Feminist type.

[Four-sided Triangles]

From your position of male privilege I suppose pushing your assertions about others sexuality(you've still not explained why sex is bad for women) on people seems totally natural and normal.

If I push it on women it's sexist. If I push it on women and men it's still sexist. I can't win.

Sex is unhygienic, dangerous, irrational, and degrading. What further explanation is necessary?

[Ashmoria]

Even if humans are smooth 'round the bend (all worrysome biological implications aside) that still leaves plenty of other things to discriminate on, without the palliative of sex. Your master plan is not so masterful.

One thing at a time. Besides, sexual discrimination is the primary discrimination.

that may be true but sexual discrimination has gone way down in the past 40 years. there is no reason to think that it wont diminish to the point where it is only an annoyance.

[Natapoc]

Even if humans are smooth 'round the bend (all worrysome biological implications aside) that still leaves plenty of other things to discriminate on, without the palliative of sex. Your master plan is not so masterful.

One thing at a time. Besides, sexual discrimination is the primary discrimination.

What does that even mean? Now you're ranking oppression? is racial discrimination not as real as sexual discrimination? How can you say that one form of discrimination is fundamentally more "primary" then others?

[The Congregationists]

Sex is unhygienic, dangerous, irrational, and degrading. What further explanation is necessary?

And THAT'S why I like it!!!!

[Four-sided Triangles]

that may be true but sexual discrimination has gone way down in the past 40 years. there is no reason to think that it wont diminish to the point where it is only an annoyance.

Nonsense. It's just more subtle than it used to be.

[Norstal]

Where's the humanity in that?

Humanity sucks.

Then there's no point in doing this. It's very nihilistic. On one hand, you're trying to preserve humans and on the other, you seek to eradicate what makes us human.

[Four-sided Triangles]

What does that even mean? Now you're ranking oppression? is racial discrimination not as real as sexual discrimination? How can you say that one form of discrimination is fundamentally more "primary" then others?

You haven't kept up with radical feminism, have you?

[Four-sided Triangles]

Then there's no point in doing this. It's very nihilistic. On one hand, you're trying to preserve humans and on the other, you seek to eradicate what makes us human.

No, I'm seeking to make something better than humanity.

[Yewhohohopia]

Most heterosexual women like men both sexually and in other ways and hope that men keep their genitals, if that's alright?

Not in my experience.

?

[Farnhamia]

Humanity sucks.

Then there's no point in doing this. It's very nihilistic. On one hand, you're trying to preserve humans and on the other, you seek to eradicate what makes us human.

You're right, there is no point to this. We can only hope that FST either meets a patient, decent woman who shows him how wrong he is, or a competent mental health professional. We're not qualified as the latter.

[Ashmoria]

From your position of male privilege I suppose pushing your assertions about others sexuality(you've still not explained why sex is bad for women) on people seems totally natural and normal.

If I push it on women it's sexist. If I push it on women and men it's still sexist. I can't win.

Sex is unhygienic, dangerous, irrational, and degrading. What further explanation is necessary?

thats a good reason for YOU to avoid sex. its not a good reason for those who dont find it unhygienic, dangerous, irrational, and degrading to avoid sex.

[Yewhohohopia]

Sex is unhygienic, dangerous, irrational, and degrading. What further explanation is necessary?

wut

[Four-sided Triangles]

I'd have to say the same thing about eating.

If there were a feasible way to eliminate that, I'd advocate food celibacy too.

Don't you get it? I hate my humanity. I hate my body. I hate my biological needs. I hate my desires. I hate the mistakes that I make.

[1000 Cats]

Okay my friend, I've concluded, after some very late night eating: You're not a feminist at all.

The reason is that your arguments are all the same ones that prop up the patriarchy. You give all the classic arguments that have always been used as an excuse for subjugation of women.

Now I'm not saying you are a bad person. I'm saying you grew up in a deeply sexist culture and interlized the fundamental beliefs of the patriarchy. You feel bad about that and so you try to use a mismatch of radical feminist and lesbian separatist arguments to justify your sexist beliefs.

But I can't ignore that you think females are biologically inferior .

"base instinct" or "that which is natural" has been associated strongly with anti rational concepts since Aristotle. What you may not realize is "natural" and "base instinct" have always been associated in our culture with women.

This is why people view women as not rational and why women tend to be less represented in scientific fields which require logic (women are not immune from identifying with patriarchy and believing in the myth that they are inherently more emotional then men and not as logical as men)

Hatred of sex has always been a feature of patriarchy.

You also perpetuate damaging gender myths that help rationalize rape. You're idea that "maleness" is the cause of sexual aggression is not new.

That's the excuse of every rapist: "It's not my fault, I needed sex! It's just the way I am!" When their real intent was domination and control. Not sex or love or anything like that.

You are demonizing a behavior which you should rightfully demonize but then you claim that this behavior is innate in all males. Following your logic we should assume that rape is natural and inevitable instead of the result of patriarchy and objectification.

Again by insisting that males "can't help" but objectify women you give men an excuse. It MIGHT be acceptable if you had serious scientific evidence. But you don't. You have a study that shows that female body parts, in isolation, light up the "tool" part of the brain in males who have been taught since infancy to objectify women.

Duh? Stop teaching men to objectify women! Don't accept that it's natural when you don't have sufficient evidence to do so.

Your view that women are always victim and male always aggressor (by nature) is standard patriarchy. Watch almost any Hollywood movie and you'll learn that women can't take care of themselves but instead need a strong man who is rare and unlike most men who are bad and evil and want to hurt her! (myth of the need for a male hero to rescue her)

Your hatred of "instinct (especially sexual instinct)" is classic patriarchy also. Patriarchy feels the need to suppress sexual instincts in order to stay in control. This is why sexuality was so highly controlled in the most patriarchal cultures (yes male sexuality too!)

I could go on and on but i'll conclude:

To be a feminist you actually need to be working for or advocating gender equality. You admit that you are not. At the same time you are actively advancing causes that are contrary to feminism and harming the cause of gender equality.

My comments here are not to make you feel bad. I know that you've internalized gender myths because you grew up in a sexist culture; Not because you have some desire to oppress women.

But you're in luck! The problem is all in your head. It's not your testosterone producing genitals that are the problem. It's the fact that you've internalized sexist stereotypes from birth and you really don't understand women. But that's okay because you can learn and change and grow. I'm not judging you. I'm not saying you are bad. Actually you probably have greater empathy then most because you're actively thinking about this instead of just accepting patriarchy overtly.

Your nature is not the problem. You said you feel the need to make up for being born male. There is nothing at all wrong with being male. You can't control what you're born as and even if you could there would be nothing wrong with choosing male or female.

Advocating that no one ever has sex is patriarchal? Advocating that people be evaluated as individuals rather than according to their demographics is patriarchal?

And no, I do think that testosterone is the reason for the increased amount of sex, aggression, and sexual aggression in males. I don't think it's all cultural. All culture serves to do is to leash that testosterone. There's only one way to really deal with the problem permanently. If I wasn't such a pathetic coward, I'd have it done myself.

Maybe in the future, once we've externalized reproduction completely, we can engineer all new infants to be born sterile and genderless.

And sorry, but no. The attitude that sex is inherently immoral and that no one should ever have sex is not identical to the beliefs that prop up rape culture.

Testosterone actually isn't the sole (or even necessarily the main) reason for increased aggression and sex drive.

That having been said, what do you have against nature? You understand Darwinian logic, and yet you somehow think that you can do better? Or do you just like the attention that this dozenth thread you've created gets you?

[Yewhohohopia]

I'd have to say the same thing about eating.

If there were a feasible way to eliminate that, I'd advocate food celibacy too.

Don't you get it? I hate my humanity. I hate my body. I hate my biological needs. I hate my desires. I hate the mistakes that I make.

REGRETOTRON2000 would regret its inhumanity.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Testosterone actually isn't the sole (or even necessarily the main) reason for increased aggression and sex drive.

That having been said, what do you have against nature? You understand Darwinian logic, and yet you somehow think that you can do better? Or do you just like the attention that this dozenth thread you've created gets you?

You should know very well that nature only cares about survival of the genes.

[Ashmoria]

I'd have to say the same thing about eating.

If there were a feasible way to eliminate that, I'd advocate food celibacy too.

Don't you get it? I hate my humanity. I hate my body. I hate my biological needs. I hate my desires. I hate the mistakes that I make.

thats why its YOUR problem not humanity's problem.

[1000 Cats]

Testosterone actually isn't the sole (or even necessarily the main) reason for increased aggression and sex drive.

That having been said, what do you have against nature? You understand Darwinian logic, and yet you somehow think that you can do better? Or do you just like the attention that this dozenth thread you've created gets you?

You should know very well that nature only cares about survival of the genes.

And what do you care about? Morality, yes? What is morality?

[Four-sided Triangles]

thats why its YOUR problem not humanity's problem.

Doesn't everyone else want to be as perfect as possible?

[Yewhohohopia]

Testosterone actually isn't the sole (or even necessarily the main) reason for increased aggression and sex drive.

That having been said, what do you have against nature? You understand Darwinian logic, and yet you somehow think that you can do better? Or do you just like the attention that this dozenth thread you've created gets you?

You should know very well that nature only cares about survival of the genes.

The jury is far from out on this one.

[Four-sided Triangles]

What is morality?

The maximization of the well being of sentient lifeforms.

[Yewhohohopia]

thats why its YOUR problem not humanity's problem.

Doesn't everyone else want to be as perfect as possible?

I actually like most of my imperfections and deliberately congregate with vaguely flawed (but intelligent, obviously) people, because I find their company massively more interesting than if they were just smart and as such had nothing to talk about.

[Great Nepal]

thats why its YOUR problem not humanity's problem.

Doesn't everyone else want to be as perfect as possible?

No, imperfection is part of what makes us human. If everything and everyone was perfect, life would be so boring that it wouldn't be worth living.

[Natapoc]

From your position of male privilege I suppose pushing your assertions about others sexuality(you've still not explained why sex is bad for women) on people seems totally natural and normal.

If I push it on women it's sexist. If I push it on women and men it's still sexist. I can't win.

Sex is unhygienic, dangerous, irrational, and degrading. What further explanation is necessary?

What you're not seeming to understand is that it's not the fact that you are specifically targeting one gender or the other or both for your critique (still you should admit you have talked much more about what you view as flawed about females then what you view as flawed about males)

It's that you have a desire to control the sexuality of others as if you had any say at all in what others do or a right to judge it in all cases. Even in the case of a pure, innocent sexual relationship in which no objectification is there and both partners are doing it out of love and desire.

Sex is neither unhygienic, Dangerous, Irrational, nor is it degrading unless it's made to be so by the individuals participating.

You should support your assertions better because this sounds like typical patriarchy enabling talking points to me.

[1000 Cats]

What is morality?

The maximization of the well being of sentient lifeforms.

And what does that involve? The pursuit of pleasure and happiness? The realization of the basic drives they were born with? Emotional self-actualization? Frankly, I don't see how roboticizing the world is maximizing its well-being.