why abortion is good.

[Wiztopia]

You can ask her yourself, but I have a feeling you don't give two shits about what anybody decides if it isn't what you've decided. Were you not such a spineless nobody, you'd be a brutal tyrannical dictator.

Probably, but my empire would be moral immoral.

I fixed that for you.

By ejaculation, btw, I actually meant that caused by masturbation...

Noting wrong with masturbation.

[Norstal]

Noting wrong with masturbation.

The internet makes me sad sometimes, especially after seeing that other guy's post.

Then I look at P********hub and I'm happy again.

[Third Mexican Empire]

By ejaculation, btw, I actually meant that caused by masturbation...

Masturbation should be illegal? How exactly are you going to attempt that? It is also besides your reasoning, in that masturbation does not result in a child and as such you do not consign yourself to the possibility of a child. Or did you just want to make it illegal due to your personal moral beliefs?

Lastly, that ... implies you are embarrassed about this sort of thing. I too prefer polite conversation and do not speak of these sorts of things, but in a purely scientific (or political) sense such as this, there is no problem in speaking of such regards.

He was speaking in regards to potential. Just as he believes killing a fetus is bad as it destroys the potential for life, so too does wasted sperm destroy the potential for life.

[Four-sided Triangles]

By ejaculation, btw, I actually meant that caused by masturbation...

Let me just make sure that we're understanding each other and that no one is reading you incorrectly. You wish to ban masturbation?

If so, wow, you're actually more anti-sex than I am. Congratulations on that. It's no small feat.

[Crispicaea]

1. It is a waste of potential life, just like abortion.
2. How so?

Mexico already posted it.

[Cilistia Novaren]

Masturbation should be illegal? How exactly are you going to attempt that? It is also besides your reasoning, in that masturbation does not result in a child and as such you do not consign yourself to the possibility of a child. Or did you just want to make it illegal due to your personal moral beliefs?

Lastly, that ... implies you are embarrassed about this sort of thing. I too prefer polite conversation and do not speak of these sorts of things, but in a purely scientific (or political) sense such as this, there is no problem in speaking of such regards.

He was speaking in regards to potential. Just as he believes killing a fetus is bad as it destroys the potential for life, so too does wasted sperm destroy the potential for life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

By that logic he also wants to ban contraception and something even /more/ natural than masturbation, your own dreams- as I understand it you cannot prevent wet dreams from happening, is it still immoral?

[Norstal]

By ejaculation, btw, I actually meant that caused by masturbation...

Let me just make sure that we're understanding each other and that no one is reading you incorrectly. You wish to ban masturbation?

If so, wow, you're actually more anti-sex than I am. Congratulations on that. It's no small feat.

I have like 100 GB of porn stashed here. I don't wanna lose my collection OR get beheaded for it.

[Norstal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

By that logic he also wants to ban contraception and something even /more/ natural than masturbation, your own dreams- as I understand it you cannot prevent wet dreams from happening, is it still immoral?

He wants to ban menstrual cycles. Lolololol.

[Cilistia Novaren]

1. It is a waste of potential life, just like abortion.
2. How so?

Mexico already posted it.

See my above post, and the second bit was not an argument, just a bit of advice. It seemed to me that you did not like speaking of sexual topics in even a scientific regard, and I said that there was no problem with it as it is purely scientific, its not like anyone was talking about someone in particular. My apologies if I misread your post in such regards.

[Crispicaea]

He was speaking in regards to potential. Just as he believes killing a fetus is bad as it destroys the potential for life, so too does wasted sperm destroy the potential for life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

By that logic he also wants to ban contraception and something even /more/ natural than masturbation, your own dreams- as I understand it you cannot prevent wet dreams from happening, is it still immoral?

Well... it is a waste of potential life...
So yep. And I'm pretty sure you can if you refuse to let your mind even think about immorality.

EDIT: Oh, okay. Makes sense. Nah, I don't talk about sex for obvious reasons, but when it's in a scientific/debate context it's okay.

[Four-sided Triangles]

After. We're not talking potential for death, because then I'd say legalise EVERYTHING. We're talking potential for LIFE.

But why? Why is potential for life the only thing that should change our judgment? We don't treat living people like dead bodies because they have the potential to die. We don't treat a pile of lumber the exact same way we treat a building, even though a large pile of lumber is a potential house. Why do we treat potential people like people? Why is this the only case where it makes sense to treat potential like actual?

If you cannot sufficiently explain how this is somehow different, then your attempt to treat potential for life differently than other kinds of potential is just a case of special pleading.

It does. Life is full of risks, people need to stop blaming others. It's YOUR fault, get over it.

So, by this logic, consent to driving a car is consent to getting in an automobile accident. Okay, so then what do we do with people that get in car accidents? Do we just let them die from their injuries, since they consented to the possibility of a car accident? Or do we actually save their lives, or at least make the best attempt we can to save their lives?

[Cilistia Novaren]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

By that logic he also wants to ban contraception and something even /more/ natural than masturbation, your own dreams- as I understand it you cannot prevent wet dreams from happening, is it still immoral?

Well... it is a waste of potential life...
So yep. And I'm pretty sure you can if you refuse to let your mind even think about immorality.

EDIT: Oh, okay. Makes sense. Nah, I don't talk about sex for obvious reasons, but when it's in a scientific/debate context it's okay.

Then please explain to me how medieval monks would often be visited by the Succubus, as they called it. Were they all immoral? Those who would live in poverty and dedicate their lives to the worship of their god?

[Norstal]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

By that logic he also wants to ban contraception and something even /more/ natural than masturbation, your own dreams- as I understand it you cannot prevent wet dreams from happening, is it still immoral?

Well... it is a waste of potential life...
So yep. And I'm pretty sure you can if you refuse to let your mind even think about immorality.

EDIT: Oh, okay. Makes sense. Nah, I don't talk about sex for obvious reasons, but when it's in a scientific/debate context it's okay.

How are you going to enforce this law? I'm curious really.

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

Why are all you yanks so damn classist?
And by that logic, abortion should also be composulry for rich snobs (snobs only, not all rich people are bad) who make their nannies take care of the kids.
sarcasm: Wouldn't it be better for children to not exist then never see their living parents /sarcasm

[Crispicaea]

After. We're not talking potential for death, because then I'd say legalise EVERYTHING. We're talking potential for LIFE.

But why? Why is potential for life the only thing that should change our judgment? We don't treat living people like dead bodies because they have the potential to die. We don't treat a pile of lumber the exact same way we treat a building, even though a large pile of lumber is a potential house. Why do we treat potential people like people? Why is this the only case where it makes sense to treat potential like actual?

If you cannot sufficiently explain how this is somehow different, then your attempt to treat potential for life differently than other kinds of potential is just a case of special pleading.

Death is the absence of life. Therefore there is no such thing as potential for death, only loss of the potential (and reality) of life. Buildings aren't living. Therefore they don't matter.

It does. Life is full of risks, people need to stop blaming others. It's YOUR fault, get over it.

So, by this logic, consent to driving a car is consent to getting in an automobile accident. Okay, so then what do we do with people that get in car accidents? Do we just let them die from their injuries, since they consented to the possibility of a car accident? Or do we actually save their lives, or at least make the best attempt we can to save their lives?

When saving someone from a car accident, the possibility of destroying potential to life doesn't exist.

[Third Mexican Empire]

Why are all you yanks so classist

Implying we're all Americans

[Crispicaea]

>implying classism exists

[Cilistia Novaren]

Why are all you yanks so classist

Implying we're all Americans

I want to know when we started talking about social classes

[Four-sided Triangles]

1. It is a waste of potential life, just like abortion.
2. How so?

Mexico already posted it.

1a. By this logic, scratching an itch on your ass is a waste of potential life. Cloning isn't that far away. Given cloning technology, every skin cell is a "potential life." Every time you scratch your ass you're committing a holocaust of "potential lives."

1b. How exactly would you go about banning masturbation? How would you enforce such a stupid waste of money and police resources?

2. You're more anti-sex than I am because while I'm against masturbation, I'm not stupid enough to actually think that banning it is a plausible scenario. In addition, I'm not in favor of banning things just because I personally don't like them.

[Bluth Corporation]

It does. Life is full of risks, people need to stop blaming others. It's YOUR fault, get over it.

Actually, that's very rarely the case.

[Norstal]

Implying we're all Americans

I want to know when we started talking about social classes

It's Kala. He's like a lost deer. Just ignore him and maybe he'll go away.

[Crispicaea]

1. It is a waste of potential life, just like abortion.
2. How so?

Mexico already posted it.

1a. By this logic, scratching an itch on your ass is a waste of potential life. Cloning isn't that far away. Given cloning technology, every skin cell is a "potential life." Every time you scratch your ass you're committing a holocaust of "potential lives."

1b. How exactly would you go about banning masturbation? How would you enforce such a stupid waste of money and police resources?

2. You're more anti-sex than I am because while I'm against masturbation, I'm not stupid enough to actually think that banning it is a plausible scenario. In addition, I'm not in favor of banning things just because I personally don't like them.

1a. Cloning is immoral.

1b. I wouldn't, it just ought not to happen. It can't be enforced, therefore it's a pointless law. Doesn't change morality.

2. See 1b.

[Bluth Corporation]

1a. By this logic, scratching an itch on your ass is a waste of potential life. Cloning isn't that far away. Given cloning technology, every skin cell is a "potential life." Every time you scratch your ass you're committing a holocaust of "potential lives."

1b. How exactly would you go about banning masturbation? How would you enforce such a stupid waste of money and police resources?

2. You're more anti-sex than I am because while I'm against masturbation, I'm not stupid enough to actually think that banning it is a plausible scenario. In addition, I'm not in favor of banning things just because I personally don't like them.

1a. Cloning is immoral.

Why?

1b. I wouldn't, it just ought not to happen. It can't be enforced, therefore it's a pointless law. Doesn't change morality.

This assumes masturbation is immoral in the first place. But it's not.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Death is the absence of life. Therefore there is no such thing as potential for death, only loss of the potential (and reality) of life.

Bullshit. You can die. In fact, not only CAN you die, you WILL die. Ergo, by the basic rules of the English language, you have, BY DEFINITION, the potential for death. No amount of sophistry is going to get you out of this.

Buildings aren't living. Therefore they don't matter.

Potential life isn't living either.

When saving someone from a car accident, the possibility of destroying potential to life doesn't exist.

So fucking what?

You still can't answer my question. You failed to sufficiently explain why potential for life deserves special treatment.

Special pleading. You fail.

[Kalaspia-Shimarata]

Why are all you yanks so classist

Implying we're all Americans

I'm not implying you're all Americans, no, in fact I'm Australian. It is obvious the OP is American from the things he/she is writing