Gay Marriage

[Christian Democrats]

The government isn't imposing anything on gay people. In the United States, gays are free to live however they want within the laws.

Recognizing heterosexual marriages ≠ punishing homosexuals couples

But refusing to grant the same recognition under the law - as guaranteed by the Constitution - is punishing homosexuals. And worse, it's punishing homosexuals against the specific letter of the Constitution.

Equal protection pertains to treating people similarly situated the same way.

[Polruan]

Not letting black people in the white people's facilities isn't racist if there are other facilities for them.

I already pointed out why this 'grand narrative' nonsense is journalistic bullshit so I'm not going to take this seriously.

But by all means, if you enjoy making yourself sound ridiculous, continue to claim that people in civil partnerships in France or the UK are in the same position as Black people in Alabama in 1950.

k I gotta go, I just realised I'm in the straight people's section of the library and the cops might be called if they spot me here…

[Noveros Prime]

Some cultures do. The whole point of America is that they can bring over those cultural features that do not involve violating the rights of others and live according to them without interference.

No, they can't. They can either adapt to Christian culture in America, or they can stay home.

1. Evolution works at the level of genes, not species.

2. Why am I obligated to work for the survival of the species?

3. Reproduction can now be done without any sex at all, and soon, reproduction can occur without pregnancy, as we will be able to construct artificial uteri.

The results of a self-absorbed, narcissistic generation raised on the Internet.

The 14th Amendment made explicit what had always been implied - rights under the law must be equal, not just 'similar'.

There is no right to marriage, particularly same-sex marriage.

[Bluth Corporation]

Some cultures do. The whole point of America is that they can bring over those cultural features that do not involve violating the rights of others and live according to them without interference.

No, they can't. They can either adapt to Christian culture in America, or they can stay home.

So you reject the entire idea of America, the whole point of this country's existence? You know, that whole "freedom" thing?

At least you're honest.

[Four-sided Triangles]

The results of a self-absorbed, narcissistic generation raised on the Internet.

I like the complete lack of argument there. Ironically, I'm against sex for moral reasons. I'm heterosexual, meaning that I WANT to have sex, but I choose to abstain from it for moral reasons. Yeah, that really makes me self-absorbed, doesn't it?

dumbass

[Noveros Prime]

So you reject the entire idea of America, the whole point of this country's existence? You know, that whole "freedom" thing?

At least you're honest.

No, I'm quite supportive of liberty. However, I maintain that foreign cultures within our nation should adapt to the dominant culture.

I like the complete lack of argument there. Ironically, I'm against sex for moral reasons. I'm heterosexual, meaning that I WANT to have sex, but I choose to abstain from it for moral reasons. Yeah, that really makes me self-absorbed, doesn't it?

It means you're broken.

[Four-sided Triangles]

No, I'm quite supportive of liberty. However, I maintain that foreign cultures within our nation should adapt to the dominant culture.

I'm for freedom, as long as they do what I want.

It means you're broken.

Nice, no argument, just a petty insult.

[Bluth Corporation]

This:

No, I'm quite supportive of liberty.

And this:

However, I maintain that foreign cultures within our nation should adapt to the dominant culture.

Are mutually exclusive. The latter directly contradicts the former. The whole point of "liberty" is that you can adapt whatever cultural forms you wish, live in whatever manner you wish, so long as you're not violating anyone else's rights.

[Grave_n_idle]

But refusing to grant the same recognition under the law - as guaranteed by the Constitution - is punishing homosexuals. And worse, it's punishing homosexuals against the specific letter of the Constitution.

Equal protection pertains to treating people similarly situated the same way.

Nope.

"...All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws...."

[Archem States]

Some cultures do. The whole point of America is that they can bring over those cultural features that do not involve violating the rights of others and live according to them without interference.

No, they can't. They can either adapt to Christian culture in America, or they can stay home.

1. Evolution works at the level of genes, not species.

2. Why am I obligated to work for the survival of the species?

3. Reproduction can now be done without any sex at all, and soon, reproduction can occur without pregnancy, as we will be able to construct artificial uteri.

The results of a self-absorbed, narcissistic generation raised on the Internet.

Says the guy in a heated discussion. On the internet.

You've used your powers of observation, now let me make mine.
You are homophobic.
You are xenophobic.
Probably more than a little bit racist.
Raised in the BIble Belt.
Very dissappointed when Obama became president.
White male, mid 40's to early 50's.
Avid Christian, go to church every Sunday.
Likely have yourself, or have a family member with a military background or hunting hobby.

I'm not going to ask if I am correct. Instead, I am just going to run with this steriotype and see where I end up.
I'm taking a leaf from your book.

[Noveros Prime]

Are mutually exclusive. The latter directly contradicts the former. The whole point of "liberty" is that you can adapt whatever cultural forms you wish, live in whatever manner you wish, so long as you're not violating anyone else's rights.

Ah, the shallow, superficial reasoning produced by higher education. Multiculturalism fermenting men's minds! Oughts and shoulds are not expressions of tyranny.

Nice, no argument, just a petty insult.

I need not waste my time formulating an argument against one so clearly disturbed.

[Four-sided Triangles]

I need not waste my time formulating an argument against one so clearly disturbed.

I could say the same, but I actually have some semblance of maturity.

[Ovisterra]

Some cultures do. The whole point of America is that they can bring over those cultural features that do not involve violating the rights of others and live according to them without interference.

No, they can't. They can either adapt to Christian culture in America, or they can stay home.

1. Evolution works at the level of genes, not species.

2. Why am I obligated to work for the survival of the species?

3. Reproduction can now be done without any sex at all, and soon, reproduction can occur without pregnancy, as we will be able to construct artificial uteri.

The results of a self-absorbed, narcissistic generation raised on the Internet.

All of those are the results of us internet people? So:

1. We defined how evolution works? Whoa.

2. No, internet people are not why your quoted user has to work for human survival.

3. So you think we invented artificial reproduction?

[Bluth Corporation]

Are mutually exclusive. The latter directly contradicts the former. The whole point of "liberty" is that you can adapt whatever cultural forms you wish, live in whatever manner you wish, so long as you're not violating anyone else's rights.

Ah, the shallow, superficial reasoning produced by higher education. Multiculturalism fermenting men's minds! Oughts and shoulds are not expressions of tyranny.

By themselves, no. But when the "should" is used in the context of "the government should impose/maintain/forbid XYZ," then that's exactly what they are.

[Noveros Prime]

I could say the same, but I actually have some semblance of maturity.

So mature that you believe that sex degrades women. A pity. Or perhaps a blessing that you genetic code shall ever remain imprisoned in your loins.

By themselves, no. But when the "should" is used in the context of "the government should impose/maintain/forbid XYZ," then that's exactly what they are.

Simple, simple boy, I never did indeed speak of the government imposing such will.

[Four-sided Triangles]

I should probably excuse myself from this thread, before I get too angry and say something in a way I'll regret.

[Archem States]

I should probably excuse myself from this thread, before I get too angry and say something in a way I'll regret.

No, by all means stay. I most certaintly wouldn't regret listening to what you have to say about him.

[Talislanta]

Anyone who is against gay marriage is a close minded bigot, Christianity has nothing against homosexuals. Only the twisted version of US Christianity thinks so.

[Ovisterra]

Are mutually exclusive. The latter directly contradicts the former. The whole point of "liberty" is that you can adapt whatever cultural forms you wish, live in whatever manner you wish, so long as you're not violating anyone else's rights.

Ah, the shallow, superficial reasoning produced by higher education. Multiculturalism fermenting men's minds! Oughts and shoulds are not expressions of tyranny.

Nice, no argument, just a petty insult.

I need not waste my time formulating an argument against one so clearly disturbed.

On the "argument strength scale" of zero to six, you produced a one. Well done.

No one's going to listen to you if you just say "ZOMG YOU CAN'T BE RIGHT COS YOU'RE MENTALLY ILL COS YOU DISAGREE WITH ME".

Actually having a logical basis for your points: Try it.

(I just scored a 5/6!)

[Waldochia]

I think it's wrong. The last thing we need is a bunch of Gay marriges popping up. I once went to WalMart and saw 2 teenage girls kissing. If you want to be married as a Gay go to New York and shut up while I marry a hot straight girl. if you are Gay go to New York. Gay people shouldn't have rights. Homosexuality should be banned in America. I take it back going into New York. Go to Canada and live as a happy gay or leasbian couple.

[Chau-Sara]

Some cultures do. The whole point of America is that they can bring over those cultural features that do not involve violating the rights of others and live according to them without interference.

No, they can't. They can either adapt to Christian culture in America, or they can stay home.

You know, you make me sick, plain and simple. It is Revolting how you refer to Christian culture being the say all end all. I AM christian and it's people with that same self-righteous Attitude that make me want to re- think my beliefs. You are going to have to learn that the world does not bend to your god and live with the rest of us " sinners " asshole

[Grave_n_idle]

No, they can't. They can either adapt to Christian culture in America, or they can stay home.

The Mighty Gitche Manitou agrees in principle, but thinks you're wrong on the details...

*nods*

[Archem States]

I think it's wrong. The last thing we need is a bunch of Gay marriges popping up. I once went to WalMart and saw 2 teenage girls kissing. If you want to be married as a Gay go to New York and shut up while I marry a hot straight girl. if you are Gay go to New York. Gay people shouldn't have rights. Homosexuality should be banned in America. I take it back going into New York. Go to Canada and live as a happy gay or leasbian couple.

My spidey sense are tingling. I detect a troll.

[Noveros Prime]

Anyone who is against gay marriage is a close minded bigot, Christianity has nothing against homosexuals. Only the twisted version of US Christianity thinks so.

And all the "versions" of Christianity that have come before.

Ah, the shallow, superficial reasoning produced by higher education. Multiculturalism fermenting men's minds! Oughts and shoulds are not expressions of tyranny.

I need not waste my time formulating an argument against one so clearly disturbed.

On the [url="argument strength scale"]http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html[/url] of zero to six, you produced a one. Well done.

No one's going to listen to you if you just say "ZOMG YOU CAN'T BE RIGHT COS YOU'RE MENTALLY ILL COS YOU DISAGREE WITH ME".

Actually having a logical basis for your points: Try it.

(I just scored a 5/6!)

But he is mentally ill.

[The Halbetan Union]

Anyone who is against gay marriage is a close minded bigot, Christianity has nothing against homosexuals. Only the twisted version of US Christianity thinks so.

The Vatican.