why abortion is good.

[Mavorpen]

I seem to recall you saying that killing any human being is wrong, period. Stop making excuses for your hypocrisy.

Screaming "hypocrisy" isn't getting you anywhere. I already told you. Killing someone is wrong, but protection is a legal reason to do so. I never said killing someone for protection was right, but you're acting like it.

And laws are subjective, therefore once again, you have no argument. You are making excuses for yourself, it's rather annoying.

[Zeth Rekia]

I seem to recall you saying that killing any human being is wrong, period. Stop making excuses for your hypocrisy.

Screaming "hypocrisy" isn't getting you anywhere. I already told you. Killing someone is wrong, but protection is a legal reason to do so. I never said killing someone for protection was right, but you're acting like it.

Fetuses are not people. You're only a person when you're self-aware. That's later in development.

[Inexplicability]

Hm?

right before the entire fetus is out of the mothers body it is sentient, therefore it is stilla fetus and sentient

Why don't we define sentient? This seems to be another vague concept.

[Mavorpen]

Hm?

right before the entire fetus is out of the mothers body it is sentient, therefore it is stilla fetus and sentient

I think you two are talking about different stages in fetal development.

[Vazdania]

Screaming "hypocrisy" isn't getting you anywhere. I already told you. Killing someone is wrong, but protection is a legal reason to do so. I never said killing someone for protection was right, but you're acting like it.

Fetuses are not people. You're only a person when you're self-aware. That's later in development.

so again, a three day old is not a person?

[Vazdania]

right before the entire fetus is out of the mothers body it is sentient, therefore it is stilla fetus and sentient

I think you two are talking about different stages in fetal development.

OOOHHHHHHHHH, so what type of fetus are YOU talking about then HMMMMM O_o at what age is it still ok to still abort?

[Zeth Rekia]

Fetuses are not people. You're only a person when you're self-aware. That's later in development.

so again, a three day old is not a person?

in what context? Inside the uterus or outside?

[Zeth Rekia]

I think you two are talking about different stages in fetal development.

OOOHHHHHHHHH, so what type of fetus are YOU talking about then HMMMMM O_o at what age is it still ok to still abort?

Fetus... duh. As far as I can recall, there's only one type of fetus.

[Mavorpen]

Fetuses are not people. You're only a person when you're self-aware. That's later in development.

so again, a three day old is not a person?

Uh, they are self-aware are they not?

[Birkinghamia]

We have the most developed brains, and therefore, are the most intelligent species on this planet.

Disagreed once again, whther or not ones brain is developed does not acuratlly represent intellegence. a 13 year old may know more than a 30 year old

The adult's brain is still more developed. Are you denying that we are the most intelligent species on the planet? Do you see monkeys living in cities, having governments, religions, cultures, etc.?

(You should proofread what you write, by the way.)

[Vazdania]

right before the entire fetus is out of the mothers body it is sentient, therefore it is stilla fetus and sentient

Why don't we define sentient? This seems to be another vague concept.

Definition of SENTIENT
1: responsive to or conscious of sense impressions <sentient beings>
merriam-webster

[Cameroi]

well urban poor certainly aren't a majority of criminals. and at least some urban poor are only urban because they're not well enough off to become rural poor. so i don't agree with that PART of the op statement.

but i DO agree abortion is a mostly positive thing. that if its a killing it is indeed a mercy killing. its good for two reasons, one for which i would give the o.p. a: "close but no see-gar". that it is certainly no "mercy" to force anyone to be born into circumstances where they would be an unaffordable burden; but even more: that humans are something planet earth has rather a more then sufficient abundance of.

[Norstal]

Fetuses are not people. You're only a person when you're self-aware. That's later in development.

so again, a three day old is not a person?

Not unless the government AND the mother gives them personhood.

[Birkinghamia]

Screaming "hypocrisy" isn't getting you anywhere. I already told you. Killing someone is wrong, but protection is a legal reason to do so. I never said killing someone for protection was right, but you're acting like it.

And laws are subjective, therefore once again, you have no argument. You are making excuses for yourself, it's rather annoying.

"Killing" does not pertain to laws in general. Are you or are you not ending the life of a fetus?

[Inexplicability]

Disagreed once again, whther or not ones brain is developed does not acuratlly represent intellegence. a 13 year old may know more than a 30 year old

The adult's brain is still more developed. Are you denying that we are the most intelligent pecies on the planet? Do you see monkeys living in cities, having governments, religions, cultures, etc.?

(You should proofread what you write, by the way.)

You are judging other species by our own standards. Intelligence is subjective.

[Mavorpen]

right before the entire fetus is out of the mothers body it is sentient, therefore it is stilla fetus and sentient

Why don't we define sentient? This seems to be another vague concept.

Generally the definition is:

1. Ability to perceive or feel things

2. Responsive to or conscious of sense impression.

3. Finely sentient in perception or feeling.

4. Aware

Depending on which definition you use, all life can be considered sentient. Animals however would fall under them all.

[Zeth Rekia]

Definition of SENTIENT
1: responsive to or conscious of sense impressions <sentient beings>
merriam-webster

Fetuses are not sentient, therefore, are not people.

[Vazdania]

Disagreed once again, whther or not ones brain is developed does not acuratlly represent intellegence. a 13 year old may know more than a 30 year old

The adult's brain is still more developed. Are you denying that we are the most intelligent pecies on the planet? Do you see monkeys living in cities, having governments, religions, cultures, etc.?

(You should proofread what you write, by the way.)

dissprove it please! I see primates form very social groups that resemble human social groups, therefore I must assume that there is some sort of peer pressure going on which makes me further assume that they are aware of themself.

[Mavorpen]

Disagreed once again, whther or not ones brain is developed does not acuratlly represent intellegence. a 13 year old may know more than a 30 year old

The adult's brain is still more developed. Are you denying that we are the most intelligent species on the planet? Do you see monkeys living in cities, having governments, religions, cultures, etc.?

(You should proofread what you write, by the way.)

Apes do have cultures and primitive forms of religion. Monkeys, I'm not sure. Ants build "cities". Again, intelligence is HIGHLY subjective.

[Inexplicability]

well urban poor certainly aren't a majority of criminals. and at least some urban poor are only urban because they're not well enough off to become rural poor. so i don't agree with that PART of the op statement.

but i DO agree abortion is a mostly positive thing. that if its a killing it is indeed a mercy killing. its good for two reasons, one for which i would give the o.p. a: "close but no see-gar". that it is certainly no "mercy" to force anyone to be born into circumstances where they would be an unaffordable burden; but even more: that humans are something planet earth has rather a more then sufficient abundance of.

Yes, Isn't it cruel to allow a baby to be born in such circumstances? It really isn't beneficial to anyone.

[Divair]

Fetuses are not people. You're only a person when you're self-aware. That's later in development.

so again, a three day old is not a person?

A three day old is self aware.

[Mavorpen]

And laws are subjective, therefore once again, you have no argument. You are making excuses for yourself, it's rather annoying.

"Killing" does not pertain to laws in general. Are you or are you not ending the life of a fetus?

Yes. Are you are or you not ending the life of bacteria, cows, chickens, pigs, sheep, etc. etc. etc.? If you use the word "killing" you contradict yourself.

[Vazdania]

Definition of SENTIENT
1: responsive to or conscious of sense impressions <sentient beings>
merriam-webster

Fetuses are not sentient, therefore, are not people.

yes, they are. yes, They can.

furthermore, are people in a coma, still sentient? is sentient a way to define a person???

[Zeth Rekia]

Apes do have cultures and primitive forms of religion. Monkeys, I'm not sure. Ants build "cities". Again, intelligence is HIGHLY subjective.

Apes actually form clans, from what I can remember. These clans sometimes do engage in violent conflict over food and females or whatnot.

Not much to do with abortion though.

[AiliailiA]

Why don't we define sentient? This seems to be another vague concept.

Definition of SENTIENT
1: responsive to or conscious of sense impressions <sentient beings>
merriam-webster

Let's stop saying "sentient" then, since it applies to puppies too.