Revolution

[Archnar]

Revolution

Communist, Socialist or Anarchist how would a revolution occure?
The Russian Revolution showed a revolution could occure in a quick bloadless and painless process (Nobody was seriously injured or killed). However the Chinies civil war was something very different with 1000s dieing on both sides.

Here's how I believe a true revolution should occure.
Education:Break through the propaganda and show the people the actuall merit of the alternatives.Organise meetings, use the Internet and get the public involved.A revolution will not occure if people still believe propaganda or are ignorant to what you propose.

Crisis:As the past system fails and crisis begines the new systems gain interest a global consciousness will emerge.

Protests:People will stand up for there freedoms and demand change.

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Revolution

Communist, Socialist or Anarchist how would a revolution occure?
The Russian Revolution showed a revolution could occure in a quick bloadless and painless process (Nobody was seriously injured or killed). However the Chinies civil war was something very different with 1000s dieing on both sides.

Here's how I believe a true revolution should occure.
Education:Break through the propaganda and show the people the actuall merit of the alternatives.Organise meetings, use the Internet and get the public involved.A revolution will not occure if people still believe propaganda or are ignorant to what you propose.

Crisis:As the past system fails and crisis begines the new systems gain interest a global consciousness will emerge.

Protests:People will stand up for there freedoms and demand change.

REALLY? Not ONE person? Are you absolutely sure about that?

[Ceannairceach]

The Russian Revolution showed a revolution could occure in a quick bloadless and painless process (Nobody was seriously injured or killed).

I doth protest in the name of the Russian Imperial family!

[New Sapienta]

Ha, the russian revolution was nowhere near bloodless.

[Aesthetica]

The Russian Revolution showed a revolution could occure in a quick bloadless and painless process (Nobody was seriously injured or killed).

You must have missed the storming of the Winter Palace...
Maybe the current Czar and his family have home video they could show you... Oh Wait!
They were all executed...

Can't have a proper revolution without violence, sweep and clear, cleanse and burn. when it gets bad enough in a country that a revolution is needed, then it's bad enough that violence against the old order is also needed. A need to hunt them down and get rid of them, once and for all.

[Lackadaisical2]

Ha, the russian revolution was nowhere near bloodless.

That was all the fault of counter revolutionary scum, obv.

The Russian Revolution showed a revolution could occure in a quick bloadless and painless process (Nobody was seriously injured or killed).

You must have missed the storming of the Winter Palace...
Maybe the current Czar and his family have home video they could show you... Oh Wait!
They were all executed...

But... not Anastasia, Disney told me so!

[Nightkill the Emperor]

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right, all right

[Meowfoundland]

The Russian Revolution showed a revolution could occure in a quick bloadless and painless process (Nobody was seriously injured or killed).

I'm glad to know that the civil war in Russia that lasted for 6 years didn't have a single casualty, and the Romanovs lived through it. Unless maybe you're talking about 1991, and yes, people died during that too (or at least the short lived GKChP coup).

[The Murtunian Tribes]

Ha, the russian revolution was nowhere near bloodless.

Yest it was. All smotherings.

[Ragnarsdomr]

Revolution

Communist, Socialist or Anarchist how would a revolution occure?
The Russian Revolution showed a revolution could occure in a quick bloadless and painless process (Nobody was seriously injured or killed). However the Chinies civil war was something very different with 1000s dieing on both sides.

Ha. Ahahahaha. Oh, that's priceless. I'm sure the Kadets and the Romanovs would love to talk to you about what happened. Unless we're to assume that democratic and/or monarchic individuals aren't really people. The Chinese civil war was something very different, but not because of bloodlessness, but rather because the Nationalists weren't caught unawares and straight up murdered by the Communists.

Here's how I believe a true revolution should occure.
Education:Break through the propaganda and show the people the actuall merit of the alternatives.Organise meetings, use the Internet and get the public involved.A revolution will not occure if people still believe propaganda or are ignorant to what you propose.

Or, they might simply disagree with you. Or it might succeed if they're believing falsehoods organized by left-wing organizations. Leftism is not a self-evident ideology.

Crisis:As the past system fails and crisis begines the new systems gain interest a global consciousness will emerge.

Alternatively, we could look at the fall of Rome, Persia, and Alexander's empires, where they split up into opposing power blocs that had differing or conflicting interests. Yes, new ideas may occur, but crises do not automatically generate 'unity'; often, because of the assumed urgency of the crisis, they generate opposition between groups that have a different view of how to proceed.

Protests:People will stand up for there freedoms and demand change.

Something which has been happening since time immemorial. Again, as above, this is not exclusive to leftist viewpoints, and does not necessarily result in a change of government. One can rail at the government all they want, but unless a large enough power bloc rises to enforce this change, it doesn't matter at all. For example, look at the Provisional Government in Russia versus the Bolsheviks. Guess who was more able to secure the fall of the Romanovs and the rise of their power? Hint: It's the group that led to the Holodomor.

[New Sapienta]

Ha, the russian revolution was nowhere near bloodless.

Yest it was. All smotherings.

Pillows must of sold like crazy.

Wait, sold, it must of all been done by the uber evil capitalists!

[Conserative Morality]

The Russian Revolution showed a revolution could occure in a quick bloadless and painless process (Nobody was seriously injured or killed).

The White Army disagrees. In fact, the people purged by the Bolsheviks disagree too.

[Farnhamia]

Yest it was. All smotherings.

Pillows must of sold like crazy.

Wait, sold, it must of all been done by the uber evil capitalists!

I's a little known fact that the White Russians were originally called the White Sale Russians because of the huge number of pillow cases they bought in January of 1918.

[Korintar]

Revolution

Communist, Socialist or Anarchist how would a revolution occure?
The Russian Revolution showed a revolution could occure in a quick bloadless and painless process (Nobody was seriously injured or killed). However the Chinies civil war was something very different with 1000s dieing on both sides.

Here's how I believe a true revolution should occure.
Education:Break through the propaganda and show the people the actuall merit of the alternatives.Organise meetings, use the Internet and get the public involved.A revolution will not occure if people still believe propaganda or are ignorant to what you propose.

Crisis:As the past system fails and crisis begines the new systems gain interest a global consciousness will emerge.

Protests:People will stand up for there freedoms and demand change.

As a one time member of the one of the largest leftist regions in NationStates history (the International Communist Union under Thria and Minyos), I must say that the Russian Revolution was truly a bloodbath, as was the Chinese, American, and French Revolutions. There are few bloodless revolutions, however I agree with you about the importance of education. I reject the principle of "propaganda of the deed," as it tends to justify violence, which in turn is used as propaganda by the established order to oppress a revolutionary movement. What I much more prefer is what I call "propaganda of the life"- let your entire life reflect your committment to the establishment of a new order. Prove your model can, indeed, work by setting up alternative institutions based upon those principles, up to the level of entire towns, if possible, and encourage those living and working under the framework of these institutions to show charity and respect to those still living and working under the established order. This will lead them to join your movement to demolish the old order. However, for the old order to be demolished, there must be crises that can be traced to the established institutions and protests against those institutions. Considering we are facing crises, now is the prime time for revolution. The ideology with the most completed groundwork and the strongest motivation to be organized enough to instigate it will carry the banner of the future. So, in short, I agree with your ideas of how to stage a successful revolution.

[Hollorous]

If you want to get technical, the Bolsheviks did knock out the Provisional Government with minimal violence. So that aspect of the revolution was pretty bloodless (and unexpectedly easy).

It was the ensuing civil war and accompany terror campaigns (both red and white) that ranks as one of the ten or twenty bloodiest conflicts of all time.

[Ragnarsdomr]

If you want to get technical, the Bolsheviks did knock out the Provisional Government with minimal violence. So that aspect of the revolution was pretty bloodless (and unexpectedly easy).

It was the ensuing civil war and accompany terror campaigns (both red and white) that ranks as one of the ten or twenty bloodiest conflicts of all time.

Eh, I haven't read anything in-depth on the Russian Revolution for four years, so forgive me for being somewhat wrong.

[Natapoc]

The Russian Revolution showed a revolution could occure in a quick bloadless and painless process (Nobody was seriously injured or killed).

The White Army disagrees. In fact, the people purged by the Bolsheviks disagree too.

Do you think he could be talking about a different Russian revolution? For example, the one in which the USSR was broken up? It was certainly a revolution in Russia and it was mostly bloodless as far as revolutions go.

[Alyakia]

If you want to get technical, the Bolsheviks did knock out the Provisional Government with minimal violence. So that aspect of the revolution was pretty bloodless (and unexpectedly easy).

It was the ensuing civil war and accompany terror campaigns (both red and white) that ranks as one of the ten or twenty bloodiest conflicts of all time.

Seperating the revolution and defending the revolution (an inherent part of it) really is a stupid technicaly point.

[Hippostania]

Revolution

Communist, Socialist or Anarchist how would a revolution occure?
The Russian Revolution showed a revolution could occure in a quick bloadless and painless process (Nobody was seriously injured or killed). However the Chinies civil war was something very different with 1000s dieing on both sides.

Here's how I believe a true revolution should occure.
Education:Break through the propaganda and show the people the actuall merit of the alternatives.Organise meetings, use the Internet and get the public involved.A revolution will not occure if people still believe propaganda or are ignorant to what you propose.

Crisis:As the past system fails and crisis begines the new systems gain interest a global consciousness will emerge.

Protests:People will stand up for there freedoms and demand change.

How about no?

I'd like a revolution where true Americans would overthrow the socialists and liberals from government and re-found America it was truly based on. That is, pursuit for happiness, in the US and abroad. And that means interventions to dictatorships like Iran.

[Alyakia]

Revolution

Communist, Socialist or Anarchist how would a revolution occure?
The Russian Revolution showed a revolution could occure in a quick bloadless and painless process (Nobody was seriously injured or killed). However the Chinies civil war was something very different with 1000s dieing on both sides.

Here's how I believe a true revolution should occure.
Education:Break through the propaganda and show the people the actuall merit of the alternatives.Organise meetings, use the Internet and get the public involved.A revolution will not occure if people still believe propaganda or are ignorant to what you propose.

Crisis:As the past system fails and crisis begines the new systems gain interest a global consciousness will emerge.

Protests:People will stand up for there freedoms and demand change.

How about no?

I'd like a revolution where true Americans would overthrow the socialists and liberals from government and re-found America it was truly based on. That is, pursuit for happiness, in the US and abroad. And that means interventions to dictatorships like Iran.

In 1953 America and the UK intervented in Iran with the express purpose of CREATING a dictatorship and I will haunt you for the rest of your life everywhere you post to remind you of this everytime you talk about how much you want other people to invade countries for you while you sit in your house wishing Sweden would invade. Your interventions will go wrong. Every time.

[Forster Keys]

Revolution

Communist, Socialist or Anarchist how would a revolution occure?
The Russian Revolution showed a revolution could occure in a quick bloadless and painless process (Nobody was seriously injured or killed). However the Chinies civil war was something very different with 1000s dieing on both sides.

Here's how I believe a true revolution should occure.
Education:Break through the propaganda and show the people the actuall merit of the alternatives.Organise meetings, use the Internet and get the public involved.A revolution will not occure if people still believe propaganda or are ignorant to what you propose.

Crisis:As the past system fails and crisis begines the new systems gain interest a global consciousness will emerge.

Protests:People will stand up for there freedoms and demand change.

How about no?

I'd like a revolution where true Americans would overthrow the socialists and liberals from government and re-found America it was truly based on. That is, pursuit for happiness, in the US and abroad. And that means interventions to dictatorships like Iran.

Like slavery and limited male suffrage? Progress FTW.

[Forster Keys]

How about no?

I'd like a revolution where true Americans would overthrow the socialists and liberals from government and re-found America it was truly based on. That is, pursuit for happiness, in the US and abroad. And that means interventions to dictatorships like Iran.

In 1953 America and the UK intervented in Iran with the express purpose of CREATING a dictatorship and I will haunt you for the rest of your life everywhere you post to remind you of this everytime you talk about how much you want other people to invade countries for you while you sit in your house wishing Sweden would invade. Your interventions will go wrong. Every time.

You lie! Mosaddegh was a dirty Red! Oil had nothing to do with it!

[Conserative Morality]

Do you think he could be talking about a different Russian revolution? For example, the one in which the USSR was broken up? It was certainly a revolution in Russia and it was mostly bloodless as far as revolutions go.

Even then, his claim that no one was seriously injured or killed would be false. The dissolution of the USSR might have been tame as far as breakups of massive authoritarian states get, but there were still a number of injuries and deaths.

[Alyakia]

Do you think he could be talking about a different Russian revolution? For example, the one in which the USSR was broken up? It was certainly a revolution in Russia and it was mostly bloodless as far as revolutions go.

Even then, his claim that no one was seriously injured or killed would be false. The dissolution of the USSR might have been tame as far as breakups of massive authoritarian states get, but there were still a number of injuries and deaths.

420 shell the (russian) white house with tanks everyday

[Conserative Morality]

In 1953 America and the UK intervented in Iran with the express purpose of CREATING a dictatorship and I will haunt you for the rest of your life everywhere you post to remind you of this everytime you talk about how much you want other people to invade countries for you while you sit in your house wishing Sweden would invade. Your interventions will go wrong. Every time.

In 1941, America began an intervention with the UK with the purpose of stopping a number of oppressive dictatorships. In 1950, America began an intervention with the UN in order to protect an at least nominally democratic state from the aggressive actions of a communist puppet. In 2001, America intervened against the Taliban, an oppressive and theocratic group, in Afghanistan in order to support the democratic aims of the Northern Alliance.