Feminist type.

[Four-sided Triangles]

"Women shouldn't have sex or be sex objects. They should have self-respect, and empower themselves by becoming successful in business, medicine, law, academia, politics, etc.."

"How dare you! You hate women!"

This is the problem with you modern sex-positive types.

[Norstal]

"Women shouldn't have sex or be sex objects. They should have self-respect, and empower themselves by becoming successful in business, medicine, law, academia, politics, etc.."

"How dare you! You hate women!"

This is the problem with you modern sex-positive types.

Ever thought that maybe women not having sex reduces their self-respect and empowerment?

[Xsyne]

Saying that women who have sex don't have self-respect is pretty goddamn misogynist. As is saying women who have sex can't be successful in business, medicine, law, academia, politics, etc.

[Dakini]

"Women shouldn't have sex or be sex objects. They should have self-respect, and empower themselves by becoming successful in business, medicine, law, academia, politics, etc.."

"How dare you! You hate women!"

This is the problem with you modern sex-positive types.

I don't see how this is a problem. You're treating women like we're children and patronizing us. I don't see how this is much better than "Women shouldn't have jobs, they should stay at home and pop out babies all day." because really, at the end of the day you're still a man telling women what we should be doing.

Even if you were a woman, telling women what they should be doing is offensive. It's just a bit worse because you have male privilege to go along with your sanctimonious remarks.

I mean, why don't you think that I have self-respect because I enjoy sex as well as doing science, for instance?

[Four-sided Triangles]

Saying that women who have sex don't have self-respect is pretty goddamn misogynist. As is saying women who have sex can't be successful in business, medicine, law, academia, politics, etc.

I never said either one. However, I do think that having sex is a sign of less self-reliance than celibacy. Having sex shows a dependency on others.

[Four-sided Triangles]

I mean, why don't you think that I have self-respect because I enjoy sex as well as doing science, for instance?

I think you have less self-respect than you could have. If you never had sex or a relationship, you could focus all the extra time on doing more science, and thus being even more successful.

[The Congregationists]

How is perfection undesirable? It's the only possible reason for being, to strive toward becoming as perfect as possible.

Newsflash: You're not perfect.

I know. That's the problem that needs fixing.

So that's it ...

He's channeling "Nomad" from that old Star Trek episode "The Changeling"



That which is imperfect must be sterilized!

[Norstal]

I never said either one. However, I do think that having sex is a sign of less self-reliance than celibacy. Having sex shows a dependency on others.

Such as the purpose of humans. Cause, you know, we're social animals. Once you take sex away from women, they're not women anymore.

And yes, humanity sucks, but we are who we are. Pouting about it is irrational.

[The Black Forrest]

I mean, why don't you think that I have self-respect because I enjoy sex as well as doing science, for instance?

I think you have less self-respect than you could have. If you never had sex or a relationship, you could focus all the extra time on doing more science, and thus being even more successful.

Now only if we could get rid of that damn need for sleep and eating. MORE SCIENCE!

[Farnhamia]

I never said either one. However, I do think that having sex is a sign of less self-reliance than celibacy. Having sex shows a dependency on others.

Such as the purpose of humans. Cause, you know, we're social animals. Once you take sex away from women, they're not women anymore.

And yes, humanity sucks, but we are who we are. Pouting about it is irrational.

No, humanity doesn't suck. Individual members of the race might, but on the whole, we're okay. But yeah, pouting is ineffective, unless you're two years old or younger, in which case it might be cute.

[The Black Forrest]

I never said either one. However, I do think that having sex is a sign of less self-reliance than celibacy. Having sex shows a dependency on others.

Such as the purpose of humans. Cause, you know, we're social animals. Once you take sex away from women, they're not women anymore.

And yes, humanity sucks, but we are who we are. Pouting about it is irrational.

You say humanity sucks like it's a bad thing.

[Dakini]

I mean, why don't you think that I have self-respect because I enjoy sex as well as doing science, for instance?

I think you have less self-respect than you could have.

And you would be wrong.

If you never had sex or a relationship, you could focus all the extra time on doing more science, and thus being even more successful.

Self-respect != successful career

I don't respect myself because I do good work. I have a whole host of reasons to have self-respect and self-esteem. Without self-respect and self-esteem, I would not even be here to do work.

Also, independent of my relationship, I am still a person who worries and stresses and sometimes doesn't know the best way to go about things. While I can talk to my supervisor about some issues and my friends about others, my partner is also in science and my partner knows me better than most people do. He's often much better at helping me through problems I'm having with issues I find difficult to discuss with other people. Similarly, when he is troubled, I help him as best I can. And if we were living on the same continent, it would be even better. Having someone else to look after cooking while you do a few last minute things for work or trading off (e.g. he cooks dinner, I prepare lunch for tomorrow) saves time and effort on something you'd otherwise have to do for yourself anyway. Being in a relationship makes a lot of things about life easier so I can concentrate better on work.

Oh, and by the way if you want to know who convinced me to apply for grad school: that would be my partner. I thought I wouldn't get in, he encouraged me to try anyway.

[Dakini]

I think you have less self-respect than you could have. If you never had sex or a relationship, you could focus all the extra time on doing more science, and thus being even more successful.

Now only if we could get rid of that damn need for sleep and eating. MORE SCIENCE!

Lucky he's wrong. I don't know a single tenured professor who isn't in a long term relationship.

[Norstal]

No, humanity doesn't suck. Individual members of the race might, but on the whole, we're okay. But yeah, pouting is ineffective, unless you're two years old or younger, in which case it might be cute.

You say humanity sucks like it's a bad thing.

I meant that was his argument; we should transcend into a higher being because our current state sucks.

And yes Black Forrest, humanity does suck, but at least it puts out. *nods*

[Four-sided Triangles]

Now only if we could get rid of that damn need for sleep and eating. MORE SCIENCE!

What's so funny about eliminating biological needs with science?

[The Black Forrest]

Now only if we could get rid of that damn need for sleep and eating. MORE SCIENCE!

Lucky he's wrong. I don't know a single tenured professor who isn't in a long term relationship.

Indeed. Even Dr. Goodall found time to get a husband and have a child and *SHOCK* still do her research.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Lucky he's wrong. I don't know a single tenured professor who isn't in a long term relationship.

They're too old fashioned. Relationships are a thing of the past and will soon become obsolete.

[Dakini]

Lucky he's wrong. I don't know a single tenured professor who isn't in a long term relationship.

They're too old fashioned. Relationships are a thing of the past and will soon become obsolete.

I don't see that happening.

[Dakini]

Lucky he's wrong. I don't know a single tenured professor who isn't in a long term relationship.

Indeed. Even Dr. Goodall found time to get a husband and have a child and *SHOCK* still do her research.

Yeah. Who would have thought that having someone to help you through life would help you concentrate on your research?

[Four-sided Triangles]

I don't see that happening.

Just wait until transhumanism comes along in the next few centuries.

[Dakini]

I don't see that happening.

Just wait until transhumanism comes along in the next few centuries.

Yeah, so you wait for something that won't happen until after we're all dead (if at all) and I'll go live and love in the present.

And by the way, you're still wrong about women, self-respect and sex.

[Farnhamia]

I think you have less self-respect than you could have. If you never had sex or a relationship, you could focus all the extra time on doing more science, and thus being even more successful.

Now only if we could get rid of that damn need for sleep and eating. MORE SCIENCE!

Can't help with eating, but sleeping, now ...

[The Black Forrest]

I don't see that happening.

Just wait until transhumanism comes along in the next few centuries.

Not really.

The point where it can develop to what your are thinking will take centuries after it starts.

Even then; only so many would be interested. It's not going to replace much.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Yeah, so you wait for something that won't happen until after we're all dead (if at all) and I'll go live and love in the present.

And by the way, you're still wrong about women, self-respect and sex.

All relationships turn sour, all love dies. Then, you'll just use the secrets you learned from intimacy to destroy each other's lives.

Friendship and love can only lead to betrayal and suffering.

[Dakini]

Yeah, so you wait for something that won't happen until after we're all dead (if at all) and I'll go live and love in the present.

And by the way, you're still wrong about women, self-respect and sex.

All relationships turn sour, all love dies. Then, you'll just use the secrets you learned from intimacy to destroy each other's lives.

Friendship and love can only lead to betrayal and suffering.

Bullshit. You're just afraid to take a chance on people so you tell yourself this to rationalize and justify your fears.