Nativity Scene Controversy in Central Texas

by **Xsyne** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:35 pm

Moon Cows wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Not really. But it's still against the Constitution. They have the right to protest it.

Of course they do. But is a Nativity Scene inappropriate? It's just symbolizing an actual historical event. (which I'm pretty sure most atheists agree on . . . )

That's like "Merry Christmas" being offensive. I wish everyone a Merry Christmas during the holiday season. . . not a "Happy Holiday", because I don't celebrate holiday. If I was told "Happy Hanukkah", I would say it right back.

The nativity, as commonly depicted, isn't even Biblically supported, much less historically supported.

by **Moon Cows** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:35 pm

Norstal wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:
I agree, it's different, but is it honestly hurting anyone?

It will in the long run.

It sends the message that it's good to have religion in our government. But, I'm sure you're the kind of person who wants that noting your previous posts, so, I won't waste my carpal tunnel integrity.

That's not what I want? lol. I want people to be able to express their religion freely, even in a courthouse.

by **Vetalia** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:35 pm

Moon Cows wrote:Of course they do. But is a Nativity Scene inappropriate? It's just symbolizing an actual historical event. (which I'm pretty sure most atheists agree on . . . )

That's like "Merry Christmas" being offensive. I wish everyone a Merry Christmas during the holiday season. . . not a "Happy Holiday", because I don't celebrate holiday. If I was told "Happy Hanukkah", I would say it right back.

^This. And if they say they don't celebrate Christmas, I'd be quite happy wishing them a happy holiday of their choice or none at all.

by **Nationstatelandsville** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:36 pm

Moon Cows wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Not really. But it's still against the Constitution. They have the right to protest it.

Of course they do. But is a Nativity Scene inappropriate? It's just symbolizing an actual historical event. (which I'm pretty sure most atheists agree on . . . )

That's like "Merry Christmas" being offensive. I wish everyone a Merry Christmas during the holiday season. . . not a "Happy Holiday", because I don't celebrate holiday. If I was told "Happy Hanukkah", I would say it right back.

It's not really depicting a historic event (like a baby is born in such a glorious matter, messiah or not), and even if it is, how is it relevant to our country without endorsing a religion?

by **Norstal** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:36 pm

Moon Cows wrote:Of course they do. But is a Nativity Scene inappropriate? It's just symbolizing an actual historical event. (which I'm pretty sure most atheists agree on . . . )

In government property. Do try to keep up.

And LOL actual historical event.

That's like "Merry Christmas" being offensive. I wish everyone a Merry Christmas during the holiday season. . . not a "Happy Holiday", because I don't celebrate holiday. If I was told "Happy Hanukkah", I would say it right back.

Quite different actually. You saying that doesn't endorse the religion. Merely recognize the celebration exists.

by **Conserative Morality** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:36 pm

Moon Cows wrote:Of course they do. But is a Nativity Scene inappropriate? It's just symbolizing an actual historical event. (which I'm pretty sure most atheists agree on . . . )

No, it really isn't.

by **Moon Cows** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:36 pm

Xsyne wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:
Of course they do. But is a Nativity Scene inappropriate? It's just symbolizing an actual historical event. (which I'm pretty sure most atheists agree on . . . )

That's like "Merry Christmas" being offensive. I wish everyone a Merry Christmas during the holiday season. . . not a "Happy Holiday", because I don't celebrate holiday. If I was told "Happy Hanukkah", I would say it right back.

The nativity, as commonly depicted, isn't even Biblically supported, much less historically supported.

People say the Holocaust didn't either.

by **Desperate Measures** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:37 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:A preference towards Christianity by the government isn't an important thing to worry about? I disagree.

When push comes to shove, I'm not really concerned. There's a big difference between putting up a Nativity scene (and logically, by extension Christmas decorations in general should be removed) and creating a real-world Republic of Gilead.

If I wanted to create a real-world Republic of Gilead, my first step would probably be to get as many religious symbols as possible in plain view.

by **Nationstatelandsville** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:37 pm

Moon Cows wrote:
Xsyne wrote:The nativity, as commonly depicted, isn't even Biblically supported, much less historically supported.

People say the Holocaust didn't either.

Wait, what?

Did you just manage to compare the birth of Jesus to the Holocaust?

Wow... I must applaud you for Achievements in Weird. :clap:

by **Norstal** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:37 pm

Moon Cows wrote:
Norstal wrote:It will in the long run.

It sends the message that it's good to have religion in our government. But, I'm sure you're the kind of person who wants that noting your previous posts, so, I won't waste my carpal tunnel integrity.

That's not what I want? lol. I want people to be able to express their religion freely, even in a courthouse.

Yes, which is why the atheist banner should be put up as well alongside the nativity scene, albeit with less offensive words. Something the commissioner doesn't want to do.

by **Conserative Morality** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:38 pm

Moon Cows wrote:People say the Holocaust didn't either.

lol

I don't really think the two are comparable.

by **Ceannairceach** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:38 pm

Moon Cows wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:A starving child in Africa praying, and receiving nothing?

...

OK, it may not portray what is mentioned in the banner, but it would look AMAZING.

That's not really even funny. . . at all.

I'm very interested in morbid art, and thus, I would be very much in love with such a sculpture if it was made correctly. Authentic-looking tears running down the cheeks, a look of absolute terror with faint hope...

But that's me. I can understand why you might find the idea repulsive.

by **Moon Cows** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:39 pm

Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:
Of course they do. But is a Nativity Scene inappropriate? It's just symbolizing an actual historical event. (which I'm pretty sure most atheists agree on . . . )

That's like "Merry Christmas" being offensive. I wish everyone a Merry Christmas during the holiday season. . . not a "Happy Holiday", because I don't celebrate holiday. If I was told "Happy Hanukkah", I would say it right back.

It's not really depicting a historic event (like a baby is born in such a glorious matter, messiah or not), and even if it is, how is it relevant to our country without endorsing a religion?

Glorious? LMFAO.

But, eh. You got me there. It does endorse the Christian religion; which perhaps Christians put up? A Church is for the public. . . and it endorses religion?

by **Simon Cowell of the RR** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:39 pm

This conversation is refreshing...
Y'all should see what they are saying on FOX News about this.

by **Norstal** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:39 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:People say the Holocaust didn't either.

lol

I don't really think the two are comparable.

No, they're comparable CM.

Although I forgot where "Mao's Cultural Revolution" is in the Bible. Might be under Luke or Revelations.

by **Norstal** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:40 pm

Simon Cowell of the RR wrote:This conversation is refreshing...
Y'all should see what they are saying on FOX News about this.

The first Article is Fox News, isn't it?

by **Conserative Morality** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:41 pm

Norstal wrote:No, they're comparable CM.

Although I forgot where "Mao's Cultural Revolution" is in the Bible. Might be under Luke or Revelations.

Revelations. My mother assures me it talks about people in helicopters ruling the world.

by **Moon Cows** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:41 pm

Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Moon Cows wrote:
People say the Holocaust didn't either.

Wait, what?

Did you just manage to compare the birth of Jesus to the Holocaust?

Wow... I must applaud you for Achievements in Weird.

I'm saying, you can deny fact if you want to. Doesn't make it a lie. :eyebrow:

I'm referring to Jesus being born in a manger. . . that's debatable? mmk.

by **Nationstatelandsville** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:41 pm

Moon Cows wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:
It's not really depicting a historic event (like a baby is born in such a glorious matter, messiah or not), and even if it is, how is it relevant to our country without endorsing a religion?

Glorious? LMFAO.

But, eh. You got me there. It does endorse the Christian religion; which perhaps Christians put up? A Church is for the public. . . and it endorses religion?

Yeah. Glorious. Three kings? Kind of important.

Yes, it does. Is it property of the government though? No. Is a courthouse? Yes. Does a private institution have to be secular? No. Does the government? Yes.

by **New Conglomerate** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:41 pm

Moon Cows wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Not really. But it's still against the Constitution. They have the right to protest it.

Of course they do. But is a Nativity Scene inappropriate? It's just symbolizing an actual historical event. (which I'm pretty sure most atheists agree on . . . )

That's like "Merry Christmas" being offensive. I wish everyone a Merry Christmas during the holiday season. . . not a "Happy Holiday", because I don't celebrate holiday. If I was told "Happy Hanukkah", I would say it right back.

Nobody's really offended by "Merry Christmas." It's just generally considered polite to say "Happy Holidays" if you don't know a person's faith or lack thereof.

by **Rio Cana** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:41 pm

So the infidels do not want a Chirstmas nativity scene on public property. So have a town vote. That should satifsy the infidels.

Time for a Christmas song :clap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wrc6Q7a ... re=related

by **Ceannairceach** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:42 pm

Vetalia wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:A starving child in Africa praying, and receiving nothing?

OK, it may not portray what is mentioned in the banner, but it would look AMAZING.

And then they could retaliate by showing Christian aid workers distributing food and medical care to starving children while the American Atheists do nothing but protest Nativity scenes in Central Texas. Game, set, match.

Because all Christians and all Atheists are the same as their religiously identical?

by **Emenah** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:42 pm

Moon Cows wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:
It's not really depicting a historic event (like a baby is born in such a glorious matter, messiah or not), and even if it is, how is it relevant to our country without endorsing a religion?

Glorious? LMFAO.

But, eh. You got me there. It does endorse the Christian religion; which perhaps Christians put up? A Church is for the public. . . and it endorses religion?

But a church is private property, the important part here is that the government shouldn't endorse any religion, since that is against the U.S. constitution.

by **Desperate Measures** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:42 pm

Moon Cows wrote:
Nationstatelandsville wrote:
Wait, what?

Did you just manage to compare the birth of Jesus to the Holocaust?

Wow... I must applaud you for Achievements in Weird.

I'm saying, you can deny fact if you want to. Doesn't make it a lie. I'm referring to Jesus being born in a manger. . . that's debatable? mmk.

On NSG?! That.... that practically IS the debate...

by **Norstal** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:42 pm

Rio Cana wrote:So the infidels do not want a Chirstmas nativity scene on public property. So have a town vote. That should satifsy the infidels.

Time for a Christmas song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wrc6Q7a ... re=related

You know who else calls people they hate "infidels"? Al-Qaeda.

I'll be contacting Homeland Security now.

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