why abortion is good.

[The Alma Mater]

You haven't been paying attention, have you? I've given numerous reasons why "pro-life" is hypocritical. Not sure how not insulting someone and backing up my statement is Ad Hominem

how is pro life hypocrytical?

First off we believe that the fetus is a human life therefore its murder

Really ? So if YOU were to desperately need a bloodtransfusion, and I refuse to give you one due my religious beliefs... I would be a murderer when you die ?
Same situation after all.

[LibertariaEmpire]

same reasoning used in the early 1900s to support euthanizing and sterilizing blacks, asians, and mentally handicapped and the same reasoning behind the nazi eugenics programs, go too hell you eugenecist swine

[Birkinghamia]

It's not the same thing. See, when you are in a car, you aren't thinking that you're going to die. When a woman has unprotected sex, she's fully aware of what the consequences could be. And I'm pretty sure someone is a lot more likely to get pregnant than someone dying in a car wreck.

So, when you drive, you think there's a 0% chance you will get into a wreck and die? This argument ONCE AGAIN makes no logical sense whatsoever. Actually, the chances of both are about equally slim.

You need to calm down, I just got in here.

You didn't address my main argument. Women who have unprotected sex are fully aware of the possible consequences of doing so.

Protection pretty much keeps guarantees that someone won't get pregnant. There is no way to guarantee someone safe while driving. It's different.

[Benedictus]

Abortion is murder. It is as simple as that. Murder is against the Law in just about every country, and it is against the Ten Commandments. Wouldn't you rather have the kid make his own decision in life, perhaps letting him/her change his/her life. But no, the abortionists [if that's a word] aren't giving their child the option of living.

[The Flood]

I see you prefer pro murder then eh bro?

Murder is subjective, as we have already determined. Go away if you're going to use elementary school arguments.

It is not subjective, killing a human being is not an opinion, it is murder, and nothing you can say can ever change that.

[Vazdania]

how is pro life hypocrytical?

First off we believe that the fetus is a human life therefore its murder
second off the woman is aware that she may get pregnant
finally we believe that its not right ( to varying degrees)

Because you have no problem with the slaughtering of millions of animals for no reason. Abortion has a reason.

1. A fetus being a human life is opinion, and even if it is, the mother's life and rights outweigh the fetuses. PERIOD.
2. And I'm aware I might get stabbed when I walk outside. Who cares?! I have a right to express my rights even if I feel the consequences.
3. Again, we agree that there should be limits.

yes, I do. But humans are omnivores arent we? we need food, many many many choose meat as a source of sustance. I have issues that we need to kill things to get food

[Mavorpen]

same reasoning used in the early 1900s to support euthanizing and sterilizing blacks, asians, and mentally handicapped and the same reasoning behind the nazi eugenics programs, go too hell you eugenecist swine

Wrong. African Americans are fully developed Homo sapians. A fetus is not. We state that women have a choice, they obviously performed Euthanasia against the consent of the patients. Read the thread before spreading nonsense.

[Norstal]

You haven't been paying attention, have you? I've given numerous reasons why "pro-life" is hypocritical. Not sure how not insulting someone and backing up my statement is Ad Hominem

I see you prefer pro murder then eh bro?

Murder is law. Unless you yourself is a law attorney, calling abortion murder makes you look as foolish as telling Christians that Jesus isn't born on Christmas day.

[The Alma Mater]

Murder is subjective, as we have already determined. Go away if you're going to use elementary school arguments.

It is not subjective, killing a human being is not an opinion, it is murder, and nothing you can say can ever change that.

The law disagrees with you there. Too bad.

[Birkinghamia]

I see you prefer pro murder then eh bro?

Murder is subjective, as we have already determined. Go away if you're going to use elementary school arguments.

No it's not. Murder is not an opinion. It's a fact.

[Mavorpen]

Abortion is murder. It is as simple as that. Murder is against the Law in just about every country, and it is against the Ten Commandments. Wouldn't you rather have the kid make his own decision in life, perhaps letting him/her change his/her life. But no, the abortionists [if that's a word] aren't giving their child the option of living.

Murder is subjective. The Ten Commandments are nonsense and have no place in logical debates. The "kid" is a fetus and does not have rights, and the mother's rights overturn it's rights anyway.

[Mavorpen]

Because you have no problem with the slaughtering of millions of animals for no reason. Abortion has a reason.

1. A fetus being a human life is opinion, and even if it is, the mother's life and rights outweigh the fetuses. PERIOD.
2. And I'm aware I might get stabbed when I walk outside. Who cares?! I have a right to express my rights even if I feel the consequences.
3. Again, we agree that there should be limits.

yes, I do. But humans are omnivores arent we? we need food, many many many choose meat as a source of sustance. I have issues that we need to kill things to get food

We are cultural omnivores, not biologically. We can survive based off of a plant only diet, so our slaughtering of animals is baseless.

[Birkinghamia]

Abortion is murder. It is as simple as that. Murder is against the Law in just about every country, and it is against the Ten Commandments. Wouldn't you rather have the kid make his own decision in life, perhaps letting him/her change his/her life. But no, the abortionists [if that's a word] aren't giving their child the option of living.

Murder is subjective. The Ten Commandments are nonsense and have no place in logical debates. The "kid" is a fetus and does not have rights, and the mother's rights overturn it's rights anyway.

Who says so? I thought all human beings were equal.

[Vazdania]

Abortion is murder. It is as simple as that. Murder is against the Law in just about every country, and it is against the Ten Commandments. Wouldn't you rather have the kid make his own decision in life, perhaps letting him/her change his/her life. But no, the abortionists [if that's a word] aren't giving their child the option of living.

Murder is subjective. The Ten Commandments are nonsense and have no place in logical debates. The "kid" is a fetus and does not have rights, and the mother's rights overturn it's rights anyway.

yes, they do. Logic is again subjective.

[Mavorpen]

Murder is subjective, as we have already determined. Go away if you're going to use elementary school arguments.

No it's not. Murder is not an opinion. It's a fact.

Uh? Murder is determined by law. Law is subjective. Murder is subjective. It's simple.

[The Alma Mater]

Abortion is murder. It is as simple as that. Murder is against the Law in just about every country, and it is against the Ten Commandments.

Actually, according to the Bible causing a woman to miscarry is merely a fineable offense - and only if the husband of the woman in question wants to press charges.

And since realworld law also disagrees with you.. find a new argument

[Inexplicability]

I love the abortion debate because it is so subjective. The whole problem is that people don't understand why we can't morally murder other humans. What make human so special compared to other things? Once this is agreed upon, we could determine whether or not a fetus has this special quality that grants it our reverence to human life. If it doesn't, we could make abortion legal. If it does, we can make it illegal.

[Mavorpen]

Murder is subjective. The Ten Commandments are nonsense and have no place in logical debates. The "kid" is a fetus and does not have rights, and the mother's rights overturn it's rights anyway.

Who says so? I thought all human beings were equal.

And that is the debate. Should a fetus be even considered a human, or a person rather? You cannot state they are equal, when many believe they are not even human.

[Vazdania]

yes, I do. But humans are omnivores arent we? we need food, many many many choose meat as a source of sustance. I have issues that we need to kill things to get food

We are cultural omnivores, not biologically. We can survive based off of a plant only diet, so our slaughtering of animals is baseless.

let us all become vegitarian then, but then we are killing plants D: we need to be eating things that dont kill!!!! like APPLES! and....ORANGES!!! and....um KIWIS! and RICE!

[The Alma Mater]

Murder is subjective. The Ten Commandments are nonsense and have no place in logical debates. The "kid" is a fetus and does not have rights, and the mother's rights overturn it's rights anyway.

Who says so? I thought all human beings were equal.

Again: can you force me to give up some of my organs and/or blood to save your life, or are they my choice to give ?

[The Flood]

It is not subjective, killing a human being is not an opinion, it is murder, and nothing you can say can ever change that.

The law disagrees with you there. Too bad.

Only a fool believes the law is always right. AKA SOPA

[Mavorpen]

We are cultural omnivores, not biologically. We can survive based off of a plant only diet, so our slaughtering of animals is baseless.

let us all become vegitarian then, but then we are killing plants D: we need to be eating things that dont kill!!!! like APPLES! and....ORANGES!!! and....um KIWIS! and RICE!

You do realize fruit aren't alive right...?

[Birkinghamia]

No it's not. Murder is not an opinion. It's a fact.

Uh? Murder is determined by law. Law is subjective. Murder is subjective. It's simple.

Maybe "murder" isn't the right word. How about that it's killing a human being? Please tell me that you don't think killing something is subjective.

[Mavorpen]

The law disagrees with you there. Too bad.

Only a fool believes the law is always right. AKA SOPA

That was his point. Law is subjective, therefore murder is subjective. Thanks for proving our point.

[Vazdania]

let us all become vegitarian then, but then we are killing plants D: we need to be eating things that dont kill!!!! like APPLES! and....ORANGES!!! and....um KIWIS! and RICE!

You do realize fruit aren't alive right...?

exactly!!! we cant eat things that are alive! fruit arent alive SOOOO they are ok