Feminist type.

[Tlaceceyaya]

What is morality?

The maximization of the well being of sentient lifeforms.

And sex improves their well-being, as well as bringing in new sentient lifeforms which can enjoy life. We base morality on our instincts - As social mammals, we view helping others as good.

[Four-sided Triangles]

And what does that involve? The pursuit of pleasure and happiness? The realization of the basic drives they were born with? Emotional self-actualization? Frankly, I don't see how roboticizing the world is maximizing its well-being.

Freed from as many base biological desires and needs as possible, humanity can focus on greater things, like intellectual and artistic pursuits, and the fostering of universal compassion.

[Four-sided Triangles]

What you're not seeming to understand is that it's not the fact that you are specifically targeting one gender or the other or both for your critique (still you should admit you have talked much more about what you view as flawed about females then what you view as flawed about males)

It's that you have a desire to control the sexuality of others as if you had any say at all in what others do or a right to judge it in all cases. Even in the case of a pure, innocent sexual relationship in which no objectification is there and both partners are doing it out of love and desire.

Sex is neither unhygienic, Dangerous, Irrational, nor is it degrading unless it's made to be so by the individuals participating.

You should support your assertions better because this sounds like typical patriarchy enabling talking points to me.

Haven't you read my posts? I don't want to force any of this on anyone. I want everyone to voluntarily choose it.

[Ashmoria]

thats why its YOUR problem not humanity's problem.

Doesn't everyone else want to be as perfect as possible?

1) no

2) everyone has their own definition of perfection.

[1000 Cats]

And what does that involve? The pursuit of pleasure and happiness? The realization of the basic drives they were born with? Emotional self-actualization? Frankly, I don't see how roboticizing the world is maximizing its well-being.

Freed from as many base biological desires and needs as possible, humanity can focus on greater things, like intellectual and artistic pursuits, and the fostering of universal compassion.

That doesn't maximize its well-being. Indeed, the nations with the highest amount of "intellectual and artistic pursuits" also have the highest suicide rates. And I think compassion is more likely to spring from a relationship that also contains the exchange of goods, especially necessities, and physical relationships as it has always done in the past, more than some unstable "intellectual" connection.

[Natapoc]

What does that even mean? Now you're ranking oppression? is racial discrimination not as real as sexual discrimination? How can you say that one form of discrimination is fundamentally more "primary" then others?

You haven't kept up with radical feminism, have you?

Oh I have! There is no one radical feminism since all women, (being people you know?) have their own unique viewpoints. There are many but they all share a certain commonality:

Radical coming from Latin Radix meaning Root. A radical feminist is a feminist who believes that creating equality for women means attempting to get at the "root" of the problems facing such lack of equality.

It's not a borg like collective with a leader that you must agree with at all times in all ways.

It's more of a: Hay here are some ideas! Take what yo find useful! Kind of thing.

Also, no radical feminist idea is not invented as a means of controlling the sexuality of women (unlike your platform)

(No, fact that you also wish to control the sexuality of men does not negate the fact that you wish to control the sexuality of women)

[Ashmoria]

You haven't kept up with radical feminism, have you?

Oh I have! There is no one radical feminism since all women, (being people you know?) have their own unique viewpoints. There are many but they all share a certain commonality:

since i havent kept up... do radical feminists still focus on sex itself being problematical? that seems so 1972ish to me.

[AiliailiA]

Good thread. I read it early and thought "this won't lead anywhere good" but it seems I was wrong.

[Dakini]

From your position of male privilege I suppose pushing your assertions about others sexuality(you've still not explained why sex is bad for women) on people seems totally natural and normal.

If I push it on women it's sexist. If I push it on women and men it's still sexist. I can't win.

Sex is unhygienic,

No it's not.

dangerous,

No it's not.

irrational,

It's as irrational as eating chocolate, why aren't you rallying against this?

and degrading.

No it's not.

You know what's degrading? A man telling all women that sex is bad for them and they shouldn't do it. Or how about a man who compares women with sexual desires to heroin addicts. That's pretty fucking degrading. You're basically saying "I don't trust your entire gender to make 'correct' decisions about your bodies".

What further explanation is necessary?

How about anything other than opinion-based absolute statements?

[Dakini]

I'd have to say the same thing about eating.

If there were a feasible way to eliminate that, I'd advocate food celibacy too.

Don't you get it? I hate my humanity. I hate my body. I hate my biological needs. I hate my desires. I hate the mistakes that I make.

And how about you don't project your hatred for all of this onto other people?

[Four-sided Triangles]

And how about you don't project your hatred for all of this onto other people?

It's not projection, as I'm not assuming that other people do hate these things. I'm saying that they should hate them.

[Dakini]

And how about you don't project your hatred for all of this onto other people?

It's not projection, as I'm not assuming that other people do hate these things. I'm saying that they should hate them.

Why? Why should others hate them? Because you do? Because you know better than us poor heroin-addict equivalent women?

[Kvatchdom]

I believe in full gender equality. Many people tend to forget that 40% of family violence is caused by women, and that men who are being assaulted by women have less possibility of being helped.

Full gender equality means nobody has special rights.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Why? Why should others hate them? Because you do? Because you know better than us poor heroin-addict equivalent women?

I know better than men too, you know. Stop making this all about your gender.

[The Black Forrest]

Why? Why should others hate them? Because you do? Because you know better than us poor heroin-addict equivalent women?

I know better than men too, you know. Stop making this all about your gender.

Of course. Most IG's do.

You wish to affect the human race. Her gender has as much of a say in the matter as we do.

[Seibertron]

I'm pushing it on men too, you know. I'm advocating it as universal for everyone. The only way to permanently and completely get rid of sexism is to get rid of sex entirely. No genders = no gender discrimination.

From your position of male privilege I suppose pushing your assertions about others sexuality(you've still not explained why sex is bad for women) on people seems totally natural and normal.

FST says just thinking sexual things is offensive.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Of course. Most IG's do.

You wish to affect the human race. Her gender has as much of a say in the matter as we do.

IG?

[The Black Forrest]

Of course. Most IG's do.

You wish to affect the human race. Her gender has as much of a say in the matter as we do.

IG?

Internet Genius.

You do not know what is best for all. You know what is best for you.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Internet Genius.

You do not know what is best for all. You know what is best for you.

Humans are mostly the same. The differences are exaggerated. What's good for one is very likely to be what's good for almost all.

[Great Nepal]

IG?

Internet Genius.

You do not know what is best for all. You know what is best for you.

Of course he does!
He is the god, he is the omniscient, he know everything about you, what you should like, what you should hate and what is in best interests of humanity.
All hail The God! All hail The Four sided triangles!

[The Rich Port]

Meh.

From my time amidst women, I've learned to respect them, very much so. I think THAT alone makes me a feminist, understanding and knowing the trials women go through from day to day and how different they are from men and, sometimes, how not so different they are from men. I'll always prefer women over men, whether sexually or as friends.

You tend to be less lonely that way.

[The Aryan Nations]

1: Why not? It's natural.
2: So you would just genetically engineer all babies to be male?
3: No it doesn't. For bonobos, it's mostly used for social bonding.
4: Why?
5: Yes, but so is eating, or socializing.

1. So is cancer.

2. If genetic engineering reaches that point, the decision belongs to the parent(s).

3. And that means that it doesn't require one to view others as a sex object? Besides, we're not bonobos. They're cousins.

4. I don't know, it's just hard not to. The penis is forced in. Look, this is a bit too graphic for NSG.

5. Not really. Socialization is a higher-order function, and eating is unavoidable.

you dont get a hard-on for a block of wood, you get one for a human. therefore, you do not view another human as a object, as you only get a hard-on to images of actual people, or imaginative drawings.

[The Aryan Nations]

Internet Genius.

You do not know what is best for all. You know what is best for you.

Humans are mostly the same. The differences are exaggerated. What's good for one is very likely to be what's good for almost all.

really? i take AD/HD medicine. does that mean everyone should take AD/HD medicine? how about antipsychotics? or perhaps its good for one person to do MMA, but not for the person with osteoporosis, now is it?

[Dakini]

Why? Why should others hate them? Because you do? Because you know better than us poor heroin-addict equivalent women?

I know better than men too, you know. Stop making this all about your gender.

Oh, no. Men are the heroin, right? Or sex is the heroin. Men aren't harmed by sex (or at least you haven't been making this assertion). You've just been asserting that women got the short end of the stick when it comes to sex. Us poor, pathetic, sad, women are better off if nobody wants sex because sex only degrades and objectifies us.

Also, you have not demonstrated that you know anything better than anyone when it comes to sex.

[Four-sided Triangles]

I try to give up all my desires completely. I try to completely isolate myself from friendship, love, and human contact. I put myself through hell, all to become morally perfect. And people still judge me as bad for it.