why abortion is good.

[Mavorpen]

when does life begin? It is an opinion based answer and therefore a personal truth, therefore abortion is an entirely opinion based conclusion...as for me, it is at conception.

Lmao, it's not opinion based really. It doesn't matter when life begins, it's about the rights of the mother. She has the right to abort, period, and ruining the lives of the mom and/or doctor is selfish.

[Birkinghamia]

This is the weirdest abortion debate ever

I agree. Coming on here and seeing how it turned into a debate about whether humans are animals or not and whether the universe is expanding or not is not something I was expecting to see from an abortion debate.

[Vazdania]

when does life begin? It is an opinion based answer and therefore a personal truth, therefore abortion is an entirely opinion based conclusion...as for me, it is at conception.

Lmao, it's not opinion based really. It doesn't matter when life begins, it's about the rights of the mother. She has the right to abort, period, and ruining the lives of the mom and/or doctor is selfish.

again, are we really "taking away her rights?" or are we taking away the childs?

it was her choice to have sex

[Mavorpen]

Lmao, it's not opinion based really. It doesn't matter when life begins, it's about the rights of the mother. She has the right to abort, period, and ruining the lives of the mom and/or doctor is selfish.

again, are we really "taking away her rights?" or are we taking away the childs?

it was her choice to have sex

It was not her choice to be pregnant. We've discussed this dozens of pages ago. For instance, if you get into a wreck. You chose to get into the car. You didn't choose to get hit by another driver.Using your logic, you shouldn't be able to sue the other person. Your argument is invalid.

[Vazdania]

again, are we really "taking away her rights?" or are we taking away the childs?

it was her choice to have sex

It was not her choice to be pregnant. We've discussed this dozens of pages ago. For instance, if you get into a wreck. You chose to get into the car. You didn't choose to get hit by another driver.Using your logic, you shouldn't be able to sue the other person. Your argument is invalid.

you took the risk

[Mavorpen]

It was not her choice to be pregnant. We've discussed this dozens of pages ago. For instance, if you get into a wreck. You chose to get into the car. You didn't choose to get hit by another driver.Using your logic, you shouldn't be able to sue the other person. Your argument is invalid.

you took the risk

So now you're saying you shouldn't be able to hold anyone accountable for hurting you because you "took the risk."

Tell me, if I walked outside my house one day and was stabbed, should the other person be held accountable? According to you no because I "took the risk" of going outside. Do you understand now how fictitious that argument is?

[Vazdania]

It was not her choice to be pregnant. We've discussed this dozens of pages ago. For instance, if you get into a wreck. You chose to get into the car. You didn't choose to get hit by another driver.Using your logic, you shouldn't be able to sue the other person. Your argument is invalid.

you took the risk

furthrmore we know that sex leads to pregnancy whereas dtiving does not lead to crash neccisarily

[Birkinghamia]

again, are we really "taking away her rights?" or are we taking away the childs?

it was her choice to have sex

It was not her choice to be pregnant. We've discussed this dozens of pages ago. For instance, if you get into a wreck. You chose to get into the car. You didn't choose to get hit by another driver.Using your logic, you shouldn't be able to sue the other person. Your argument is invalid.

Actually, it was her choice. She chose the risk of getting pregnant over abstaining or using protection.

[Mavorpen]

you took the risk

furthrmore we know that sex leads to pregnancy whereas dtiving does not lead to crash neccisarily

Nice job completely ignoring contraception.

[Mavorpen]

It was not her choice to be pregnant. We've discussed this dozens of pages ago. For instance, if you get into a wreck. You chose to get into the car. You didn't choose to get hit by another driver.Using your logic, you shouldn't be able to sue the other person. Your argument is invalid.

Actually, it was her choice. She chose the risk of getting pregnant over abstaining or using protection.

See my above post for why this argument still fails.

[The Flood]

Thank God Almighty that the majority voted no.

God I was beginning to think everyone on the internet was an amoral monster...

[Mavorpen]

Thank God Almighty that the majority voted no.

God I was beginning to think everyone on the internet was an amoral monster...

Cool, more hypocrisy.

[Vazdania]

Thank God Almighty that the majority voted no.

God I was beginning to think everyone on the internet was an amoral monster...

Cool, more hypocrisy.

Ad Hominem AGAIN

[Birkinghamia]

Actually, it was her choice. She chose the risk of getting pregnant over abstaining or using protection.

See my above post for why this argument still fails.

It's not the same thing. See, when you are in a car, you aren't thinking that you're going to die. When a woman has unprotected sex, she's fully aware of what the consequences could be. And I'm pretty sure someone is a lot more likely to get pregnant than someone dying in a car wreck.

[Mavorpen]

Cool, more hypocrisy.

Ad Hominem AGAIN

You haven't been paying attention, have you? I've given numerous reasons why "pro-life" is hypocritical. Not sure how not insulting someone and backing up my statement is Ad Hominem

[The Alma Mater]

Cool, more hypocrisy.

Ad Hominem AGAIN

Hypocrisy tends to refer to ones arguments, not the person
So not an ad hominem

[Vazdania]

Ad Hominem AGAIN

You haven't been paying attention, have you? I've given numerous reasons why "pro-life" is hypocritical. Not sure how not insulting someone and backing up my statement is Ad Hominem

how is pro life hypocrytical?

First off we believe that the fetus is a human life therefore its murder
second off the woman is aware that she may get pregnant
finally we believe that its not right ( to varying degrees)

[Mavorpen]

See my above post for why this argument still fails.

It's not the same thing. See, when you are in a car, you aren't thinking that you're going to die. When a woman has unprotected sex, she's fully aware of what the consequences could be. And I'm pretty sure someone is a lot more likely to get pregnant than someone dying in a car wreck.

So, when you drive, you think there's a 0% chance you will get into a wreck and die? This argument ONCE AGAIN makes no logical sense whatsoever. Actually, the chances of both are about equally slim.

[Birkinghamia]

Ad Hominem AGAIN

You haven't been paying attention, have you? I've given numerous reasons why "pro-life" is hypocritical. Not sure how not insulting someone and backing up my statement is Ad Hominem

I wasn't aware that preventing the killing of innocent human beings is hypocritical.

[The Alma Mater]

It was not her choice to be pregnant. We've discussed this dozens of pages ago. For instance, if you get into a wreck. You chose to get into the car. You didn't choose to get hit by another driver.Using your logic, you shouldn't be able to sue the other person. Your argument is invalid.

you took the risk

They took the risk, and then accepted the consequences by having an abortion.

What's your point ?

[The Flood]

Ad Hominem AGAIN

You haven't been paying attention, have you? I've given numerous reasons why "pro-life" is hypocritical. Not sure how not insulting someone and backing up my statement is Ad Hominem

I see you prefer pro murder then eh bro?

[Vazdania]

Ad Hominem AGAIN

Hypocrisy tends to refer to ones arguments, not the person
So not an ad hominem

your suggesting that what they think is hypocratic as they may have a pro life argument...that is an argument

[The Alma Mater]

You haven't been paying attention, have you? I've given numerous reasons why "pro-life" is hypocritical. Not sure how not insulting someone and backing up my statement is Ad Hominem

I wasn't aware that preventing the killing of innocent human beings is hypocritical.

Then you have not bothered to read the thread. Come back when you did.

[Mavorpen]

You haven't been paying attention, have you? I've given numerous reasons why "pro-life" is hypocritical. Not sure how not insulting someone and backing up my statement is Ad Hominem

how is pro life hypocrytical?

First off we believe that the fetus is a human life therefore its murder
second off the woman is aware that she may get pregnant
finally we believe that its not right ( to varying degrees)

Because you have no problem with the slaughtering of millions of animals for no reason. Abortion has a reason.

1. A fetus being a human life is opinion, and even if it is, the mother's life and rights outweigh the fetuses. PERIOD.
2. And I'm aware I might get stabbed when I walk outside. Who cares?! I have a right to express my rights even if I feel the consequences.
3. Again, we agree that there should be limits.

[Mavorpen]

You haven't been paying attention, have you? I've given numerous reasons why "pro-life" is hypocritical. Not sure how not insulting someone and backing up my statement is Ad Hominem

I see you prefer pro murder then eh bro?

Murder is subjective, as we have already determined. Go away if you're going to use elementary school arguments.