Girlfriends' dads

[Katganistan]

What I don't understand is the sexism here. How come men are free to date who ever they want but women can't. By the way, that post was from age 14+.
Btw, in some countries IRL, 16 is a legal adult!

Well, mothers do have a lot to say about who their sons date. But also it isn't "sexism", it's just a difference of genders. I, as a father, would be less worried about my son dating a bad girl than I would be about my sweet girl dating a bad guy. What is the girl going to do to my son? Corrupt him somehow? But that guy could do awful things to my daughter. Just facing facts, guys are stronger than women. It's natural to be more protective of daughters because it's easier for a guy to take advantage of a girl than for a girl to take advantage of a guy. It just is. Facing goddamn facts is not sexism. The same is true for women serving in the army. It's not sexism to say "women should not have combat positions". Women are not as strong as men and when you need to drag a comrade to safety that is the difference between living and fucking dying. They should at least be held to the same physical standards.

And... legal adult? "If thou dost liveth under mine roof, thou shalt follow mine edicts."

Yeaaaaaah, because women can't be dangerous psychos, and women also can't be competent and defend themselves.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

as for the second part of your comment, I agree with you that women are not property, and I was not the one claiming that they were

I don't recall attributing it to you either, so ... there you go.

[Euronion]

as for the second part of your comment, I agree with you that women are not property, and I was not the one claiming that they were

I don't recall attributing it to you either, so ... there you go.

ok good, just making sure because you quoted me while you were saying it

[Conserative Morality]

Well, mothers do have a lot to say about who their sons date. But also it isn't "sexism", it's just a difference of genders. I, as a father, would be less worried about my son dating a bad girl than I would be about my sweet girl dating a bad guy. What is the girl going to do to my son? Corrupt him somehow? But that guy could do awful things to my daughter. Just facing facts, guys are stronger than women. It's natural to be more protective of daughters because it's easier for a guy to take advantage of a girl than for a girl to take advantage of a guy. It just is.

You're kidding, right?

I've known girls that are much stronger than my guy friends, and without necessarily looking like it. 99%> of the women I know could snap me like a twig (Although I'm something of a special case). Out of my three dating friends right now, in two of their relationships, I'd put money on the woman being stronger. There is plenty of room for abuse on either side of a relationship. =/

[Railia]

So there are a few possibilities as to why the man you are dating is doing this:

The guy I'm dating now actually hasn't brought it up, and it's not something I'd expect him to do. I made this thread because there was another dating-related thread where people were telling the OP he needed to find out if the girl's father was OK with them dating, if the dad had a gun, etc. and it reminded me of some past experiences I've had with paranoid boyfriends.

Not a terribly unfounded fear. For practical purposes our father doesn't have much say and is in a different state. So when a older guy started dating my sister and they weren't upfront/honest/respectful about it, me and my brother went into a bet of a protective rage. It is a honor/respect thing. This is my family you mess with my family ill break you. So I would say while not always needed it is smart because even though I know I didn't really have a say and she'd date who she wanted it was up to him to do the honorable thing. That way he doesn't spend the next two years staying away from you. Hell my mom came around sooner than us and made food as a sort of peace offering he refused to eat it for awhile afraid it was poisoned. Men in my family are brought up protect the family. Both from real threats and disrespect. I wouldn't say it is so much a father thing than a male protectionist thing. And a respect thing.

It doesn't have to be for any other reason than if the family sees the guy as not having good intentions=baseball to the kneecaps

[Euronion]

Well, mothers do have a lot to say about who their sons date. But also it isn't "sexism", it's just a difference of genders. I, as a father, would be less worried about my son dating a bad girl than I would be about my sweet girl dating a bad guy. What is the girl going to do to my son? Corrupt him somehow? But that guy could do awful things to my daughter. Just facing facts, guys are stronger than women. It's natural to be more protective of daughters because it's easier for a guy to take advantage of a girl than for a girl to take advantage of a guy. It just is. Facing goddamn facts is not sexism. The same is true for women serving in the army. It's not sexism to say "women should not have combat positions". Women are not as strong as men and when you need to drag a comrade to safety that is the difference between living and fucking dying. They should at least be held to the same physical standards.

And... legal adult? "If thou dost liveth under mine roof, thou shalt follow mine edicts."

Yeaaaaaah, because women can't be dangerous psychos, and women also can't be competent and defend themselves.

He means to say that the majority aren't, and he means to say that the boy could do more harm to a girl without the use of weapons and abuse her, and last time I checked a woman can't really rape a man unless it is statutory. The fact is that a lot more women than men are in abusive relationships. I am not being sexist here or saying that girls cannot handle themselves, but we as fathers like to take precautions and prevent any abuse, better be safe than sorry

[The Black Plains]

Well, mothers do have a lot to say about who their sons date. But also it isn't "sexism", it's just a difference of genders. I, as a father, would be less worried about my son dating a bad girl than I would be about my sweet girl dating a bad guy. What is the girl going to do to my son? Corrupt him somehow? But that guy could do awful things to my daughter. Just facing facts, guys are stronger than women. It's natural to be more protective of daughters because it's easier for a guy to take advantage of a girl than for a girl to take advantage of a guy. It just is.

You're kidding, right?

I've known girls that are much stronger than my guy friends, and without necessarily looking like it. 99%> of the women I know could snap me like a twig (Although I'm something of a special case). Out of my three dating friends right now, in two of their relationships, I'd put money on the woman being stronger. There is plenty of room for abuse on either side of a relationship. =/

HANG ON! Speaking on average, men are stronger than women. Are there special cases? Sure. But the fact that, on average, that assumption is correct, is enough to justify fathers being protective of their daughters! Anyone who denies that the average male is stronger than the average female may as well deny that the sky is blue and the grass is green. You people are being ridiculous!

[The Black Plains]

Well, mothers do have a lot to say about who their sons date. But also it isn't "sexism", it's just a difference of genders. I, as a father, would be less worried about my son dating a bad girl than I would be about my sweet girl dating a bad guy. What is the girl going to do to my son? Corrupt him somehow? But that guy could do awful things to my daughter. Just facing facts, guys are stronger than women. It's natural to be more protective of daughters because it's easier for a guy to take advantage of a girl than for a girl to take advantage of a guy. It just is. Facing goddamn facts is not sexism. The same is true for women serving in the army. It's not sexism to say "women should not have combat positions". Women are not as strong as men and when you need to drag a comrade to safety that is the difference between living and fucking dying. They should at least be held to the same physical standards.

And... legal adult? "If thou dost liveth under mine roof, thou shalt follow mine edicts."

Yeaaaaaah, because women can't be dangerous psychos, and women also can't be competent and defend themselves.

I addressed that earlier. Guys can abuse girls more easily than girls can abuse guys. Physically at least. You're being unreasonable and you know you are. Knock it off. Really. The average man is stronger than the average woman. To deny that is ludicrous.

[Genivaria]

Well, mothers do have a lot to say about who their sons date. But also it isn't "sexism", it's just a difference of genders. I, as a father, would be less worried about my son dating a bad girl than I would be about my sweet girl dating a bad guy. What is the girl going to do to my son? Corrupt him somehow? But that guy could do awful things to my daughter. Just facing facts, guys are stronger than women. It's natural to be more protective of daughters because it's easier for a guy to take advantage of a girl than for a girl to take advantage of a guy. It just is.

You're kidding, right?

I've known girls that are much stronger than my guy friends, and without necessarily looking like it. 99%> of the women I know could snap me like a twig (Although I'm something of a special case). Out of my three dating friends right now, in two of their relationships, I'd put money on the woman being stronger. There is plenty of room for abuse on either side of a relationship. =/

Anyone else here get their asses kicked by a girl before?

[Katganistan]

Yeaaaaaah, because women can't be dangerous psychos, and women also can't be competent and defend themselves.

He means to say that the majority aren't, and he means to say that the boy could do more harm to a girl without the use of weapons and abuse her, and last time I checked a woman can't really rape a man unless it is statutory. The fact is that a lot more women than men are in abusive relationships. I am not being sexist here or saying that girls cannot handle themselves, but we as fathers like to take precautions and prevent any abuse, better be safe than sorry

Women can and do rape men. I think you need to educate yourself. And there are indeed men who get regularly slapped around by their female companion.

[The Black Plains]

What is the worst that a girl could do to my son?

Not being a complete jackass, I don't really know.

The only thing I'd have to be worried about in regard to his physical well-being

Because the rest of his well-being is irrelevant?

Guys can do things that take advantage of the fact that they are physically stronger than females. That is called rape and it happens.

It happens to men, too.

What if they're out drinking and he has too much? What if he wants her to do something that she doesn't want to do? In the case of a son... it's less of a concern.

Bullshit.

How the hell can a girl physically abuse a guy?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/ ... c-violence

Two seconds of Googling.

That is fucking assault, it is irrelevant here, and it is far less frequent than dipshit teenage guys taking advantage of girls! God forbid that there are actual, physical differences between the genders! Oh no, that would be unthinkable! You people keep bringing out these ridiculous, obscure examples of how a girl could physically harm a guy, and frankly that proves my point that a man usually only has to worry for his physical well-being around a woman in these bizarre, contrived scenarios! Men take advantage of women! Men rape women! It is natural for fathers to be protective of their young girls. And your point about men being raped by women just raises a huge "whut?" Honestly when I read that I thought you might be insane. Not a little insane, like One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest insane.

[Katganistan]

Yeaaaaaah, because women can't be dangerous psychos, and women also can't be competent and defend themselves.

I addressed that earlier. Guys can abuse girls more easily than girls can abuse guys. Physically at least. You're being unreasonable and you know you are. Knock it off. Really. The average man is stronger than the average woman. To deny that is ludicrous.

I am not being unreasonable just because you don't agree with me. I am not being ludicrous because you don't agree with me.If you can't talk to me without being condescending as well as stating flat out ignorant crap, then don't.

[Conserative Morality]

HANG ON! Speaking on average, men are stronger than women. Are there special cases? Sure. But the fact that, on average, that assumption is correct, is enough to justify fathers being protective of their daughters! Anyone who denies that the average male is stronger than the average female may as well deny that the sky is blue and the grass is green. You people are being ridiculous!

I think 'special cases' are far more common than you make them. From this post:

I, as a father, would be less worried about my son dating a bad girl than I would be about my sweet girl dating a bad guy. What is the girl going to do to my son? Corrupt him somehow? But that guy could do awful things to my daughter. Just facing facts, guys are stronger than women. It's natural to be more protective of daughters because it's easier for a guy to take advantage of a girl than for a girl to take advantage of a guy. It just is.

You act as though a girl couldn't be stronger or even simply more violent than your son, while freaking out over what could happen to your daughter. You finish up this segment of the post because "[ i ]t's easier" for a guy to abuse a girl than vice-versa because, uh, well, womenfolk are weaker than men, and that's just the way it is.

In the past, this might have been a bit more true due to minute differences in natural muscle development between men and women combined with a general societal distaste for women in the sort of activity that would develop significant strength. But the fact is, modern divides are more likely to be centered around personal lifestyle choices than around sex.

[The Black Plains]

He means to say that the majority aren't, and he means to say that the boy could do more harm to a girl without the use of weapons and abuse her, and last time I checked a woman can't really rape a man unless it is statutory. The fact is that a lot more women than men are in abusive relationships. I am not being sexist here or saying that girls cannot handle themselves, but we as fathers like to take precautions and prevent any abuse, better be safe than sorry

Women can and do rape men. I think you need to educate yourself. And there are indeed men who get regularly slapped around by their female companion.

I won't ask for a source. I want to hear your definition of rape, please.

[Katganistan]

You're kidding, right?

I've known girls that are much stronger than my guy friends, and without necessarily looking like it. 99%> of the women I know could snap me like a twig (Although I'm something of a special case). Out of my three dating friends right now, in two of their relationships, I'd put money on the woman being stronger. There is plenty of room for abuse on either side of a relationship. =/

Anyone else here get their asses kicked by a girl before?

I've kicked one or two in my time.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

You're kidding, right?

I've known girls that are much stronger than my guy friends, and without necessarily looking like it. 99%> of the women I know could snap me like a twig (Although I'm something of a special case). Out of my three dating friends right now, in two of their relationships, I'd put money on the woman being stronger. There is plenty of room for abuse on either side of a relationship. =/

Anyone else here get their asses kicked by a girl before?

I call that experience my girlfriend.

[Dvardis]

He means to say that the majority aren't, and he means to say that the boy could do more harm to a girl without the use of weapons and abuse her, and last time I checked a woman can't really rape a man unless it is statutory. The fact is that a lot more women than men are in abusive relationships. I am not being sexist here or saying that girls cannot handle themselves, but we as fathers like to take precautions and prevent any abuse, better be safe than sorry

Women can and do rape men. I think you need to educate yourself. And there are indeed men who get regularly slapped around by their female companion.

IIRC, female-on-male domestic violence is as common as male-on-female domestic violence -- except the offenders usually don't get punished because the victims are afraid to report it. Since "everyone knows" women can't really abuse men.

By contributing to the problems of violence against men and infantilisation of women, TBP's posts are representative of a dangerous social trend.

[The Black Plains]

HANG ON! Speaking on average, men are stronger than women. Are there special cases? Sure. But the fact that, on average, that assumption is correct, is enough to justify fathers being protective of their daughters! Anyone who denies that the average male is stronger than the average female may as well deny that the sky is blue and the grass is green. You people are being ridiculous!

I think 'special cases' are far more common than you make them. From this post:

I, as a father, would be less worried about my son dating a bad girl than I would be about my sweet girl dating a bad guy. What is the girl going to do to my son? Corrupt him somehow? But that guy could do awful things to my daughter. Just facing facts, guys are stronger than women. It's natural to be more protective of daughters because it's easier for a guy to take advantage of a girl than for a girl to take advantage of a guy. It just is.

You act as though a girl couldn't be stronger or even simply more violent than your son, while freaking out over what could happen to your daughter. You finish up this segment of the post because "[ i ]t's easier" for a guy to abuse a girl than vice-versa because, uh, well, womenfolk are weaker than men, and that's just the way it is.

In the past, this might have been a bit more true due to minute differences in natural muscle development between men and women combined with a general societal distaste for women in the sort of activity that would develop significant strength. But the fact is, modern divides are more likely to be centered around personal lifestyle choices than around sex.

Women on average have less total muscle mass and less muscle mass to body mass. http://jap.physiology.org/content/71/2/644.abstract Boom. You are just wrong. Men are, on average 40% stronger than women in terms of upper body strength. Our bodies are more conducive to muscle growth. You are simply denying fact.

[The Black Plains]

Women can and do rape men. I think you need to educate yourself. And there are indeed men who get regularly slapped around by their female companion.

IIRC, female-on-male domestic violence is as common as male-on-female domestic violence -- except the offenders usually don't get punished because the victims are afraid to report it. Since "everyone knows" women can't really abuse men.

By contributing to the problems of violence against men and infantilisation of women, TBP's posts are representative of a dangerous social trend.

Okay I would be really interested in seeing this source. Especially because, if they don't report it, I have no idea how we would know about it.

[Kobeanare]

last time I checked a woman can't really rape a man unless it is statutory

Then I suggest you check again.

The fact is that a lot more women than men are in abusive relationships.

That makes no sense. Regardless of who is doing the abusing, they're both in the abusive relationship.

As for the claim you were trying to make...see the article I posted earlier pointing out that 40% of domestic abuse victims are male.

And, of course, there's always the fact that physical abuse is far from the only possible concern.

[Erinkita]

I think 'special cases' are far more common than you make them. From this post:

You act as though a girl couldn't be stronger or even simply more violent than your son, while freaking out over what could happen to your daughter. You finish up this segment of the post because "[ i ]t's easier" for a guy to abuse a girl than vice-versa because, uh, well, womenfolk are weaker than men, and that's just the way it is.

In the past, this might have been a bit more true due to minute differences in natural muscle development between men and women combined with a general societal distaste for women in the sort of activity that would develop significant strength. But the fact is, modern divides are more likely to be centered around personal lifestyle choices than around sex.

Women on average have less total muscle mass and less muscle mass to body mass. http://jap.physiology.org/content/71/2/644.abstract Boom. You are just wrong. Men are, on average 40% stronger than women in terms of upper body strength. Our bodies are more conducive to muscle growth. You are simply denying fact.

And as we all know, there's no such thing as a person who deviates from the average.
Seriously, educate yourself. You're making yourself look like a fool.

[Genivaria]

Anyone else here get their asses kicked by a girl before?

I call that experience my girlfriend.

I was actually thinking about sparring Tae-Kwan-Do class. Damn that girl had a mean right hook.

[The Black Plains]

Anyone else here get their asses kicked by a girl before?

I've kicked one or two in my time.

I mean I would never condone violence on either side. I believe that people should interact with each other in a certain way and violence is not conducive to that.

[Conserative Morality]

Women on average have less total muscle mass and less muscle mass to body mass. http://jap.physiology.org/content/71/2/644.abstract Boom. You are just wrong. Men are, on average 40% stronger than women in terms of upper body strength. Our bodies are more conducive to muscle growth. You are simply denying fact.

In the past, this might have been a bit more true due to minute differences in natural muscle development between men and women combined with a general societal distaste for women in the sort of activity that would develop significant strength. But the fact is, modern divides are more likely to be centered around personal lifestyle choices than around sex.

Do you often not read posts, or just not mine?

[The Black Plains]

Women on average have less total muscle mass and less muscle mass to body mass. http://jap.physiology.org/content/71/2/644.abstract Boom. You are just wrong. Men are, on average 40% stronger than women in terms of upper body strength. Our bodies are more conducive to muscle growth. You are simply denying fact.

In the past, this might have been a bit more true due to minute differences in natural muscle development between men and women combined with a general societal distaste for women in the sort of activity that would develop significant strength. But the fact is, modern divides are more likely to be centered around personal lifestyle choices than around sex.

Do you often not read posts, or just not mine?

Oh no no, let me explain. I read it, I was just saying that I don't believe you is all. Minute differences. Right.