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Do you want a European Federation?

Yes
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46%
No
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45%
Maybe - Debate
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Voltairian Prospects
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Re: Oppose the Unification of Europe?

Postby Voltairian Prospects » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:34 am

I'm liking the idea of a unified Europe, there are too many countries bickering like children on this planet for my taste.
I am beginning to think the fewer countries we have, the better off we would be... although... just because just because they are unified doesn't mean there won't be a civil war or two over small things like beliefs, culture, money, countries being "cheated" because a "lack of Favor"... that sort of thing.
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Buccaneers FC
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Re: Oppose the Unification of Europe?

Postby Buccaneers FC » Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:54 am

Imperialist Reich wrote:Do you oppose the Lisbon treaty? The soon coming: United States of Europe and the European Union?
Please debate.
Personally, I despise it.
Here is my reason:

The EU's dream has been to take our independence away from each European country right from the start. This can cause outrage from patriots. (like me)
The made the British people be depressed by showing the speech by Winston Churchill saying there should be a United States of Europe. However, the EU does not show that Churchill also stated Britain should not be part of it.
Dosnt it ever make you angry that about over 50% of nations rules are made in Brussels instead of our own government?
And also, the police have the right to shoot without prosecuting the criminal!

Does any of those wage you in the way to support the EU?


NO. EU stands for free trade. Which I also oppose. But not for "unification" of Europe. For it's sole purpose. Which is free trade. Which I hate.
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Re: Oppose the Unification of Europe?

Postby Angleter » Sun Sep 06, 2009 9:10 am

I am against EUnification, firstly as statistics show that we put in more than we get out of it, secondly as it is about as democratic as Russia (see Juan Manuel Barroso, EU Commission President, who is unopposed for a second term), thirdly as it would strip away what's left of our sovereignty, and finally because within a few decades it would probably fall apart in a bloody civil war most likely between France and Germany.
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Re: Oppose the Unification of Europe?

Postby Krypton-Zod » Sun Sep 06, 2009 11:10 am

Voltairian Prospects wrote:I'm liking the idea of a unified Europe, there are too many countries bickering like children on this planet for my taste.
I am beginning to think the fewer countries we have, the better off we would be... although... just because just because they are unified doesn't mean there won't be a civil war or two over small things like beliefs, culture, money, countries being "cheated" because a "lack of Favor"... that sort of thing.


Don't worry, France won't play ball in any EU federation, unless France gets to run the show.
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Imperialist Reich
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Postby Imperialist Reich » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:00 am

Ooo, its quiet now. Maybe people have started to shut up and go with the poll results!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Buffett and Colbert
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:02 am

Imperialist Reich wrote:Ooo, its quiet now. Maybe people have started to shut up and go with the poll results!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


Do I smell fail?
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Postby Phenia » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:03 am

Imperialist Reich wrote:Ooo, its quiet now. Maybe people have started to shut up and go with the poll results!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


Heh yeah, the NSG poll - very important, to the EU, I'm sure.
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Dzvasdvsdv
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Founded: Sep 05, 2009
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Postby Dzvasdvsdv » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:04 am

Imperialist Reich wrote:Ooo, its quiet now. Maybe people have started to shut up and go with the poll results!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


Yep, NSG polls accurately reflect the opinion/beliefs/feelings of the real world population.
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Exilia and Colonies
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Postby Exilia and Colonies » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:06 am

Imperialist Reich wrote:Ooo, its quiet now. Maybe people have started to shut up and go with the poll results!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


Like the European Union would follow the results of a forum poll in a forum with more Americans than any other country.
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Imperialist Reich
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Postby Imperialist Reich » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:12 am

Buffett and Colbert wrote:
Imperialist Reich wrote:Ooo, its quiet now. Maybe people have started to shut up and go with the poll results!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


Do I smell fail?


Yep, I failed. The EU failed. Our Economy failed.
We are buggered
Who else failed?
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Buffett and Colbert
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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:15 am

Imperialist Reich wrote:Yep, I failed.

Indeed
Imperialist Reich wrote:The EU failed.

Not yet.
Imperialist Reich wrote: Our Economy failed.

Unrelated but most probably.
Imperialist Reich wrote:We are buggered

Depends who you are.
Imperialist Reich wrote:Who else failed?

Dunno. You seem to be on a role. How about you tell me.
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Buffett and Colbert wrote:Clever, but your Jedi mind tricks don't work on me.

His Jedi mind tricks are insignificant compared to the power of Buffy's sex appeal.
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Buffett and Colbert wrote:My law class took my virginity. And it was 100% consensual.

I accuse your precious law class of statutory rape.
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Dzvasdvsdv
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Postby Dzvasdvsdv » Mon Sep 07, 2009 11:17 am

Imperialist Reich wrote:Yep, I failed. The EU failed. Our Economy failed.
We are buggered
Who else failed?


You. Fairly painfully.
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Maurepas
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Postby Maurepas » Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:25 pm

I think there should be a United Europe, you dont lose your cultural identity because of it, ask anyone from the Southeastern United States, they'll tell you, ;)
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Milks Empire
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Postby Milks Empire » Mon Sep 07, 2009 4:27 pm

It depends on whether or not they want it, and whether or not they can agree upon terms on which to base it. In short, it's really up to them.
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Cabra West
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Postby Cabra West » Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:05 am

Hating-Silly-Fascists wrote:I've got no problem with heavy involvement in the EU, but I believe that all the states should remain individual. As a Scottish nationalist, I want our government to control our affairs, not someone in London, or even further afield. I do however consider myself a European as well (though not British oddly enough) and I believe that the EU is a vital organisation.


Pretty much this ^^

I'm happy enough for the EU to form a close federation of nations, I'm very much in favour of open borders and common policies, and I'm even willing to endure the buerocracy needed to manage all this.
It will never be a centralised nation state, so I've no worries at all there. :)
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Cabra West
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Postby Cabra West » Tue Sep 08, 2009 4:08 am

Imperialist Reich wrote:Ooo, its quiet now. Maybe people have started to shut up and go with the poll results!
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


54% in favour or potentially in favour?
I can live with that. You?
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Hessingen
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Postby Hessingen » Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:16 pm

meh
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