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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:35 am

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he DID.

i looked it up to make sure it was peter he was talking to and it turns out that he said it twice. in matthew he was talking to peter, which gives us the more common usage of saying that to people who are tempting us to something we really ought not do, and in luke he said it to satan at the end of his journey in the desert.

Tsk. Matthew and Luke obviously did not have the same editor.

yeah usually they use the same or similar phrases in the same story. quote drift to different stories is much more rare.
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Postby Gamhound » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:45 am

I you just hate athiests that are openly against christianity they're so rude
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Postby DaWoad » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:47 am

Gamhound wrote:I you just hate athiests that are openly against christianity they're so rude

hm?
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Postby Copenhagen Metropolis » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:58 am

OP's flag is funny. Ironic, but funny.

And for Christianity; as with all other religions, I'd rather be without. Not that it's a huge problem in Denmark though. As far as I'm aware of I only (personally) know one Christian. But on a more global scale, I still think the world would be a better place without religion.

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Postby Vorond » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:01 am

Gamhound wrote:I you just hate athiests that are openly against christianity they're so rude


This may be redundant, but before you insult something you should perhaps learn to spell it first.
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Postby Ragnarsdomr » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:10 am

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Gamhound wrote:I you just hate athiests that are openly against christianity they're so rude


This may be redundant, but before you insult something you should perhaps learn to spell it first.


No, 'I' and 'you' hate the athiest of the atheists. The ones that are so rude that they're openly against Christianity. Don't you know those types?
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Postby Vorond » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:23 am

Ragnarsdomr wrote:
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This may be redundant, but before you insult something you should perhaps learn to spell it first.


No, 'I' and 'you' hate the athiest of the atheists. The ones that are so rude that they're openly against Christianity. Don't you know those types?


I find a few things I dislike in christianity (and all major religions for that matter) myself, but I fail to see how that fact automatically implies that I am rude. I dislike any kind of dogmatism, be it pro- or contra- the god-hypothesis. So far the contras have a multitude of evidence, but I personally simple do not care for the answer. What I really dislike is people proselytizing me, regardless of their specific persuasion. An atheist trying to get me away from my agnostoc stance is just as annoying as a reborn christian trying the same.
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Postby Bluth Corporation » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:26 am

Copenhagen Metropolis wrote:OP's flag is funny. Ironic, but funny.

Not sure why. What do you think they were doing in the Book of Acts?

How about the Harmonists, Tolstoyans, Hutterites, Shakers, Levellers, the Munster Anabaptists, or the Mormon Law of Consecration?
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Postby Orihime » Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:59 am

I see it as my old religion, and I usually have neglect and disdain for my old beliefs.

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Postby Meridiani Planum » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:05 am

Nornalhorst wrote:Nation States what is your opinion on Christianity? (no crazy flame wars please)


It's a mixed bag, neither wonderful nor terrible. I'm mainly disappointed by the way that the Bible demonizes atheists, and how much it can interfere with scientific thought.
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Postby Distruzio » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:58 am

Ashmoria wrote:when jesus says to peter "get thee behind me satan" he must have had some idea in mind as to exactly what satan was. when he wandered in the desert and was tempted by satan there must have been some traditional idea of satan that underlay the story that readers would understand who this satan guy was.


Why aren't more of those cynical towards Christianity as observant as you, Ash? Yes, there was a specific manner in which Christ was referring to Satan when he responded to Peter. In that context Satan is the conformist, the modernist, the self-righteous - each a term appropriately used to describe those Jews that Christ criticized and none of whom were willing to suffer for the Faith. Peter, who implored Christ to flee, lest he suffer, was seeking the easy way out of the coming events. Satan had, momentarily, gripped his mind and turned him against Christ. Peter allowed his will to come before his consideration for Gods will. Gods will, in this event, was that Christ should suffer if necessary for the Faith. It was necessary, but it was not (I personally think) a forgone conclusion.
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Postby Norstal » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:02 pm

Gamhound wrote:I you just hate athiests that are openly against christianity they're so rude

Your grammar assaults my eyes. It is therefore you who are rude.
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Postby Norstal » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:06 pm

Nornalhorst wrote:Christianity (from the Ancient Greek word Χριστός, Khristos, "Christ", literally "anointed one") is a monotheistic religion and the most widely followed religion on Earth (accounting for about 1/3 of the human population) based on the life and teachings of Jesus as presented in canonical gospels and other New Testament writings. Christianity teaches that Jesus is the Son of God, God having become human and the saviour of humanity.

Nation States what is your opinion on Christianity? (no crazy flame wars please)

I treat it like any other fictional story that has ever came out from the human mind.

Fellow Christians how did you discover Christianity? Also what particular Church or denomination are you a part of, and what are some of your individual beliefs?

I might be atheist, but apparently I'm still Catholic by technicality. I really need to get myself excommunicated. :(

I'm surprised at the number of Christians who were brought up in the religion as a child. This is not good as it implies religious indoctrination, as these people are forced to be Christians.
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Postby The Blazed Imperials » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:14 pm

Christianity is great and I was bought up in a athiestic-agnostic family. It is great that I have found it and I know that God is real and guides me. I don't care what anyone thinks I beleive it goes into the scientific agenda. When I grow older I would like to attend a orthodox church and teach myself more about Jesus Christ and understand the scripture more.

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Postby Vecherd » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:16 pm

I would prefer if the religion of Christianity never came to Europe, ruining the European culture and replacing the Norse Individualist idea with Collectivist Christianity. Not much to do with that now sadly, any person opposing Islam is a fool not to opposing Christianity too as Christianity did the exact same thing they claim Islam is doing now. So I am basically against Christian Imperialism and Christianity outside the Middle East. But I have nothing against the modern Christians.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:20 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:when jesus says to peter "get thee behind me satan" he must have had some idea in mind as to exactly what satan was. when he wandered in the desert and was tempted by satan there must have been some traditional idea of satan that underlay the story that readers would understand who this satan guy was.


Why aren't more of those cynical towards Christianity as observant as you, Ash? Yes, there was a specific manner in which Christ was referring to Satan when he responded to Peter. In that context Satan is the conformist, the modernist, the self-righteous - each a term appropriately used to describe those Jews that Christ criticized and none of whom were willing to suffer for the Faith. Peter, who implored Christ to flee, lest he suffer, was seeking the easy way out of the coming events. Satan had, momentarily, gripped his mind and turned him against Christ. Peter allowed his will to come before his consideration for Gods will. Gods will, in this event, was that Christ should suffer if necessary for the Faith. It was necessary, but it was not (I personally think) a forgone conclusion.

its a very ... relatable...moment. his best friend suggests to him to take the easy way out as if he really were satan back in the desert with jesus.

we all have those moments where we have to resist our friends bad suggestions.

but there isnt all that much in the bible about satan. the NT seems to have a very strong concept of this character but it doesnt come from the OT. satan is barely in the OT. where did this idea of satan as a personal tempter come from?
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Postby Norstal » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:25 pm

The Blazed Imperials wrote:Christianity is great and I was bought up in a athiestic-agnostic family. It is great that I have found it and I know that God is real and guides me. I don't care what anyone thinks I beleive it goes into the scientific agenda. When I grow older I would like to attend a orthodox church and teach myself more about Jesus Christ and understand the scripture more.

Scientific agenda?

You dun goofed. What's the scientific agenda?
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Postby Halgrond » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:50 pm

I have been raised in a christian family, and we go to a church called Reformation Fellowship. It is a unique church that doesn't really fall into any denomination. We do not have very many rituals there. We just just sing, have announcements and then a "sermon" which we don't really call a sermon.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:05 pm

Halgrond wrote:I have been raised in a christian family, and we go to a church called Reformation Fellowship. It is a unique church that doesn't really fall into any denomination. We do not have very many rituals there. We just just sing, have announcements and then a "sermon" which we don't really call a sermon.

Sounds like heresy to me.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:15 pm

My mother - on my grandma's request, she is devout - got my brother and I to take communion in the Catholic church (I was 8 and he was 7, we didn't know any better nor did we care). After that, everyone in my family simply turned to atheism (except for my mom, who is a non-practicant Catholic). So technically I'm a renegade heretic.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:22 pm

Samuraikoku wrote:My mother - on my grandma's request, she is devout - got my brother and I to take communion in the Catholic church (I was 8 and he was 7, we didn't know any better nor did we care). After that, everyone in my family simply turned to atheism (except for my mom, who is a non-practicant Catholic). So technically I'm a renegade heretic.

No, technically you're an atheist. A heretic is someone who still believes but believes differently than the mainstream, approved doctrine.
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Postby Samuraikoku » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:23 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Samuraikoku wrote:My mother - on my grandma's request, she is devout - got my brother and I to take communion in the Catholic church (I was 8 and he was 7, we didn't know any better nor did we care). After that, everyone in my family simply turned to atheism (except for my mom, who is a non-practicant Catholic). So technically I'm a renegade heretic.

No, technically you're an atheist. A heretic is someone who still believes but believes differently than the mainstream, approved doctrine.


The fundamentalist believers would still hate me anyway. :P

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:32 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:No, technically you're an atheist. A heretic is someone who still believes but believes differently than the mainstream, approved doctrine.


The fundamentalist believers would still hate me anyway. :P

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Postby Sunny Marionette » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:36 pm

Christianity is a religion that, like all religion, can be used for more harm than good. I believe that it's intentions are good, but that the teachings of Christianity in general do not significantly improve the world (especially since the main thing Christians are supposed to do is convert others to their belief system). While I don't believe all Christians are bad people, because of personal experience I will say that I think the majority have the tendency to teabag others with their belief systems, and that friendly discussions on religion can turn into a "fire and brimstone" form of harassment.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:41 pm

Sunny Marionette wrote:Christianity is a religion that, like all religion, can be used for more harm than good. I believe that it's intentions are good, but that the teachings of Christianity in general do not significantly improve the world (especially since the main thing Christians are supposed to do is convert others to their belief system). While I don't believe all Christians are bad people, because of personal experience I will say that I think the majority have the tendency to teabag others with their belief systems, and that friendly discussions on religion can turn into a "fire and brimstone" form of harassment.

You don't think that loving others, treating them well - as you would yourself be treated - are good? I wonder what you think Christians are taught to believe. As for converting others, no, that's not the main thing Christians are supposed to do. The main thing is worshiping Jesus and God and following the rules for living laid down by them.
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