Girlfriends' dads

[Kobeanare]

The first google hit was from... like seven months ago? I wonder if I searched "Rape in Lincoln Park" what the most recent one I'd get would be... maybe a week? Soon you'll be looking back to the eighteen hundreds for examples that you are right. Please, the fact that there is such a dearth of recent examples of your bizarre, contrived scenarios only further weakens your position.

This ignores that the rape would have to be reported (rapes as a whole often go unreported, female-on-male rape is likely to be even more humiliating and underreported), and that even if there is only one female rape of a male every seven months, that's still fairly fucking often.

[Kobeanare]

perhaps an amendment to the constitution? "All laws that apply to one race or one gender apply to every race and both genders,"

Yeah, so like the 14th amendment, except...um...

[Katganistan]

Women can and do rape men. I think you need to educate yourself. And there are indeed men who get regularly slapped around by their female companion.

I won't ask for a source. I want to hear your definition of rape, please.

Here.
And here.

And what "definition of rape" do you think is any different than forcing someone to have sex against their will?

[Katganistan]

Okay I would be really interested in seeing this source. Especially because, if they don't report it, I have no idea how we would know about it.

I can confirm that men are raped and abused by women. I work as a volunteer counselor for teenagers, and women on men abuse is common.

I have a feeling that'll fall on deaf ears as well.

[Katganistan]

Yeah, she took a TV antenna to me.

This brings up an interesting point, if in an abusive female-on-male relationship, is it considered 'okay' for the man to hit back in self defense? or would it be incorrect in all circumstances to hit a girl even if she was abusing you?

WTF?

When is defending yourself ever incorrect?

[Nightkill the Emperor]

I can confirm that men are raped and abused by women. I work as a volunteer counselor for teenagers, and women on men abuse is common.

I have a feeling that'll fall on deaf ears as well.

I'm sadly not surprised.

But we really ought to get off this discussion or make a new thread for it.

[Euronion]

perhaps an amendment to the constitution? "All laws that apply to one race or one gender apply to every race and both genders,"

Yeah, so like the 14th amendment, except...um...

except instead of just extending the right to vote, you'd be extending all crimes, punishments, ect. like Mr. Dugard that guy who kidnapped that girl and held her till her 30's, he got 320 yrs, his wife got only 32

[Euronion]

I am not sure if you were here for that Yu-Gi-Owe thread about the 11 yr old boy who got forcefully stripped by 3 girls, but it happened in around July of last year, they held down an 11 yr old boy and stripped him nude, posted the video on youtube, and then got no punishment, the mother refused to press charges they were girls, the police classified the sexual assault as a 'prank gone to far' and were about to rest the case until FOX News reported on it and called the District Attorney in Florida, If these reports that you provide are genuine, than we are facing a problem of our laws not keeping to pace with the changing role of women, perhaps an amendment to the constitution? "All laws that apply to one race or one gender apply to every race and both genders," I do not think that the man will be beaten into submission like in that one episode of "Sliders" but the law does need to be changed

I remember that, and you bring up an interesting point.

the Slider's episode or the thread? I can provide a link to either via telegram if you would like

[Kobeanare]

This brings up an interesting point, if in an abusive female-on-male relationship, is it considered 'okay' for the man to hit back in self defense? or would it be incorrect in all circumstances to hit a girl even if she was abusing you?

WTF?

When is defending yourself ever incorrect?

Depends on the definition of 'incorrect'. If the abuse isn't bad enough that you can just put up with it until the cops get there, that's probably the best route because, let's face it, most of the time you'll end up getting arrested because women aren't abusive. Plenty of jurisdictions have it as their policy, if not as an actual law, that on all domestic abuse calls the male is to be arrested, regardless of the circumstances.

[Kobeanare]

except instead of just extending the right to vote, you'd be extending all crimes, punishments, ect.

Which part of 'No State shall...deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws' specifies that it only applies to voting?

[Brasilya]

I remember that, and you bring up an interesting point.

the Slider's episode or the thread? I can provide a link to either via telegram if you would like

The thread.

[The Black Forrest]

I won't ask for a source. I want to hear your definition of rape, please.

Here.
And here.

And what "definition of rape" do you think is any different than forcing someone to have sex against their will?

When I was single I could never find these women.

*holds up a shield and blocks rocks, bottles, and tomatoes*

Yes that was a crass joke.

Seriously now. It happens. I didn't witness the act but I was at a party and a friends boyfriend passed out. We chucked him in his room(he and the room mates held the party).

Well long story short a girl performed an act on him.......

[Railia]

I don't. I don't think it's up to her current boyfriend/guyfriend/dudefriend either. If someone wants to be with someone, it's their decision, nobody else's.

Yes but that really is dependent on what they are willing to risk. If a woman's parents say stop dating them or pay for your own college that could be a pretty heavy factor. More simply even if the guy has the best intentions if he doesn't show those intentions he kills any future good will. You don't have to have permission but it makes things alot easier.

[Dakini]

Why do so many guys still think that it's up to a girl's father to decide if you are allowed to date her?

Because people like to harken back to the days when women were property owned by either their fathers or their husbands. How romantic.

Ladies, do your dads chase away would-be boyfriends, or did they chase away would-be boyfriends when you were younger?

Nope. I haven't lived with my parents (or in the same city as them) since the end of high school, so I'd have to be seeing someone for a while before they met any prospects. The first time my partner was over to properly meet my parents (the first time he met my parents was when my dad picked him up from the airport after winter break and drove us both back to the city we lived in at the time) my mom volunteered him for cooking dinner for the family and my dad probably played computer games most of the time.

I've never dated a guy who's been an asshole to my parents and my parents know well enough that their disapproval wouldn't get them anywhere so they don't seem to bother with that. If I had dated a guy who was an asshole to my parents, that would have been grounds for dumping his ass though.

[New England and The Maritimes]

I don't. I don't think it's up to her current boyfriend/guyfriend/dudefriend either. If someone wants to be with someone, it's their decision, nobody else's.

Yes but that really is dependent on what they are willing to risk. If a woman's parents say stop dating them or pay for your own college that could be a pretty heavy factor. More simply even if the guy has the best intentions if he doesn't show those intentions he kills any future good will. You don't have to have permission but it makes things alot easier.

Sounds like her problem is terrible parents, not me.

[Railia]

Yes but that really is dependent on what they are willing to risk. If a woman's parents say stop dating them or pay for your own college that could be a pretty heavy factor. More simply even if the guy has the best intentions if he doesn't show those intentions he kills any future good will. You don't have to have permission but it makes things alot easier.

Sounds like her problem is terrible parents, not me.

Granted the top example was harsh but the rest can be seen separately. And it doesn't seem like you disagree with any of it.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Sounds like her problem is terrible parents, not me.

Granted the top example was harsh but the rest can be seen separately. And it doesn't seem like you disagree with any of it.

If I don't like someone, I don't like them. They aren't deserving of special status based on who came out of the female of the two's uterus.

[Railia]

Granted the top example was harsh but the rest can be seen separately. And it doesn't seem like you disagree with any of it.

If I don't like someone, I don't like them. They aren't deserving of special status based on who came out of the female of the two's uterus.

Liking someone is one thing. Respecting them is another. And if you and the woman are in high school then chance are her parents influence how often you can see eachother, that power does decrease as she gets older but when she is younger can have a huge impact.

[Veblenia]

The last few women I've dated have either lost their fathers, or were estranged from them. I've had a lot more to worry about from husbands.

[Xeng He]

Here.
And here.

And what "definition of rape" do you think is any different than forcing someone to have sex against their will?

The one that includes age of consent laws and laws against getting people drunk and then, well, yeah?

You can talk about violation of consent, but it would be violation of consent in those two cases that is not done forcibly.

[The Black Plains]

That is fucking assault, it is irrelevant here, and it is far less frequent than dipshit teenage guys taking advantage of girls! God forbid that there are actual, physical differences between the genders! Oh no, that would be unthinkable! You people keep bringing out these ridiculous, obscure examples of how a girl could physically harm a guy, and frankly that proves my point that a man usually only has to worry for his physical well-being around a woman in these bizarre, contrived scenarios! Men take advantage of women! Men rape women! It is natural for fathers to be protective of their young girls. And your point about men being raped by women just raises a huge "whut?" Honestly when I read that I thought you might be insane. Not a little insane, like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest insane.

So men can't be raped? Ever? Never ever?

And women can't abuse men? Never ever?Ever?

I beg your pardon, but your sexism is showing.

No, I explicitly said that that sort of thing COULD happen. I was simply saying that it happens far more frequently to girls and thus fathers have understandable reason to be more concerned about who their young daughters date than who their young sons date. If my son dates a girl it would be unreasonable for me to wonder, "What would happen if she sexually abused him?" if it were my daughter, that would be more valid.

[Xeng He]

No, I explicitly said that that sort of thing COULD happen. I was simply saying that it happens far more frequently to girls and thus fathers have understandable reason to be more concerned about who their young daughters date than who their young sons date. If my son dates a girl it would be unreasonable for me to wonder, "What would happen if she sexually abused him?" if it were my daughter, that would be more valid.

Source, maybe?

[Dyakovo]

MODS AT WORK

Seriously, it's getting annoying that this is the third time action has to be taken to stop this from being threadjack'ed into talking about 4ST's viewpoints regarding sexuality.

Let's not go there again because next time I'm not going to just split off posts, I'll start in on posters.

You're going to split posters?

[Astholm]

It's interesting to mention this:

Nowadays, it's fathers who are more concerned about the girls/women their sons date, making the older version of this a <snipped due to being trope reference>. This is due to the influence of girl gangs and cougars (i.e. older women dating younger men),

Funny how things have turned around but have you ever seen this happen? I can't say I have, honestly. But it makes you wonder, doesn't it...

Saying that, although I'm single, if I ever do manage to date these days (busy work schedule etc. stopping it for now), I don't think this would happen with my family, but would it happen with yours? And the overprotective dad thing has never happened to me, though.

Source: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... tectiveDad

[SD_Film Artists]

Wow, I wonder how this thread turned into a subject of rape...