Feminist type.

[Magnificent Angkar]

I'll try to find it later, but there's an fMRI study showing that men looking at porn don't view the women on it as people.

The study said that images of female body-parts light up the "tool" part of the brain. I don't see how the precludes a respectable relationship, though, if people have psychological knowledge and know what they're getting into.

[Natapoc]

perhaps a you are truly a Masculist attempting to justify your reasoning through what you call feminism?

Why do you think I'm a masculist? Honestly, if anything, I think men are probably more evil than women. 20 times the level of female testosterone sees to that. Aggression, lust, greed, you name it, men are worse on average. Because of this, I often feel bad about being male. Even though I'm totally non-violent, it's just because of the way I was raised. I'd be a rapist and murderer if I was raised in different circumstances. Thus, I'm just a caged animal. But the beast is still there. I'm still a monster, just a domesticated one.

Why does more testosterone mean more evil? If that's the case simply castrate all men. That will solve your testosterone problem right? But first you'd need to convince the majority of people that testosterone is somehow evil (instead of social conditioning and the patriarchy like most feminists feel)

[Four-sided Triangles]

Sadly it's starting to sound like that's the case but I'm still open to him actually being a feminist. His statement that females drew "the short end of the stick" biologically in terms of sexual relations makes me concerned. He also seems to place his own opinions of females as being more truthful then what females think of themselves.

Which is classic.

1. It's pretty much impossible to not look at the two genders and conclude that evolution fucked women over when it comes to sex. Sex is incredibly easy for men. No commitment, no worries, nothing.

2. Women are allowed to think for themselves, but I'm allowed to point out that I think their thinking is wrong. Do you simply accept the logic of smokers when they tell you that they enjoy smoking, or do you still insist that smoking is bad, regardless of what they happen to think? Thinking that women are wrong to have sex does not require thinking that they're stupid. One of my very intelligent former math professors is a heavy smoker. He's not dumb.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Why does more testosterone mean more evil? If that's the case simply castrate all men. That will solve your testosterone problem right? But first you'd need to convince the majority of people that testosterone is somehow evil (instead of social conditioning and the patriarchy like most feminists feel)

I have considered castrating myself to make up for being born male, but I'm too much of a pathetic coward to go along with it. I don't really want to permanently alter my anatomy and physiology, even though maybe I should.

Testosterone leads to heightened aggression and sexual desire. It also stimulates muscle mass accumulation. It's the "fight and fuck" hormone.

[Four-sided Triangles]

That's my primary problem with his opinion... It forgets a women's own wants and needs... some of which are sexual.

No one has sexual needs. I'm 22 and I don't even allow myself to masturbate, because it requires sexual thoughts. I haven't keeled over dead.

[The Black Forrest]

That's sad. A lot of women really like sex. Including (especially!) penetration and have the desire and expectation of this.

It's not necessary to objectify someone to have sex with them. Actually I can't see how sex could possibly be any fun while objectifying a person.

That would be like having sex with a machine or something so why not just stick to a machine?

Where did you get the idea that you have to objectify someone to have sex? Do you have to objectify someone to hold their hand? To cuddle? To kiss? How about to feed each other?

Is it not objectification when a man favors a part of the female body?

Objectification seems to have become a disparage because a man sees a woman and thinks of sex.

Do people think we can train men not to not look at breasts?

[The Congregationists]

Where did you get the idea that you have to objectify someone to have sex?

It's a depressingly common message these days, actually. The notion that sex can actually be about love and pleasure as opposed to power, domination, perversion and control has almost disappeared from conventional media and popular culture.

[The Black Forrest]

That's my primary problem with his opinion... It forgets a women's own wants and needs... some of which are sexual.

No one has sexual needs. I'm 22 and I don't even allow myself to masturbate, because it requires sexual thoughts. I haven't keeled over dead.

You can only speak for yourself. You don't know what everyone needs.

[Four-sided Triangles]

You can only speak for yourself. You don't know what everyone needs.

Give me a case study involving the COD of "not getting laid."

[Magnificent Angkar]

Testosterone leads to heightened aggression and sexual desire. It also stimulates muscle mass accumulation. It's the "fight and fuck" hormone.

That doesn't make it "all-bad".

[Natapoc]

Sadly it's starting to sound like that's the case but I'm still open to him actually being a feminist. His statement that females drew "the short end of the stick" biologically in terms of sexual relations makes me concerned. He also seems to place his own opinions of females as being more truthful then what females think of themselves.

Which is classic.

1. It's pretty much impossible to not look at the two genders and conclude that evolution fucked women over when it comes to sex. Sex is incredibly easy for men. No commitment, no worries, nothing.

2. Women are allowed to think for themselves, but I'm allowed to point out that I think their thinking is wrong. Do you simply accept the logic of smokers when they tell you that they enjoy smoking, or do you still insist that smoking is bad, regardless of what they happen to think? Thinking that women are wrong to have sex does not require thinking that they're stupid. One of my very intelligent former math professors is a heavy smoker. He's not dumb.

No but the idea of a man telling women that they are biologically "fucked over" and telling women what they do and don't like sounds a lot like of paternalistic mindset of the type patriarchy is founded on.

Also women get multiple orgasms and can get pleasure from both Vaginal insertion and Clitoral stimulation.
And don't have vulnerable testicles to worry about.

Besides the biological difference between men and woman have NO EFFECT on the ability of a woman do do everything a man can do in our society that matters at all.

[Four-sided Triangles]

That doesn't make it "all-bad".

Muscle mass okay. Sex and aggression really aren't. I'd prefer a world with neither, if at all possible.

[The Black Forrest]

You can only speak for yourself. You don't know what everyone needs.

Give me a case study involving the COD of "not getting laid."

So how does that explain you know what everybody needs?

It doesn't.

[Four-sided Triangles]

No but the idea of a man telling women that they are biologically "fucked over" and telling women what they do and don't like sounds a lot like of paternalistic mindset of the type patriarchy is founded on.

Also women get multiple orgasms and can get pleasure from both Vaginal insertion and Clitoral stimulation.
And don't have vulnerable testicles to worry about.

I never said that women can't enjoy sex. Smokers like smoking. I enjoy overeating and sitting on my fat lazy ass instead of exercising.

Besides the biological difference between men and woman have NO EFFECT on the ability of a woman do do everything a man can do in our society that matters at all.

I never said otherwise.

[Four-sided Triangles]

So how does that explain you know what everybody needs?

It doesn't.

If you didn't die from lack of it, you didn't need it.

[Magnificent Angkar]

Muscle mass okay. Sex and aggression really aren't. I'd prefer a world with neither, if at all possible.

I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to "objectify" each other if that's what they want to do.

[Four-sided Triangles]

I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to "objectify" each other if that's what they want to do.

They can but they shouldn't. A little lesson from radical feminism, the personal is the political.

[The Black Forrest]

So how does that explain you know what everybody needs?

It doesn't.

If you didn't die from lack of it, you didn't need it.

Rather simple minded logic.

Your caloric intake can be reduced just enough to keep you alive; maybe not healthy but at least alive.

You might need a few courses in biology as the body doesn't work they way you think it does.

[Natapoc]

I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to "objectify" each other if that's what they want to do.

They can but they shouldn't. A little lesson from radical feminism, the personal is the political.

That's something I agree with you about. Objectification is one of the causes of rape.

What I'm debating is your idea that men MUST objectify women in order to have sex with them or that conversely women MUST objectify men to have sex with them. You really have very little support for this.

[The Black Forrest]

I don't see why people shouldn't be allowed to "objectify" each other if that's what they want to do.

They can but they shouldn't. A little lesson from radical feminism, the personal is the political.

Radical feminism? Oh do explain what that means.

Politics is personal.

[Natapoc]

No but the idea of a man telling women that they are biologically "fucked over" and telling women what they do and don't like sounds a lot like of paternalistic mindset of the type patriarchy is founded on.

Also women get multiple orgasms and can get pleasure from both Vaginal insertion and Clitoral stimulation.
And don't have vulnerable testicles to worry about.

I never said that women can't enjoy sex. Smokers like smoking. I enjoy overeating and sitting on my fat lazy ass instead of exercising.

Besides the biological difference between men and woman have NO EFFECT on the ability of a woman do do everything a man can do in our society that matters at all.

I never said otherwise.

I don't appreciate that you are equating the state of being female with the state of engaging in a self destructive behavior such as smoking.

[Four-sided Triangles]

Rather simple minded logic.

Your caloric intake can be reduced just enough to keep you alive; maybe not healthy but at least alive.

You might need a few courses in biology as the body doesn't work they way you think it does.

Extreme caloric restriction can actually raise your lifespan dramatically.

[Magnificent Angkar]

They can but they shouldn't. A little lesson from radical feminism, the personal is the political.

If someone I like and consider an equal (or near equal... I know how hard it is to approach my level) wants to use me for sex, and I like the idea, on what moral grounds should be I opposed?

[Natapoc]

They can but they shouldn't. A little lesson from radical feminism, the personal is the political.

Radical feminism? Oh do explain what that means.

Politics is personal.

A radical feminist is someone like me who thinks you should treat people as people, not as tools. And that when you don't all sorts of societal problems result (such as rape).

[Four-sided Triangles]

I don't appreciate that you are equating the state of being female with the state of engaging in a self destructive behavior such as smoking.

I'm not. I'm equating women having sex with smoking. I equate men having sex with binge drinking, because alcohol is more dangerous to those around you than it is to you.