1a. By this logic, scratching an itch on your ass is a waste of potential life. Cloning isn't that far away. Given cloning technology, every skin cell is a "potential life." Every time you scratch your ass you're committing a holocaust of "potential lives."

1b. How exactly would you go about banning masturbation? How would you enforce such a stupid waste of money and police resources?

2. You're more anti-sex than I am because while I'm against masturbation, I'm not stupid enough to actually think that banning it is a plausible scenario. In addition, I'm not in favor of banning things just because I personally don't like them.


1a. Cloning is immoral.

1b. I wouldn't, it just ought not to happen. It can't be enforced, therefore it's a pointless law. Doesn't change morality.

2. See 1b.


According to whose morals? In my own opinion, the government should not be dealing in morals, it just makes a mess of everything.

You said previously masturbation it should be banned.
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Postby Bluth Corporation » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:45 pm

Kalaspia-Shimarata wrote:
Third Mexican Empire wrote:Implying we're all Americans

I'm not implying you're all Americans, no, in fact I'm Australian. It is obvious the OP is American from the things he/she is writing


The one person IRL I know who holds those beliefs is a Finn.
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Third Mexican Empire
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Postby Third Mexican Empire » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:46 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Buildings aren't living. Therefore they don't matter.


Potential life isn't living either.

But it has the potential to
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Four-sided Triangles
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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:46 pm

Crispicaea wrote:1a. Cloning is immoral.

1b. I wouldn't, it just ought not to happen. It can't be enforced, therefore it's a pointless law. Doesn't change morality.

2. See 1b.


1a. It doesn't change the fact that your skin cells are potential human beings. Either killing potential life is wrong or it isn't.

Jesus, can you stop moving the goalposts with your special pleading nonsense already? Every time we point out a strange consequence of your logic, you invent a new special exception to the rules to try and get out of problems.

1b. Then you answered the question incorrectly.
This is why gay marriage will destroy American families.
Gays are made up of gaytrinos and they interact via faggons, which are massless spin 2 particles. They're massless because gays care so much about their weight, and have spin 2, cause that's as much spin as particles can get, and liberals love spin. The exchange of spin 2 particles creates an attractive force between objects, which is why gays are so promiscuous. When gays get "settle down" into a lower energy state by marrying, they release faggon particles in the form of gaydiation. Everyone is a little bit gay, so every human body has some gaytrinos in it, meaning that the gaydiation could cause straight people to be attracted to gays and choose to turn gay.

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Postby Norstal » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:47 pm

Third Mexican Empire wrote:But it has the potential to

Just like every atom that has ever existed in the history of the universe.
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Four-sided Triangles
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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:48 pm

Third Mexican Empire wrote:But it has the potential to


So what? The dead food on your plate has the potential to become living if you eat it and incorporate its matter into your own body. Indeed, you're made entirely out of the food you've eaten over your lifetime. Is food a person too?
This is why gay marriage will destroy American families.
Gays are made up of gaytrinos and they interact via faggons, which are massless spin 2 particles. They're massless because gays care so much about their weight, and have spin 2, cause that's as much spin as particles can get, and liberals love spin. The exchange of spin 2 particles creates an attractive force between objects, which is why gays are so promiscuous. When gays get "settle down" into a lower energy state by marrying, they release faggon particles in the form of gaydiation. Everyone is a little bit gay, so every human body has some gaytrinos in it, meaning that the gaydiation could cause straight people to be attracted to gays and choose to turn gay.

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Postby Wiztopia » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:48 pm

Crispicaea wrote:1. It is a waste of potential life, just like abortion.
2. How so?

Mexico already posted it.


Haha. You just totally killed your own argument. Sperm dies on its own then regenerates. So regardless if somebody masturbates or not they are killing sperm by just existing.

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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:49 pm

Potential matters only for life because I say so. Potential life only matters when I say it does.
This is why gay marriage will destroy American families.
Gays are made up of gaytrinos and they interact via faggons, which are massless spin 2 particles. They're massless because gays care so much about their weight, and have spin 2, cause that's as much spin as particles can get, and liberals love spin. The exchange of spin 2 particles creates an attractive force between objects, which is why gays are so promiscuous. When gays get "settle down" into a lower energy state by marrying, they release faggon particles in the form of gaydiation. Everyone is a little bit gay, so every human body has some gaytrinos in it, meaning that the gaydiation could cause straight people to be attracted to gays and choose to turn gay.

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Third Mexican Empire
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Postby Third Mexican Empire » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:50 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:Potential matters only for life because I say so. Potential life only matters when I say it does.

You must not care for life

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Postby Norstal » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:52 pm

Third Mexican Empire wrote:You must not care for life

Hmmm, I don't remember him saying "I don't care for life" nor any derivatives of.

IS there some special goggles you might be wearing to see those words in his post?
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Postby Third Mexican Empire » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:53 pm

Norstal wrote:
Third Mexican Empire wrote:You must not care for life

Hmmm, I don't remember him saying "I don't care for life" nor any derivatives of.

IS there some special goggles you might be wearing to see those words in his post?

No, just my eyes

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Four-sided Triangles
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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:57 pm

Third Mexican Empire wrote:You must not care for life


Or I care for actual life.

Tell me, are you a vegetarian? A vegan? A pacifist? Opposed to the death penalty?
This is why gay marriage will destroy American families.
Gays are made up of gaytrinos and they interact via faggons, which are massless spin 2 particles. They're massless because gays care so much about their weight, and have spin 2, cause that's as much spin as particles can get, and liberals love spin. The exchange of spin 2 particles creates an attractive force between objects, which is why gays are so promiscuous. When gays get "settle down" into a lower energy state by marrying, they release faggon particles in the form of gaydiation. Everyone is a little bit gay, so every human body has some gaytrinos in it, meaning that the gaydiation could cause straight people to be attracted to gays and choose to turn gay.

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Postby Norstal » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:58 pm

Third Mexican Empire wrote:
Norstal wrote:Hmmm, I don't remember him saying "I don't care for life" nor any derivatives of.

IS there some special goggles you might be wearing to see those words in his post?

No, just my eyes

Oh, well, I actually do recommend some special googles to read. They're called reading glasses you see. Here, I'll help you.

Four-sided Triangles wrote:Potential life only matters when I say it does.


Or perhaps it's English you're having trouble with? Alright then.

po·ten·tial/pəˈtenCHəl/
Adjective:
Having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future.
Noun:
Latent qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success or usefulness.


Hmmm, if something is going to develop into something in the future, chances are it's not currently that something in the present, is it? "Potential water bottles" are not water bottles. "Potential life" is...not life.
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Postby Third Mexican Empire » Sun Dec 25, 2011 8:58 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Third Mexican Empire wrote:You must not care for life


Or I care for actual life.

Tell me, are you a vegetarian? A vegan? A pacifist? Opposed to the death penalty?

Opposed to the death penalty

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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:00 pm

Third Mexican Empire wrote:Opposed to the death penalty


At least you're more consistent than most so-called "pro-lifers."
This is why gay marriage will destroy American families.
Gays are made up of gaytrinos and they interact via faggons, which are massless spin 2 particles. They're massless because gays care so much about their weight, and have spin 2, cause that's as much spin as particles can get, and liberals love spin. The exchange of spin 2 particles creates an attractive force between objects, which is why gays are so promiscuous. When gays get "settle down" into a lower energy state by marrying, they release faggon particles in the form of gaydiation. Everyone is a little bit gay, so every human body has some gaytrinos in it, meaning that the gaydiation could cause straight people to be attracted to gays and choose to turn gay.

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Postby Third Mexican Empire » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:00 pm

Norstal wrote:
Third Mexican Empire wrote:No, just my eyes

Oh, well, I actually do recommend some special googles to read. They're called reading glasses you see. Here, I'll help you.

Four-sided Triangles wrote:Potential life only matters when I say it does.


Or perhaps it's English you're having trouble with? Alright then.

po·ten·tial/pəˈtenCHəl/
Adjective:
Having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future.
Noun:
Latent qualities or abilities that may be developed and lead to future success or usefulness.


Hmmm, if something is going to develop into something in the future, chances are it's not currently that something in the present, is it? "Potential water bottles" are not water bottles. "Potential life" is...not life.

Maybe you don't know what life is, but it should not in any way be compared to plastic

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Postby Third Mexican Empire » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:01 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Third Mexican Empire wrote:Opposed to the death penalty


At least you're more consistent than most so-called "pro-lifers."

I'm not a conservative, but I can't stomach abortion

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Postby Norstal » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:02 pm

Third Mexican Empire wrote:
Norstal wrote:Oh, well, I actually do recommend some special googles to read. They're called reading glasses you see. Here, I'll help you.



Or perhaps it's English you're having trouble with? Alright then.



Hmmm, if something is going to develop into something in the future, chances are it's not currently that something in the present, is it? "Potential water bottles" are not water bottles. "Potential life" is...not life.

Maybe you don't know what life is, but it should not in any way be compared to plastic

Oh wow, you really do have comprehension problems.

Where did I compared life to plastic? A potential [insert noun here] is [insert noun here]. So, I'm comparing life to [insert noun here]?
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Third Mexican Empire
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Postby Third Mexican Empire » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:08 pm

Norstal wrote:
Third Mexican Empire wrote:Maybe you don't know what life is, but it should not in any way be compared to plastic

Oh wow, you really do have comprehension problems.

Where did I compared life to plastic? A potential [insert noun here] is [insert noun here]. So, I'm comparing life to [insert noun here]?

Since potential human life can become human life, which I care about, I'd rather not see it destroyed.
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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:11 pm

Third Mexican Empire wrote:Since potential human life can become human life, which I care about, I'd rather not see it destroyed.


How far back do you take it, though? Fertilization? Spermatozoa and ova? Skin cells? Organic molecules? How much "potential for life" does something need before you care about it as if it were actual human life?
This is why gay marriage will destroy American families.
Gays are made up of gaytrinos and they interact via faggons, which are massless spin 2 particles. They're massless because gays care so much about their weight, and have spin 2, cause that's as much spin as particles can get, and liberals love spin. The exchange of spin 2 particles creates an attractive force between objects, which is why gays are so promiscuous. When gays get "settle down" into a lower energy state by marrying, they release faggon particles in the form of gaydiation. Everyone is a little bit gay, so every human body has some gaytrinos in it, meaning that the gaydiation could cause straight people to be attracted to gays and choose to turn gay.

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Postby Third Mexican Empire » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:25 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Third Mexican Empire wrote:Since potential human life can become human life, which I care about, I'd rather not see it destroyed.


How far back do you take it, though? Fertilization? Spermatozoa and ova? Skin cells? Organic molecules? How much "potential for life" does something need before you care about it as if it were actual human life?

Fertilization

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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:27 pm

Third Mexican Empire wrote:Fertilization


Why that particular cutoff, may I ask?
This is why gay marriage will destroy American families.
Gays are made up of gaytrinos and they interact via faggons, which are massless spin 2 particles. They're massless because gays care so much about their weight, and have spin 2, cause that's as much spin as particles can get, and liberals love spin. The exchange of spin 2 particles creates an attractive force between objects, which is why gays are so promiscuous. When gays get "settle down" into a lower energy state by marrying, they release faggon particles in the form of gaydiation. Everyone is a little bit gay, so every human body has some gaytrinos in it, meaning that the gaydiation could cause straight people to be attracted to gays and choose to turn gay.

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Postby Desperate Measures » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:34 pm

Third Mexican Empire wrote:
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
At least you're more consistent than most so-called "pro-lifers."

I'm not a conservative, but I can't stomach abortion

Can you stomach other surgical procedures?
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Postby Third Mexican Empire » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:36 pm

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Third Mexican Empire wrote:Fertilization


Why that particular cutoff, may I ask?

It's when the potential narrows itself down to become a new human life

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Postby Crispicaea » Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:37 pm

I'm with Mexico, though I would take it back to the sperm in the testes.
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