why abortion is good.

[Mavorpen]

Fetuses are not sentient, therefore, are not people.

yes, they are. yes, They can.

furthermore, are people in a coma, still sentient? is sentient a way to define a person???

Uh, no because it is a medical condition. You are born with sentience or not. When you die, you lose that sentience.

[Vazdania]

so again, a three day old is not a person?

A three day old is self aware.

then we must assume that a fetus that is half way in and out of the mother is self aware, which makes me assume that if B is sentient and AB is sentient then A has to be sentient aswell

[Inexplicability]

Why don't we define sentient? This seems to be another vague concept.

Generally the definition is:

1. Ability to perceive or feel things

2. Responsive to or conscious of sense impression.

3. Finely sentient in perception or feeling.

4. Aware

Depending on which definition you use, all life can be considered sentient. Animals however would fall under them all.

Well, then humans being sentient must not be what makes humans so superior to animals that they must not be killed.

[Mavorpen]

Definition of SENTIENT
1: responsive to or conscious of sense impressions <sentient beings>
merriam-webster

Let's stop saying "sentient" then, since it applies to puppies too.

They don't want to admit that they in fact support the killing of sentient beings all the time.

[Vazdania]

yes, they are. yes, They can.

furthermore, are people in a coma, still sentient? is sentient a way to define a person???

Uh, no because it is a medical condition. You are born with sentience or not. When you die, you lose that sentience.

what if they come out of the coma?

[Birkinghamia]

The adult's brain is still more developed. Are you denying that we are the most intelligent pecies on the planet? Do you see monkeys living in cities, having governments, religions, cultures, etc.?

(You should proofread what you write, by the way.)

dissprove it please! I see primates form very social groups that resemble human social groups, therefore I must assume that there is some sort of peer pressure going on which makes me further assume that they are aware of themself.

Okay, let me stick with something more basic. How about language? Yes, they make sounds to communicate, but do they have a fully developed languages? In order to have any more than a basic society, language needs to be present for communication. Features of more developed societies include cities, governments, religions, and cultures.

[Divair]

A three day old is self aware.

then we must assume that a fetus that is half way in and out of the mother is self aware, which makes me assume that if B is sentient and AB is sentient then A has to be sentient aswell

*Facedesk*
The fetus is not sentient.
The mother is sentient.
A is not sentient.
B is sentient.
There is no AB.

[Zeth Rekia]

yes, they are. yes, They can.

Responses from outside stimuli are reflexive and show no signs of conscious awareness of self or surroundings. Nor, any perception of reality or attachment to such said reality.

furthermore, are people in a coma, still sentient?

No.

is sentient a way to define a person???

No.

[Vazdania]

Generally the definition is:

1. Ability to perceive or feel things

2. Responsive to or conscious of sense impression.

3. Finely sentient in perception or feeling.

4. Aware

Depending on which definition you use, all life can be considered sentient. Animals however would fall under them all.

Well, then humans being sentient must not be what makes humans so superior to animals that they must not be killed.

agreed. it is something more, bibically we have dominion over them, what is this "dominion"???

[Mavorpen]

Generally the definition is:

1. Ability to perceive or feel things

2. Responsive to or conscious of sense impression.

3. Finely sentient in perception or feeling.

4. Aware

Depending on which definition you use, all life can be considered sentient. Animals however would fall under them all.

Well, then humans being sentient must not be what makes humans so superior to animals that they must not be killed.

There are certain things where we are superior to than other species.

[Mavorpen]

Generally the definition is:

1. Ability to perceive or feel things

2. Responsive to or conscious of sense impression.

3. Finely sentient in perception or feeling.

4. Aware

Depending on which definition you use, all life can be considered sentient. Animals however would fall under them all.

Well, then humans being sentient must not be what makes humans so superior to animals that they must not be killed.

There are certain things where we are superior to than other species.

[Inexplicability]

A three day old is self aware.

then we must assume that a fetus that is half way in and out of the mother is self aware, which makes me assume that if B is sentient and AB is sentient then A has to be sentient aswell

No, they don't become sentient until three days old.

[Vazdania]

yes, they are. yes, They can.

Responses from outside stimuli are reflexive and show no signs of conscious awareness of self or surroundings. Nor, any perception of reality or attachment to such said reality.

furthermore, are people in a coma, still sentient?

No.

is sentient a way to define a person???

No.

then how can we go about defining a fetus as being a person based on being sentient???

[Inexplicability]

Well, then humans being sentient must not be what makes humans so superior to animals that they must not be killed.

There are certain things where we are superior to than other species.

What are these certain things?

[The Flood]

They have the potential to be, a filthy delicious swine doesn't

And? They still aren't sentient, therefore using your logic you can kill them.

Find a dictionary and look up the word 'potential'.

[Vazdania]

I am glad that though we disagree we are actually getting somewhere and not fighting but rather having a debate which benefits all people...

[Norstal]

And? They still aren't sentient, therefore using your logic you can kill them.

Find a dictionary and look up the word 'potential'.

If A can potentially be B, then A is not B.

[Birkinghamia]

"Killing" does not pertain to laws in general. Are you or are you not ending the life of a fetus?

Yes. Are you are or you not ending the life of bacteria, cows, chickens, pigs, sheep, etc. etc. etc.? If you use the word "killing" you contradict yourself.

I see that you like being repetitive.

Humans are on a different level than other species (see above posts for an explanation why). I'm arguing that killing a human being is wrong. For some reason, you think that I'm talking about killing in general.

[Mavorpen]

dissprove it please! I see primates form very social groups that resemble human social groups, therefore I must assume that there is some sort of peer pressure going on which makes me further assume that they are aware of themself.

Okay, let me stick with something more basic. How about language? Yes, they make sounds to communicate, but do they have a fully developed languages? In order to have any more than a basic society, language needs to be present for communication. Features of more developed societies include cities, governments, religions, and cultures.

Language is really not that big of a deal. Many species have the foundations of language. But really, do you think they need it? They have their own communication system. Language needs to be present? Have any sources for this?

[Vazdania]

Well, then humans being sentient must not be what makes humans so superior to animals that they must not be killed.

There are certain things where we are superior to than other species.

i would also say that other species have things which make them superior to us

[Birkinghamia]

The adult's brain is still more developed. Are you denying that we are the most intelligent pecies on the planet? Do you see monkeys living in cities, having governments, religions, cultures, etc.?

(You should proofread what you write, by the way.)

You are judging other species by our own standards. Intelligence is subjective.

Okay, let me stick with something more basic. How about language? Yes, they make sounds to communicate, but do they have a fully developed languages? In order to have any more than a basic society, language needs to be present for communication. Features of more developed societies include cities, governments, religions, and cultures.

[Mavorpen]

And? They still aren't sentient, therefore using your logic you can kill them.

Find a dictionary and look up the word 'potential'.

My neighbor has the potential to become a mass murderer. Should I go to his house and kill him because he has this potential? Your argument is nonsense.

[The Flood]

I've had enough of this. I agree with Birkinghamia and that's the end of this BS. Abortion is vile, despicable, evil, and wrong, end of discussion.

[Vazdania]

Okay, let me stick with something more basic. How about language? Yes, they make sounds to communicate, but do they have a fully developed languages? In order to have any more than a basic society, language needs to be present for communication. Features of more developed societies include cities, governments, religions, and cultures.

Language is really not that big of a deal. Many species have the foundations of language. But really, do you think they need it? They have their own communication system. Language needs to be present? Have any sources for this?

wolf howls, whales communicate with there BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUSSS or what not, dogs bark..cats meow...its what they do vocally which allows them to communicate. if you need proof, high precision wolf attacks on game animals

[Vazdania]

I've had enough of this. I agree with Birkinghamia and that's the end of this BS. Abortion is vile, despicable, evil, and wrong, end of discussion.

agreed, BUT, I disagree with you about animal conciousness