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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:49 am

Natapoc wrote:Castration of rival or subordinate males has been a fundamental part of patriarchy ever since men learned to castrate animals to dominate as a form of controlling animal sexuality reinforcing their views on sexuality as something that can and should be controlled for their benefit.


And castrating all males? What of that?

Most heterosexual women like men and hope that men keep their genitals, if that's alright?


Why?
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Gays are made up of gaytrinos and they interact via faggons, which are massless spin 2 particles. They're massless because gays care so much about their weight, and have spin 2, cause that's as much spin as particles can get, and liberals love spin. The exchange of spin 2 particles creates an attractive force between objects, which is why gays are so promiscuous. When gays get "settle down" into a lower energy state by marrying, they release faggon particles in the form of gaydiation. Everyone is a little bit gay, so every human body has some gaytrinos in it, meaning that the gaydiation could cause straight people to be attracted to gays and choose to turn gay.

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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:49 am

Natapoc wrote:Yes I read that some time ago on NSG. There was a thread about it. I'm aware of the arguments and agree with many but not all.


She pretty much agrees that there are no decent men around.
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Gays are made up of gaytrinos and they interact via faggons, which are massless spin 2 particles. They're massless because gays care so much about their weight, and have spin 2, cause that's as much spin as particles can get, and liberals love spin. The exchange of spin 2 particles creates an attractive force between objects, which is why gays are so promiscuous. When gays get "settle down" into a lower energy state by marrying, they release faggon particles in the form of gaydiation. Everyone is a little bit gay, so every human body has some gaytrinos in it, meaning that the gaydiation could cause straight people to be attracted to gays and choose to turn gay.

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Postby Yewhohohopia » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:53 am

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Natapoc wrote:Castration of rival or subordinate males has been a fundamental part of patriarchy ever since men learned to castrate animals to dominate as a form of controlling animal sexuality reinforcing their views on sexuality as something that can and should be controlled for their benefit.


And castrating all males? What of that?

I don't think that would make men "good people" in your bizarro world any more than the Ludivico Technique made Alex DeLarge a good person in A Clockwork Orange.

Also that blogger is a radge, just saying.
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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:54 am

Besides, many feminists already criticize women for the decisions they make in their personal lives. If it's okay to criticize a women for choosing the demeaning position of housewife, then it's okay for me to criticize women for having sex. Individual choice is not some sacred thing beyond question.
This is why gay marriage will destroy American families.
Gays are made up of gaytrinos and they interact via faggons, which are massless spin 2 particles. They're massless because gays care so much about their weight, and have spin 2, cause that's as much spin as particles can get, and liberals love spin. The exchange of spin 2 particles creates an attractive force between objects, which is why gays are so promiscuous. When gays get "settle down" into a lower energy state by marrying, they release faggon particles in the form of gaydiation. Everyone is a little bit gay, so every human body has some gaytrinos in it, meaning that the gaydiation could cause straight people to be attracted to gays and choose to turn gay.

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Postby Natapoc » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:56 am

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Natapoc wrote:Castration of rival or subordinate males has been a fundamental part of patriarchy ever since men learned to castrate animals to dominate as a form of controlling animal sexuality reinforcing their views on sexuality as something that can and should be controlled for their benefit.


And castrating all males? What of that?

You specifically said you would not do it to yourself. It's was mostly about dominance. You have a desire to control the sexuality of others.

Four-sided Triangles wrote:

Why?


What does it even matter why? Why do women need to justify their choices to you?
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Postby Yewhohohopia » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:57 am

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Most heterosexual women like men and hope that men keep their genitals, if that's alright?


Why?

When a heterosexual man and a heterosexual woman love each other very much, they have a special cuddle, yeah?
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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:02 am

Natapoc wrote:You specifically said you would not do it to yourself. It's was mostly about dominance. You have a desire to control the sexuality of others.


If it was done to everyone or most everyone, I would accept have it done. It seems, however, that no matter what I say, you're going to twist it into whatever is convenient for you. You don't like my anti-sexualism, so you have to paint me as the enemy.

What does it even matter why? Why do women need to justify their choices to you?


Is it really any woman's decision to begin with? I'm in favor of universal voluntary castration. Since it's voluntary, it's no one's choice but the person in question.
This is why gay marriage will destroy American families.
Gays are made up of gaytrinos and they interact via faggons, which are massless spin 2 particles. They're massless because gays care so much about their weight, and have spin 2, cause that's as much spin as particles can get, and liberals love spin. The exchange of spin 2 particles creates an attractive force between objects, which is why gays are so promiscuous. When gays get "settle down" into a lower energy state by marrying, they release faggon particles in the form of gaydiation. Everyone is a little bit gay, so every human body has some gaytrinos in it, meaning that the gaydiation could cause straight people to be attracted to gays and choose to turn gay.

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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:03 am

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Natapoc wrote:You specifically said you would not do it to yourself. It's was mostly about dominance. You have a desire to control the sexuality of others.


If it was done to everyone or most everyone, I would accept have it done. It seems, however, that no matter what I say, you're going to twist it into whatever is convenient for you. You don't like my anti-sexualism, so you have to paint me as the enemy.

What does it even matter why? Why do women need to justify their choices to you?


Is it really any woman's decision to begin with? I'm in favor of universal voluntary castration. Since it's voluntary, it's no one's choice but the person in question.

if its voluntary it wont be universal.

...

it wont be done at all.
whatever

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Postby Natapoc » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:04 am

Four-sided Triangles wrote:Besides, many feminists already criticize women for the decisions they make in their personal lives. If it's okay to criticize a women for choosing the demeaning position of housewife, then it's okay for me to criticize women for having sex. Individual choice is not some sacred thing beyond question.


You are right individual choice is not some sacred thing beyond question. But you've not shown anything or even made an argument of your own that I can tell.

Regarding the remainder of your question, please allow me to quote from the comment section of your source, in the words of the author of the OP:

Men are welcome to read my posts. However, my target audience is female. I don’t typically approve comments from men, since past experience suggests that male posters attempt to dominate/intimidate/harass other commenters and (on more than one occasion) send me death threats. Plus, I don’t usually take the time to explain a lot of underlying concepts, and since I assume familiarity with those concepts on the part of the readership it can be difficult for readers who haven’t experienced the things we discuss to understand the conversation.
I’ve chosen to relax this policy because of the amount of hits I’ve gotten over the past few days, and the number of comments from people who haven’t take the time to read other posts or understand even the most basic of facts (for instance, I’ve been getting a number of comments from people who are saying that only a “small minority” of men would commit rape, yet if they’d looked a few posts away from the one they were commenting on they’d see a discussion of one college’s study indicating that as many as ~40% of incoming male freshmen admitted they would force/coerce a woman into having sex against her will if they thought they could get away with it; the number who admitted they would “rape” a woman if they could get away with it was significantly lower). It’s a lot easier for me to address them here by responding to themes I’ve seen in the comments, so I’ve been picking some of the more politely phrased ones and using them to respond to a slew of others. This makes two comments for you, Samuel – a record so far.

As for why men shouldn’t be focused on whether I would apply the list to women? Because what I am saying is that, if individual men are serious about fixing these issues then they should be considering the part they play in this mess, rather than spending their time trying to play gotcha with whatever “crazy” feminist has come across their path. It’s not at all intellectually dishonest for me to refuse to play that game – if a man considers my post to be a legitimate social critique, then it shouldn’t matter to him whether I, personally, would apply it to women. That simply isn’t relevant and, again, it’s placing the onus for fixing his problems on women. That isn’t what this blog is about. And if a man does not consider my post to be a legitimate social critique, then, again, it shouldn’t matter to him whether I apply it to women, because he doesn’t consider it to have merit in the first place.
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Postby Norstal » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:06 am

Natapoc wrote:You specifically said you would not do it to yourself. It's was mostly about dominance. You have a desire to control the sexuality of others.

I don't think he has any desire to do this. It's just his idea, not something he would put forth as a legislation.

I hope...

Four-sided Triangles wrote:Is it really any woman's decision to begin with? I'm in favor of universal voluntary castration. Since it's voluntary, it's no one's choice but the person in question.

Yes. Yes it is. And yes, I know your argument for this, it's that the woman in question is comparable to a crackhead for wanting sex. And so, what is wrong with being a crackhead? It's voluntary. And if it's not, it's probably determined anyways, so that's out of your control.
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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:10 am

Ashmoria wrote:if its voluntary it wont be universal.

...

it wont be done at all.


Men will die out soon enough anyway. With the advent of genetic engineering, we can all have perfect, androgynous children.
This is why gay marriage will destroy American families.
Gays are made up of gaytrinos and they interact via faggons, which are massless spin 2 particles. They're massless because gays care so much about their weight, and have spin 2, cause that's as much spin as particles can get, and liberals love spin. The exchange of spin 2 particles creates an attractive force between objects, which is why gays are so promiscuous. When gays get "settle down" into a lower energy state by marrying, they release faggon particles in the form of gaydiation. Everyone is a little bit gay, so every human body has some gaytrinos in it, meaning that the gaydiation could cause straight people to be attracted to gays and choose to turn gay.

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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:12 am

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:if its voluntary it wont be universal.

...

it wont be done at all.


Men will die out soon enough anyway. With the advent of genetic engineering, we can all have perfect, androgynous children.

we can

but given the expense and the uselessness of it the vast majority of humanity will continue to create children through sex.
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Postby Yewhohohopia » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:13 am

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:if its voluntary it wont be universal.

...

it wont be done at all.


Men will die out soon enough anyway. With the advent of genetic engineering, we can all have perfect, androgynous children.

Is there any reason they won't be just as bad as us Abso Wtf Bastard Men?
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Postby Natapoc » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:14 am

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:if its voluntary it wont be universal.

...

it wont be done at all.


Men will die out soon enough anyway. With the advent of genetic engineering, we can all have perfect, androgynous children.


Except most people don't want perfect, androgynous children. (and most would disagree with your view of perfection)

I'm trying to help you take off your blinders. The entire philosophy you're advocating is all about controlling the sexuality and reproductive choices of others. You are attempting to push your value judgement and views of perfection on women.

Not that women are not used to that since it's a distinguishing feature of patriarchy women live with every day.
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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:14 am

Yewhohohopia wrote:Is there any reason they won't be just as bad as us Abso Wtf Bastard Men?


They'll be sexless?
This is why gay marriage will destroy American families.
Gays are made up of gaytrinos and they interact via faggons, which are massless spin 2 particles. They're massless because gays care so much about their weight, and have spin 2, cause that's as much spin as particles can get, and liberals love spin. The exchange of spin 2 particles creates an attractive force between objects, which is why gays are so promiscuous. When gays get "settle down" into a lower energy state by marrying, they release faggon particles in the form of gaydiation. Everyone is a little bit gay, so every human body has some gaytrinos in it, meaning that the gaydiation could cause straight people to be attracted to gays and choose to turn gay.

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Postby Norstal » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:15 am

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Yewhohohopia wrote:Is there any reason they won't be just as bad as us Abso Wtf Bastard Men?


They'll be sexless?

Where's the humanity in that?
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Postby Yewhohohopia » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:15 am

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Yewhohohopia wrote:Is there any reason they won't be just as bad as us Abso Wtf Bastard Men?


They'll be sexless?

I know many sexless people who are horrible.
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Postby The Congregationists » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:15 am

Farnhamia wrote:Michael Moorcock interviewing Andrea Dworkin! How did I not know about this?


She'd have made a great Melnibonean! Maybe even a lord of chaos.

Okay, I'll stop. Couldn't resist though. Back to our millionth debate with FST over the evils of sex ...
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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:16 am

Natapoc wrote:Except most people don't want perfect, androgynous children. (and most would disagree with your view of perfection)

I'm trying to help you take off your blinders. The entire philosophy you're advocating is all about controlling the sexuality and reproductive choices of others. You are attempting to push your value judgement and views of perfection on women.

Not that women are not used to that since it's a distinguishing feature of patriarchy women live with every day.


I'm pushing it on men too, you know. I'm advocating it as universal for everyone. The only way to permanently and completely get rid of sexism is to get rid of sex entirely. No genders = no gender discrimination.
This is why gay marriage will destroy American families.
Gays are made up of gaytrinos and they interact via faggons, which are massless spin 2 particles. They're massless because gays care so much about their weight, and have spin 2, cause that's as much spin as particles can get, and liberals love spin. The exchange of spin 2 particles creates an attractive force between objects, which is why gays are so promiscuous. When gays get "settle down" into a lower energy state by marrying, they release faggon particles in the form of gaydiation. Everyone is a little bit gay, so every human body has some gaytrinos in it, meaning that the gaydiation could cause straight people to be attracted to gays and choose to turn gay.

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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:17 am

Norstal wrote:Where's the humanity in that?


Humanity sucks.
This is why gay marriage will destroy American families.
Gays are made up of gaytrinos and they interact via faggons, which are massless spin 2 particles. They're massless because gays care so much about their weight, and have spin 2, cause that's as much spin as particles can get, and liberals love spin. The exchange of spin 2 particles creates an attractive force between objects, which is why gays are so promiscuous. When gays get "settle down" into a lower energy state by marrying, they release faggon particles in the form of gaydiation. Everyone is a little bit gay, so every human body has some gaytrinos in it, meaning that the gaydiation could cause straight people to be attracted to gays and choose to turn gay.

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Postby Yewhohohopia » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:19 am

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Natapoc wrote:Except most people don't want perfect, androgynous children. (and most would disagree with your view of perfection)

I'm trying to help you take off your blinders. The entire philosophy you're advocating is all about controlling the sexuality and reproductive choices of others. You are attempting to push your value judgement and views of perfection on women.

Not that women are not used to that since it's a distinguishing feature of patriarchy women live with every day.


I'm pushing it on men too, you know. I'm advocating it as universal for everyone. The only way to permanently and completely get rid of sexism is to get rid of sex entirely. No genders = no gender discrimination.

Even if humans are smooth 'round the bend (all worrysome biological implications aside) that still leaves plenty of other things to discriminate on, without the palliative of sex. Your master plan is not so masterful.
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Postby Natapoc » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:19 am

Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Natapoc wrote:Except most people don't want perfect, androgynous children. (and most would disagree with your view of perfection)

I'm trying to help you take off your blinders. The entire philosophy you're advocating is all about controlling the sexuality and reproductive choices of others. You are attempting to push your value judgement and views of perfection on women.

Not that women are not used to that since it's a distinguishing feature of patriarchy women live with every day.


I'm pushing it on men too, you know. I'm advocating it as universal for everyone. The only way to permanently and completely get rid of sexism is to get rid of sex entirely. No genders = no gender discrimination.


From your position of male privilege I suppose pushing your assertions about others sexuality(you've still not explained why sex is bad for women) on people seems totally natural and normal.
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Postby Four-sided Triangles » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:20 am

Yewhohohopia wrote:Even if humans are smooth 'round the bend (all worrysome biological implications aside) that still leaves plenty of other things to discriminate on, without the palliative of sex. Your master plan is not so masterful.


One thing at a time. Besides, sexual discrimination is the primary discrimination.
This is why gay marriage will destroy American families.
Gays are made up of gaytrinos and they interact via faggons, which are massless spin 2 particles. They're massless because gays care so much about their weight, and have spin 2, cause that's as much spin as particles can get, and liberals love spin. The exchange of spin 2 particles creates an attractive force between objects, which is why gays are so promiscuous. When gays get "settle down" into a lower energy state by marrying, they release faggon particles in the form of gaydiation. Everyone is a little bit gay, so every human body has some gaytrinos in it, meaning that the gaydiation could cause straight people to be attracted to gays and choose to turn gay.

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Postby Ashmoria » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:20 am

Yewhohohopia wrote:
Four-sided Triangles wrote:
Men will die out soon enough anyway. With the advent of genetic engineering, we can all have perfect, androgynous children.

Is there any reason they won't be just as bad as us Abso Wtf Bastard Men?

they may well be worse. "perfect" children seldom turn out to be perfect and science has a way of spawning unintended consequences.
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Postby The Congregationists » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:22 am

Natapoc wrote:Most heterosexual women like men both sexually and in other ways and hope that men keep their genitals, if that's alright?


Not in my experience.
•Criticism of sentimental love, marriage, sex, religion, and rituals.
•Valuing reason over emotion and imagination
•Ironic, indirect, and impersonal (objective) representation of ideas.
•Uncompromising criticism of romantic illusions.
•Advocacy of pragmatism and disapproval of idealism and ideology.
•Especially vehement opposition to neo-liberalism, social democracy, communism, libertarianism and feminism.
•Satirisation of irrational and whimsical attitudes of the so-called creative class.
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