Girlfriends' dads

[New England and The Maritimes]

You're kidding, right?

I've known girls that are much stronger than my guy friends, and without necessarily looking like it. 99%> of the women I know could snap me like a twig (Although I'm something of a special case). Out of my three dating friends right now, in two of their relationships, I'd put money on the woman being stronger. There is plenty of room for abuse on either side of a relationship. =/

Anyone else here get their asses kicked by a girl before?

Yeah, she took a TV antenna to me.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

IIRC, female-on-male domestic violence is as common as male-on-female domestic violence -- except the offenders usually don't get punished because the victims are afraid to report it. Since "everyone knows" women can't really abuse men.

By contributing to the problems of violence against men and infantilisation of women, TBP's posts are representative of a dangerous social trend.

Okay I would be really interested in seeing this source. Especially because, if they don't report it, I have no idea how we would know about it.

I can confirm that men are raped and abused by women. I work as a volunteer counselor for teenagers, and women on men abuse is common.

[Euronion]

Well, mothers do have a lot to say about who their sons date. But also it isn't "sexism", it's just a difference of genders. I, as a father, would be less worried about my son dating a bad girl than I would be about my sweet girl dating a bad guy. What is the girl going to do to my son? Corrupt him somehow? But that guy could do awful things to my daughter. Just facing facts, guys are stronger than women. It's natural to be more protective of daughters because it's easier for a guy to take advantage of a girl than for a girl to take advantage of a guy. It just is.

You're kidding, right?

I've known girls that are much stronger than my guy friends, and without necessarily looking like it. 99%> of the women I know could snap me like a twig (Although I'm something of a special case). Out of my three dating friends right now, in two of their relationships, I'd put money on the woman being stronger. There is plenty of room for abuse on either side of a relationship. =/

I'm afraid it is written in the DNA and evolution, of course some women are stronger than men, this is because usually they play sports and have trained hard,DNA is, I'm afraid, not sexist, it has adapted to the needs of the species. This need has only changed in the last 100+ years, and it takes millions of years for widespread evolution to take place, it is unlikely that we will see this genetic difference change in the next thousand years or even the next ten thousand years. Of course though now it is more up to the individual, and with some women training harder than some men, it is understandable that some women will be stronger than some men, and if not a single man trained at all, and every single woman women did, than women would be stronger than men. You are correct that there is plenty of room on either side of the relationship, but I am a father and I am more concerned about the abuse of my girl than of my boy, mainly because the majority of abuse cases are directed towards women, not all, but the majority

[The Black Plains]

Women on average have less total muscle mass and less muscle mass to body mass. http://jap.physiology.org/content/71/2/644.abstract Boom. You are just wrong. Men are, on average 40% stronger than women in terms of upper body strength. Our bodies are more conducive to muscle growth. You are simply denying fact.

And as we all know, there's no such thing as a person who deviates from the average.
Seriously, educate yourself. You're making yourself look like a fool.

I've admitted that there are deviants! I am simply contending that men are, on average, physically stronger than women! Which that study supports! Drop the pedantic tone, read my posts, and get over yourself.

I said it HERE! viewtopic.php?p=7875775#p7875775

Don't pretend that I didn't acknowledge that there are deviants because that would make you a LIAR.

[The Black Plains]

You're kidding, right?

I've known girls that are much stronger than my guy friends, and without necessarily looking like it. 99%> of the women I know could snap me like a twig (Although I'm something of a special case). Out of my three dating friends right now, in two of their relationships, I'd put money on the woman being stronger. There is plenty of room for abuse on either side of a relationship. =/

I'm afraid it is written in the DNA and evolution, of course some women are stronger than men, this is because usually they play sports and have trained hard,DNA is, I'm afraid, not sexist, it has adapted to the needs of the species. This need has only changed in the last 100+ years, and it takes millions of years for widespread evolution to take place, it is unlikely that we will see this genetic difference change in the next thousand years or even the next ten thousand years. Of course though now it is more up to the individual, and with some women training harder than some men, it is understandable that some women will be stronger than some men, and if not a single man trained at all, and every single woman women did, than women would be stronger than men. You are correct that there is plenty of room on either side of the relationship, but I am a father and I am more concerned about the abuse of my girl than of my boy, mainly because the majority of abuse cases are directed towards women, not all, but the majority

No, science ebil. SCIENCE EBIL!

[Nightkill the Emperor]

I call that experience my girlfriend.

I was actually thinking about sparring Tae-Kwan-Do class. Damn that girl had a mean right hook.

My gf is a third-degree.

I'm a first, working to become second.

You can see the reason she can kick my ass.

[Euronion]

Anyone else here get their asses kicked by a girl before?

Yeah, she took a TV antenna to me.

This brings up an interesting point, if in an abusive female-on-male relationship, is it considered 'okay' for the man to hit back in self defense? or would it be incorrect in all circumstances to hit a girl even if she was abusing you?

[Kobeanare]

That is fucking assault, it is irrelevant here

I see. You don't want someone slapping your daughter around a bit, which isn't assault (apparently, though I don't see how it isn't), but if someone takes to your son with a cricket bat, it is assault, and is therefore okay.

That's messed up.

and it is far less frequent than dipshit teenage guys taking advantage of girls!

Source?

You people keep bringing out these ridiculous, obscure examples of how a girl could physically harm a guy, and frankly that proves my point that a man usually only has to worry for his physical well-being around a woman in these bizarre, contrived scenarios!

The existence of a cricket bat is a bizarre, contrived scenario? 40% of domestic assault cases are bizarre, contrived scenarios? What?

Men take advantage of women! Men rape women!

Women take advantage of men, too. They even rape men. Far less often, perhaps, but then how often do men rape women, really?

And your point about men being raped by women just raises a huge "whut?" Honestly when I read that I thought you might be insane. Not a little insane, like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest insane.

http://www.newzimbabwe.com/news-5040-Wo ... /news.aspx
http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-thre ... for-4-days
http://blogs.app.com/saywhat/2009/06/19 ... ng-10-men/
http://www.thelocal.se/12046/20080527/

All those were on the first page of a Google search.

[Euronion]

I'm afraid it is written in the DNA and evolution, of course some women are stronger than men, this is because usually they play sports and have trained hard,DNA is, I'm afraid, not sexist, it has adapted to the needs of the species. This need has only changed in the last 100+ years, and it takes millions of years for widespread evolution to take place, it is unlikely that we will see this genetic difference change in the next thousand years or even the next ten thousand years. Of course though now it is more up to the individual, and with some women training harder than some men, it is understandable that some women will be stronger than some men, and if not a single man trained at all, and every single woman women did, than women would be stronger than men. You are correct that there is plenty of room on either side of the relationship, but I am a father and I am more concerned about the abuse of my girl than of my boy, mainly because the majority of abuse cases are directed towards women, not all, but the majority

No, science ebil. SCIENCE EBIL!

[Brasilya]

Why do so many guys still think that it's up to a girl's father to decide if you are allowed to date her?

Because it is. /thread

Mabye you guys didn't hear me, / thread.

[Dvardis]

Men take advantage of women! Men rape women!

Women take advantage of men, too. They even rape men. Far less often, perhaps, but then how often do men rape women, really?

Once every six seconds or thereabouts. Again, iirc.

[Erinkita]

And as we all know, there's no such thing as a person who deviates from the average.
Seriously, educate yourself. You're making yourself look like a fool.

I've admitted that there are deviants! I am simply contending that men are, on average, physically stronger than women! Which that study supports! Drop the pedantic tone, read my posts, and get over yourself.

I've read your posts, and they're the posts of someone who has no idea what he's talking about.
Female-on-male abuse and rape happens. Today it is not uncommon for a woman to be physically stronger than a man, nor is it uncommon for a woman to have violent tendencies. You remind me of Queen Victoria, insisting that lesbians don't exist because women simply wouldn't do that sort of thing.

[Genivaria]

Yeah, she took a TV antenna to me.

This brings up an interesting point, if in an abusive female-on-male relationship, is it considered 'okay' for the man to hit back in self defense? or would it be incorrect in all circumstances to hit a girl even if she was abusing you?

Uh, you should defend yourself if your being attacked. Gender isn't really an issue for me.

[The Black Forrest]

While I suspect that the tradition does have sexist roots, it is the man who normally proposes to the woman and thus the man is the only one who is going to ask.

You "suspect"?

Really?

Yeah, we're done here.

Ahhh you are one of those "my way or the highway" types?

[The Black Plains]

That is fucking assault, it is irrelevant here

I see. You don't want someone slapping your daughter around a bit, which isn't assault (apparently, though I don't see how it isn't), but if someone takes to your son with a cricket bat, it is assault, and is therefore okay.

That's messed up.

and it is far less frequent than dipshit teenage guys taking advantage of girls!

Source?

You people keep bringing out these ridiculous, obscure examples of how a girl could physically harm a guy, and frankly that proves my point that a man usually only has to worry for his physical well-being around a woman in these bizarre, contrived scenarios!

The existence of a cricket bat is a bizarre, contrived scenario? 40% of domestic assault cases are bizarre, contrived scenarios? What?

Men take advantage of women! Men rape women!

Women take advantage of men, too. They even rape men. Far less often, perhaps, but then how often do men rape women, really?

And your point about men being raped by women just raises a huge "whut?" Honestly when I read that I thought you might be insane. Not a little insane, like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest insane.

http://www.newzimbabwe.com/news-5040-Wo ... /news.aspx
http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-thre ... for-4-days
http://blogs.app.com/saywhat/2009/06/19 ... ng-10-men/
http://www.thelocal.se/12046/20080527/

All those were on the first page of a Google search.

The first google hit was from... like seven months ago? I wonder if I searched "Rape in Lincoln Park" what the most recent one I'd get would be... maybe a week? Soon you'll be looking back to the eighteen hundreds for examples that you are right. Please, the fact that there is such a dearth of recent examples of your bizarre, contrived scenarios only further weakens your position.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Right then. Back on topic we go, folks. If you want to start a thread on who is or isn't the stronger sex, the one less or more likely to be abused, etc - go on and do it. Let's not keep up the derailment here with 'yuh-huh' and 'nuh-uh' back and forth for the next several hours, days, weeks. Thanks.

[New England and The Maritimes]

This brings up an interesting point, if in an abusive female-on-male relationship, is it considered 'okay' for the man to hit back in self defense? or would it be incorrect in all circumstances to hit a girl even if she was abusing you?

Uh, you should defend yourself if your being attacked. Gender isn't really an issue for me.

It was for me at the time, so I didn't really do much about it. She was also related to me, so I didn't much feel like hurting her anyway.

[Erinkita]

I see. You don't want someone slapping your daughter around a bit, which isn't assault (apparently, though I don't see how it isn't), but if someone takes to your son with a cricket bat, it is assault, and is therefore okay.

That's messed up.


Source?


The existence of a cricket bat is a bizarre, contrived scenario? 40% of domestic assault cases are bizarre, contrived scenarios? What?


Women take advantage of men, too. They even rape men. Far less often, perhaps, but then how often do men rape women, really?


http://www.newzimbabwe.com/news-5040-Wo ... /news.aspx
http://www.yelp.com/topic/new-york-thre ... for-4-days
http://blogs.app.com/saywhat/2009/06/19 ... ng-10-men/
http://www.thelocal.se/12046/20080527/

All those were on the first page of a Google search.

The first google hit was from... like seven months ago? I wonder if I searched "Rape in Lincoln Park" what the most recent one I'd get would be... maybe a week? Soon you'll be looking back to the eighteen hundreds for examples that you are right. Please, the fact that there is such a dearth of recent examples of your bizarre, contrived scenarios only further weakens your position.

http://www.physorg.com/news72113800.html
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

[Conserative Morality]

Oh no no, let me explain. I read it, I was just saying that I don't believe you is all. Minute differences. Right.

lol

How does it feel to still live in the 50s?

I'm afraid it is written in the DNA and evolution, of course some women are stronger than men, this is because usually they play sports and have trained hard,DNA is, I'm afraid, not sexist, it has adapted to the needs of the species. This need has only changed in the last 100+ years, and it takes millions of years for widespread evolution to take place, it is unlikely that we will see this genetic difference change in the next thousand years or even the next ten thousand years. Of course though now it is more up to the individual, and with some women training harder than some men, it is understandable that some women will be stronger than some men, and if not a single man trained at all, and every single woman women did, than women would be stronger than men. You are correct that there is plenty of room on either side of the relationship, but I am a father and I am more concerned about the abuse of my girl than of my boy, mainly because the majority of abuse cases are directed towards women, not all, but the majority

As I said in my other posts, differences in the modern day are more likely to be due to lifestyle choices rather than the minute differences caused by sex.

[Euronion]

This brings up an interesting point, if in an abusive female-on-male relationship, is it considered 'okay' for the man to hit back in self defense? or would it be incorrect in all circumstances to hit a girl even if she was abusing you?

Uh, you should defend yourself if your being attacked. Gender isn't really an issue for me.

"My female cousin slapped me, in an attempt to defend myself I slapped her really hard, so hard in fact that she fell on the ground and started crying"
try giving that report to the police, see if they believe you, I have a strong feeling that they will not

[Centropyge]

My ex-girlfriend's dad gave me what was practically a "marriage interview" over email as soon as I expressed to her a desire to be in a relationship. Of course, I cooperated since a) I really liked her and b) I believed that we had similar religious views and I was confident I could pass. Keep in mind that at the time, I was twenty and she was almost three years older than I...we were both in grad school.

The relationship ended a year and a half later, in part--perhaps mostly because--my parents didn't approve of her, I did not handle myself firmly enough under the circumstances, and her parents were concerned about the situation. I subsequently went through a "screw it all" phase, but I suspect I would still respect a dad's traditional role and accord both a prospective wife and her family a high degree of respect.

If I find another girl, of course.

[Katganistan]

That is fucking assault, it is irrelevant here, and it is far less frequent than dipshit teenage guys taking advantage of girls! God forbid that there are actual, physical differences between the genders! Oh no, that would be unthinkable! You people keep bringing out these ridiculous, obscure examples of how a girl could physically harm a guy, and frankly that proves my point that a man usually only has to worry for his physical well-being around a woman in these bizarre, contrived scenarios! Men take advantage of women! Men rape women! It is natural for fathers to be protective of their young girls. And your point about men being raped by women just raises a huge "whut?" Honestly when I read that I thought you might be insane. Not a little insane, like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest insane.

So men can't be raped? Ever? Never ever?

And women can't abuse men? Never ever?Ever?

I beg your pardon, but your sexism is showing.

[Railia]

It's sort of an honor thing.

That kind of honor is for sexist chumps.

No i would argue that kind of honor is for people that want to know the guy has good intentions. Like it or not men can be very protective of the women in their families and are brought up to keep them safe. If the guy isn't upfront than it is often assumed they have poor intentions and are using the woman. Sure the woman can choose for her self but, the father can also choose to hurt the guy.

It would really be nice if this topic didnt get locked because its interesting/fun as it is without going on rants about which is the stronger sex.

[Euronion]

The first google hit was from... like seven months ago? I wonder if I searched "Rape in Lincoln Park" what the most recent one I'd get would be... maybe a week? Soon you'll be looking back to the eighteen hundreds for examples that you are right. Please, the fact that there is such a dearth of recent examples of your bizarre, contrived scenarios only further weakens your position.

http://www.physorg.com/news72113800.html
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

I am not sure if you were here for that Yu-Gi-Owe thread about the 11 yr old boy who got forcefully stripped by 3 girls, but it happened in around July of last year, they held down an 11 yr old boy and stripped him nude, posted the video on youtube, and then got no punishment, the mother refused to press charges they were girls, the police classified the sexual assault as a 'prank gone to far' and were about to rest the case until FOX News reported on it and called the District Attorney in Florida, If these reports that you provide are genuine, than we are facing a problem of our laws not keeping to pace with the changing role of women, perhaps an amendment to the constitution? "All laws that apply to one race or one gender apply to every race and both genders," I do not think that the man will be beaten into submission like in that one episode of "Sliders" but the law does need to be changed

[Brasilya]

http://www.physorg.com/news72113800.html
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

I am not sure if you were here for that Yu-Gi-Owe thread about the 11 yr old boy who got forcefully stripped by 3 girls, but it happened in around July of last year, they held down an 11 yr old boy and stripped him nude, posted the video on youtube, and then got no punishment, the mother refused to press charges they were girls, the police classified the sexual assault as a 'prank gone to far' and were about to rest the case until FOX News reported on it and called the District Attorney in Florida, If these reports that you provide are genuine, than we are facing a problem of our laws not keeping to pace with the changing role of women, perhaps an amendment to the constitution? "All laws that apply to one race or one gender apply to every race and both genders," I do not think that the man will be beaten into submission like in that one episode of "Sliders" but the law does need to be changed

I remember that, and you bring up an interesting point.