Feminist type.

[Dakini]

Newsflash: You're not perfect.

I know. That's the problem that needs fixing.

You didn't address other two most recent posts I made.

Also, I fail to see how your sacrifice of happiness has made you more perfect. You haven't explained it at all.

[The Rich Port]

It's certainly desirable, but it's just not possible.

If perfection were all we strived for, we'd probably be more miserable than we are already, and that's saying a lot.

The universe isn't perfect, life isn't perfect, and our most perfect people are still imperfect.

IMO, it would take me a few trillion years to reach perfection, and even then I wouldn't want it.

Misery is a fair price. Happiness just gets in the way of self-betterment.

If perfection isn't possible, then you spent your whole life being miserable trying to achieve something that is cosmologically impossible.

That's like diving into a black hole thinking Heaven is on the other side of the event horizon.

If you think you can do this, you need a humility check.

[Tlaceceyaya]

If you had 1% of the science backing up you're ideas as the vegan movement has I'd be interested. But you've still not shown any science that actually backs up your assertions.

HIV exists. Pregnancy exists. Condoms don't always work.

1: Yes, and so does the flu. Does that mean you should avoid all human contact?
2: Yes, and most people view it as a wonderful thing. It brings new life into the world; a whole new life to experience the joys and pains of existence.
3: Neither do vaccines.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Monogamy exists. STD tests exist.

1. How can I trust them to always be monogamous?

2. STD tests produce false negatives on occasion, you know.

The pill exists. IUDs exist. Sponges exist. Diaphraghms exist. You know you can use more than one form of birth control at once, yes?
Oh plus: Sometimes women want to be pregnant.

1. Other than abortion, these can all fail, and many are unpleasant. Abortion is also an unpleasant and psychologically troubling experience.

2. They only want to be pregnant in order to reproduce. Externalized reproduction would fix this.

The morning after pill exists. Backup methods of birth control exist. *yawn*

Plus, you've already made the point that you're even opposed to sex that involves two women... so I don't see how any of these issues concern lesbians (the HIV transmission rate for girl-on-girl action is like 0, lesbians can't get pregnant from having sex with other women and lesbians probably aren't using condoms).

Sex between two women can still potentially transmit some diseases. Besides, I still don't believe that sex and love are simultaneously compatible. They are non-commuting operators.

Still, lesbians are the least bad of a bad thing.

[Norstal]

How is perfection undesirable? It's the only possible reason for being, to strive toward becoming as perfect as possible.

And then what?

[The Rich Port]

How is perfection undesirable? It's the only possible reason for being, to strive toward becoming as perfect as possible.

And then what?

You enjoy it.

Or you hate it, if misery comes along with it.

And you're never satisfied.

THE END.

[Four-sided Triangles]

1: Yes, and so does the flu. Does that mean you should avoid all human contact?
2: Yes, and most people view it as a wonderful thing. It brings new life into the world; a whole new life to experience the joys and pains of existence.
3: Neither do vaccines.

1. I tend to avoid human contact anyway. I can't trust other people to be properly hygienic. They're all disease farms, as far as I'm concerned.

2. But the pregnancy itself sucks.

3. Not quite a perfect analogy. Vaccines are good for everyone who isn't allergic. They help at all times. Condoms are only necessary because we have sex.

[Four-sided Triangles]

And then what?

You never get to perfection, so there is no "Then what?" to be had.

[The Rich Port]

And then what?

You never get to perfection, so there is no "Then what?" to be had.

... So why are you even bothering?

Normally, I'd expect you to make the "it's the journey, not the destination" argument, which I guess would be OK, but YOUR journey involves isolating yourself from everyone that can make the journey interesting.

[Dakini]

Monogamy exists. STD tests exist.

1. How can I trust them to always be monogamous?

2. STD tests produce false negatives on occasion, you know.

1. You develop trust.
2. False positives are more common.

The pill exists. IUDs exist. Sponges exist. Diaphraghms exist. You know you can use more than one form of birth control at once, yes?
Oh plus: Sometimes women want to be pregnant.

1. Other than abortion, these can all fail, and many are unpleasant. Abortion is also an unpleasant and psychologically troubling experience.

2. They only want to be pregnant in order to reproduce. Externalized reproduction would fix this.

1. The failure rate on all of these is low and when combined with one of more forms of birth control (e.g. the pill + spermicidal sheets + condom) you're pretty much not going to get pregnant. Not every woman experiences abortion as a psychologically troubling experience and even if they did, who do you think you are to tell women they should not take these risks anyway? We're big girls, we can take care of ourselves, thank you very much. If I want to go sky diving, I don't want you to try and tell me I shouldn't. I'm perfectly capable of taking care of myself and making my own decisions, thank you very much. Please refrain from patronizing me and acting like you know what's best for me when you clearly don't.
2. It doesn't need to be fixed. As much as it would be convenient, I'm fine with the idea of getting pregnant eventually (and actually, a few women I know have experienced pregnancy as a positive experience).

The morning after pill exists. Backup methods of birth control exist. *yawn*

Plus, you've already made the point that you're even opposed to sex that involves two women... so I don't see how any of these issues concern lesbians (the HIV transmission rate for girl-on-girl action is like 0, lesbians can't get pregnant from having sex with other women and lesbians probably aren't using condoms).

Sex between two women can still potentially transmit some diseases.

Rates are pretty low for the ones that can't be cured.

Besides, I still don't believe that sex and love are simultaneously compatible. They are non-commuting operators.

Says a virgin who has abstained from relationships. What the fuck do you think you know about love, romance or sex? What you've read? Let me tell you: you don't know the first thing about what you're talkin about here.

Still, lesbians are the least bad of a bad thing.

...uh huh. So now you're promoting heterophobia?

And you still haven't acknowledged the other post where I point out that you don't know anything at all about my dietary preferences and made a bunch of false claims about what I believe.

[Four-sided Triangles]

... So why are you even bothering?

Normally, I'd expect you to make the "it's the journey, not the destination" argument, which I guess would be OK, but YOUR journey involves isolating yourself from everyone that can make the journey interesting.

It's the drive toward perfection that matters. As you get closer, you become better. Happiness is a bad thing, as it leads to complacency.

[Norstal]

And then what?

You never get to perfection, so there is no "Then what?" to be had.

Then you're not working towards perfection. Just something entirely different. Kinda like a ship being lost, trying to search for a non-existent lighthouse.

[Farnhamia]

1. How can I trust them to always be monogamous?

2. STD tests produce false negatives on occasion, you know.

1. You develop trust.
2. False positives are more common.

1. Other than abortion, these can all fail, and many are unpleasant. Abortion is also an unpleasant and psychologically troubling experience.

2. They only want to be pregnant in order to reproduce. Externalized reproduction would fix this.

1. The failure rate on all of these is low and when combined with one of more forms of birth control (e.g. the pill + spermicidal sheets + condom) you're pretty much not going to get pregnant. Not every woman experiences abortion as a psychologically troubling experience and even if they did, who do you think you are to tell women they should not take these risks anyway? We're big girls, we can take care of ourselves, thank you very much. If I want to go sky diving, I don't want you to try and tell me I shouldn't. I'm perfectly capable of taking care of myself and making my own decisions, thank you very much. Please refrain from patronizing me and acting like you know what's best for me when you clearly don't.
2. It doesn't need to be fixed. As much as it would be convenient, I'm fine with the idea of getting pregnant eventually (and actually, a few women I know have experienced pregnancy as a positive experience).

Sex between two women can still potentially transmit some diseases.

Rates are pretty low for the ones that can't be cured.

Besides, I still don't believe that sex and love are simultaneously compatible. They are non-commuting operators.

Says a virgin who has abstained from relationships. What the fuck do you think you know about love, romance or sex? What you've read? Let me tell you: you don't know the first thing about what you're talkin about here.

Still, lesbians are the least bad of a bad thing.

...uh huh. So now you're promoting heterophobia?

And you still haven't acknowledged the other post where I point out that you don't know anything at all about my dietary preferences and made a bunch of false claims about what I believe.

It's so gratifying to know that everyone loves lesbians (I wonder if the netowkrs would be interested in a sit-com?). And yes, he is promoting heterophobia. He's promoting complete celibacy, complete isolation and complete emotional detachment. Kind of like in that Simon and Garfunkel song,"I Am A Rock."

[The Black Forrest]

I try to give up all my desires completely. I try to completely isolate myself from friendship, love, and human contact. I put myself through hell, all to become morally perfect. And people still judge me as bad for it.

You know who to make them stop?

Stop judging them.

[Dakini]

It's so gratifying to know that everyone loves lesbians (I wonder if the netowkrs would be interested in a sit-com?). And yes, he is promoting heterophobia. He's promoting complete celibacy, complete isolation and complete emotional detachment. Kind of like in that Simon and Garfunkel song,"I Am A Rock."

And of course, he does this all while patronizing women on top of it and claiming to be a feminist. yippie.

[Four-sided Triangles]

1. You develop trust.
2. False positives are more common.

1. But trust is never absolute. There's always doubt.
2. But false negatives do occur, yes?

1. The failure rate on all of these is low and when combined with one of more forms of birth control (e.g. the pill + spermicidal sheets + condom) you're pretty much not going to get pregnant. Not every woman experiences abortion as a psychologically troubling experience and even if they did, who do you think you are to tell women they should not take these risks anyway? We're big girls, we can take care of ourselves, thank you very much. If I want to go sky diving, I don't want you to try and tell me I shouldn't. I'm perfectly capable of taking care of myself and making my own decisions, thank you very much. Please refrain from patronizing me and acting like you know what's best for me when you clearly don't.
2. It doesn't need to be fixed. As much as it would be convenient, I'm fine with the idea of getting pregnant eventually (and actually, a few women I know have experienced pregnancy as a positive experience).

You're comfortable with being pregnant? Doesn't that mean that you think women should be pregnant, or at least that it's a good thing when they get pregnant?

Rates are pretty low for the ones that can't be cured.

But still nonzero.

Says a virgin who has abstained from relationships. What the fuck do you think you know about love, romance or sex? What you've read? Let me tell you: you don't know the first thing about what you're talkin about here.

It's a scientifically explicable, neurochemically reductionist process. I can learn everything there is to know about it from reading.

...uh huh. So now you're promoting heterophobia?

How does that follow?

And you still haven't acknowledged the other post where I point out that you don't know anything at all about my dietary preferences and made a bunch of false claims about what I believe.

Fine, my response is this. You're not judgmental enough.

[The Black Forrest]

Misery is a fair price. Happiness just gets in the way of self-betterment.

Newsflash: You're not perfect.

add on:

And you never will be perfect.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Says a virgin who has abstained from relationships. What the fuck do you think you know about love, romance or sex? What you've read? Let me tell you: you don't know the first thing about what you're talkin about here.

It's a scientifically explicable, neurochemically reductionist process. I can learn everything there is to know about it from reading.

You can understand that it creates certain effects, but if you do not experience them then you cannot truly judge them.

[Seibertron]

If you had 1% of the science backing up you're ideas as the vegan movement has I'd be interested. But you've still not shown any science that actually backs up your assertions.

HIV exists. Pregnancy exists. Condoms don't always work.

Are these reasons why sex is wrong?
But it isn't just that though is it? You are also against men having erections, non- reproductive acts like oral and anal and even just thinking about sex.

[Farnhamia]

It's so gratifying to know that everyone loves lesbians (I wonder if the netowkrs would be interested in a sit-com?). And yes, he is promoting heterophobia. He's promoting complete celibacy, complete isolation and complete emotional detachment. Kind of like in that Simon and Garfunkel song,"I Am A Rock."

And of course, he does this all while patronizing women on top of it and claiming to be a feminist. yippie.

And we fall for it and stroke his ego by arguing with him. You know, I heard about these things, they're new, called ... blogs, I think, some sort of interwebs thingy you can use to put your thoughts and musings out there for people to read. Kind of like a public diary. Maybe FST should get one.

[Norstal]

And of course, he does this all while patronizing women on top of it and claiming to be a feminist. yippie.

And we fall for it and stroke his ego by arguing with him. You know, I heard about these things, they're new, called ... blogs, I think, some sort of interwebs thingy you can use to put your thoughts and musings out there for people to read. Kind of like a public diary. Maybe FST should get one.

Oh my God Farn.

I wanna see Eve's Daughter (the separatist feminist) expression when she sees that a guy is aligned with her views. It'll be so damn funny and ironic.

[Dakini]

1. You develop trust.
2. False positives are more common.

1. But trust is never absolute. There's always doubt.
2. But false negatives do occur, yes?

1. No there isn't. I trust my partner completely, I wouldn't have married him if I didn't. Just because you have never experienced absolute trust doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
2. HIV tests are run twice before results are returned to a patient. The odds of two false positives (or false negatives) is very low since the odds of a single false negative or positive is low (you should know how to calculate the probability on this). They run them twice for both initially negative and positive results because a false positive is often linked with things like suicide while a false negative can lead to someone thinking they're safe when they're not.

You're comfortable with being pregnant? Doesn't that mean that you think women should be pregnant, or at least that it's a good thing when they get pregnant?

I think that if a woman wants to be pregnant, it's a good thing if she gets pregnant. If she doesn't want to be pregnant, it's a good thing if she remains un-pregnant.
Women neither should nor shouldn't be pregnant at any given time; it should be up to the individual woman to decide when she's ready to be pregnant and then if she does make this choice, I wish her all luck in her attempts.

But still nonzero.

There's a nonzero risk that I'll be hit by a car if I walk outside. Should I abstain from going outside too?

It's a scientifically explicable, neurochemically reductionist process. I can learn everything there is to know about it from reading.

As someone who has experienced love and sex simultaneously I can tell you that at the very least, your literature review is incomplete (and also, you know, the study of human sexuality is ongoing).

How does that follow?

Lesbians are better than heterosexual women? How is that not heterophobic?

Fine, my response is this. You're not judgmental enough.

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Who died and made you god?

[The Rich Port]

And of course, he does this all while patronizing women on top of it and claiming to be a feminist. yippie.

And we fall for it and stroke his ego by arguing with him. You know, I heard about these things, they're new, called ... blogs, I think, some sort of interwebs thingy you can use to put your thoughts and musings out there for people to read. Kind of like a public diary. Maybe FST should get one.

Gah, you're right.

The more we argue with him, the more he can say the world is trying to break his morals.

BAD TRP. *smacks self*

[Farnhamia]

And we fall for it and stroke his ego by arguing with him. You know, I heard about these things, they're new, called ... blogs, I think, some sort of interwebs thingy you can use to put your thoughts and musings out there for people to read. Kind of like a public diary. Maybe FST should get one.

Oh my God Farn.

I wanna see Eve's Daughter (the separatist feminist) expression when she sees that a guy is aligned with her views. It'll be so damn funny and ironic.

No kidding.

[The Congregationists]

I try to give up all my desires completely. I try to completely isolate myself from friendship, love, and human contact. I put myself through hell, all to become morally perfect. And people still judge me as bad for it.

Not bad, just ... misguided.

And what a great idea for a song.

A winter's day in a deep and dark December ...

The FIRST thing that popped into my mind. Good call