US saves Europe.

[Malgrave]

Now just wait for WWIII.

Prove me wrong Europe, prove me wrong.

The last time I can remember the US saving Europe was the Marshall Plan.
World War One and Two? Nope.Avi.

[Demarlandia]

Well.The Argie goes to rape their head, wash your shirt stille 18th street.Because I am an argie dog.I'm a ARGIE dog who was shot the house in a shooting driving when I was writing now here.and the doggie gang of other neighborhood threatened that if the dealer does not work, rape my girlfriend in a gang bang, and me in the best styleVarg Vikerness I will murdered with an ax oxidized.
Is a disgrace that I live in Argentina, and That I Not in America.My life is an hell.
See You Later....

A. Learn to use spellcheck.
B. Try to learn English.
C. An as Argie, shouldn't you be railing at us Brits for defeating your attempted imperialism on the Falklands rather than calling Lacky a Jewneck?

A-Ok.I am not an phenomenal multi lingual well speaker like you..
B-I will do to perfectionate my english, jeje
C-In your caracterization of red germanic militant.Are you doing something any action for clearing to Germany of the Anglo-Yankee militar presence,70 years later, with their manny bases that use to invading the Arabian countries ,fighting for Sion??
You are an chicken .The former Democratic Republic of Germany didn`t any action against the Pro Yankee line of the Unified German Goverment.
C-I did gues that Baader Meinhof militants were against the Imperialist Britain , and commend to National Liberation s of Third World.-You are a cepoy of NWO

Excuse me , for my bad english, I dont know too fine like you.

[Demarlandia]

They said in order to help Europe the US treasury had to run the money printing presses. Thats not really a good thing to do.

Heard on the radio that this European mess was started mainly by European Banks and not the govts. These banks should be made to absorb the losses but the govts. decided to help them by using taxpayers money to bail them out.

Time to dump dollars and Euros and buy Guaranies.

They are currently eliminating three zeros from there currency. The old Guaranies was South Americas most stable currency.

Old Currency
(Image)
New Currency
(Image)

I Agree

[Risottia]

You are an chicken
Are you an cepoy of NWO

Bad English can be excused. Flaming, on the other hand, can't.
/notamod.

[Vaugania]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204012004577069960192509068.html?mod=WSJ_economy_LEADStoryTop


The federal reserve, Central bank of Japan, Central bank of Canada, Central bank of the UK, Central bank of Switzerland, and the European central bank have stepped into to save the financial systems of Europe.

The US is injecting liquidity into European markets with short term low interest rate loans.

So does this mean on my next trip to Europe I get more ass kissing ?


Personally I do not think we should have gotten involved. Trying to bailout an economy bigger then our own doesn't make much sense.

What does NSG think ?

If Europe fails, we fail. Due to our numerous trades with European countries, if they all fail they won't have enough money to buy our exports and then that will hurt our economy and the stock market will crash?

Where were you that week the DOW swing up and down 400 points at a time because of European uncertainty?

[Demarlandia]

You are an chicken
Are you an cepoy of NWO

Bad English can be excused. Flaming, on the other hand, can't.
/notamod.

FAKE.Sorry

[Vetok]

A. Learn to use spellcheck.
B. Try to learn English.
C. An as Argie, shouldn't you be railing at us Brits for defeating your attempted imperialism on the Falklands rather than calling Lacky a Jewneck?

A-Ok.I am not an phenomenal multi lingual well speaker like you..
B-I will do to perfectionate my english, jeje
C-In your caracterization of red germanic militant.Are you doing something any action for clearing to Germany of the Anglo-Yankee militar presence,70 years later, with their manny bases that use to invading the Arabian countries ,fighting for Sion??
You are an chicken .The former Democratic Republic of Germany didn`t any action against the Pro Yankee line of the Unified German Goverment.
C-I did gues that Baader Meinhof militants were against the Imperialist Britain , and commend to National Liberation s of Third World.-You are a cepoy of NWO

Excuse me , for my bad english, I dont know too fine like you.

I fear that if I understood this, I'd go insane. I'm not bi-lingual, I speak English because I'm British. Are we talking about Argentina, the Red Army Faction, or the Baader-Meinhoff Gang?

[Demarlandia]

A-Ok.I am not an phenomenal multi lingual well speaker like you..
B-I will do to perfectionate my english, jeje
C-In your caracterization of red germanic militant.Are you doing something any action for clearing to Germany of the Anglo-Yankee militar presence,70 years later, with their manny bases that use to invading the Arabian countries ,fighting for Sion??
You are an chicken .The former Democratic Republic of Germany didn`t any action against the Pro Yankee line of the Unified German Goverment.
C-I did gues that Baader Meinhof militants were against the Imperialist Britain , and commend to National Liberation s of Third World.-You are a cepoy of NWO

Excuse me , for my bad english, I dont know too fine like you.

I fear that if I understood this, I'd go insane. I'm not bi-lingual, I speak English because I'm British. Are we talking about Argentina, the Red Army Faction, or the Baader-Meinhoff Gang?

Are you British.Then this conversation is closed.So, If If you were German, as your flag reflects that, we could keep talking

[Vetok]

I fear that if I understood this, I'd go insane. I'm not bi-lingual, I speak English because I'm British. Are we talking about Argentina, the Red Army Faction, or the Baader-Meinhoff Gang?

Are you British.Then this conversation is closed.So, If If you were German, as your flag reflects that, we could keep talking

This conversation started because you said you were an 'Argie', which is the derogatory British name for Argentinians and I asked why you were going on about Lacky being a Jewish redneck rather than the Falklands/Las Malvinas. Now you're saying that because you thought I'm German, I can't talk about anything to do with Germany or whatever the hell you were trying to say?

[Keronians]

Fine.

Don't help and see the lack of a recovery due to contagion from Europe.

We've already been seeing that.

Which is why you've woken up and realised that you need to chip in.

[Caninope]

We've already been seeing that.

Which is why you've woken up and realised that you need to chip in.

We've been chipping in since the 1940's, Keronians. Marshall Plan and all that.

[Greed and Death]

Which is why you've woken up and realised that you need to chip in.

We've been chipping in since the 1940's, Keronians. Marshall Plan and all that.

the IMF and the world bank.
Both really just schemes to transfer money from the west and the US to the developing world. OF course now its transfer money from the US to europe.

[Malhavok]

We've been chipping in since the 1940's, Keronians. Marshall Plan and all that.

the IMF and the world bank.
Both really just schemes to transfer money from the west and the US to the developing world. OF course now its transfer money from the US to parts of europe europe.

Please don't include the UK and nations that aren't being bailed out in that, please.

And the imf are cunts.

[Keronians]

Which is why you've woken up and realised that you need to chip in.

We've been chipping in since the 1940's, Keronians. Marshall Plan and all that.

Yeah, you realised you had to chip in in the '40s (and '50s), and you've realised that you need to chip in now.

What about it? It wasn't a negative comment towards the US... It was merely a statement of mutual benefit. God knows that Europe needs the money, and the US needs a healthy Europe.

[Maeksa]

Horrible move. Europe has had extreme spending, just like us, except in Europe, it's good to give money to horribly irresponsible people, and countries, such as Germany and France giving money to Greece. If there were stupid enough to spend all of that money, then let them fail. Let America fail too, don't bail us out, please. Our leaders need to be taught responsibility, as do European ones.

[Keronians]

Horrible move. Europe has had extreme spending, just like us, except in Europe, it's good to give money to horribly irresponsible people, and countries, such as Germany and France giving money to Greece. If there were stupid enough to spend all of that money, then let them fail. Let America fail too, don't bail us out, please. Our leaders need to be taught responsibility, as do European ones.

You want the whole world to crash? European crash would lead to a global crash...

[Xanixi]

Horrible move. Europe has had extreme spending, just like us, except in Europe, it's good to give money to horribly irresponsible people, and countries, such as Germany and France giving money to Greece. If there were stupid enough to spend all of that money, then let them fail. Let America fail too, don't bail us out, please. Our leaders need to be taught responsibility, as do European ones.

I dont think you understand the kind of catastrophe that would occur. Look at how the world works, and tell me that a European collapse is the right path for us.

Europe is a large contributor to the export incomes of the United States, the country that supports 2/3 of the World Economy through its consumerism, and the remaining 1/3 of the world relies on nations that rely on American consumerism. Basically, the whole world depends on the American that likes to spend. But those Americans need to have money to spend it. That's where Europe comes in (In this specific situation!!!). Their contribution to the income of the US helps us buy stuff from other nations, and helps keep the entirely of the World Economy from collapsing (worse than now, I mean). If Europe were to fall, the amount of money they contribute to American incomes would go down, which causes the Americans that spend a lot of money to not have as much money to spend. As less money gets spent, more and more countries are left with a gap usually filled by AC (American Consumerism), and they, therefore, cannot supply other nations. The world economy goes down, and we go into an even shittier world.

Not just that, but look at Europe. Them and the US have a large influence on the world, and many nations, like the US, rely on European consumerism for parts of their own economy. Take that money away, and...well, you get the picture.

Now, Imagine. A nation whose economy is basically made out of American and European consumerism. The collapse of Europe wouldn't be a good move for their nation, would it? We're looking to make the world economy heal, not blow up.

So, I really don't care in which nation you live in, if this economy fails, like you want it to, and, in turn, the American economy fails, you WILL BE AFFECTED. People know that, right now, life is a bitch. If both of these economies fail... I cant even find a good enough phrase...

[Keronians]

Horrible move. Europe has had extreme spending, just like us, except in Europe, it's good to give money to horribly irresponsible people, and countries, such as Germany and France giving money to Greece. If there were stupid enough to spend all of that money, then let them fail. Let America fail too, don't bail us out, please. Our leaders need to be taught responsibility, as do European ones.

I dont think you understand the kind of catastrophe that would occur. Look at how the world works, and tell me that a European collapse is the right path for us.

Europe is a large contributor to the export incomes of the United States, the country that supports 2/3 of the World Economy through its consumerism, and the remaining 1/3 of the world relies on nations that rely on American consumerism. Basically, the whole world depends on the American that likes to spend. But those Americans need to have money to spend it. That's where Europe comes in (In this specific situation!!!). Their contribution to the income of the US helps us buy stuff from other nations, and helps keep the entirely of the World Economy from collapsing (worse than now, I mean). If Europe were to fall, the amount of money they contribute to American incomes would go down, which causes the Americans that spend a lot of money to not have as much money to spend. As less money gets spent, more and more countries are left with a gap usually filled by AC (American Consumerism), and they, therefore, cannot supply other nations. The world economy goes down, and we go into an even shittier world.

Not just that, but look at Europe. Them and the US have a large influence on the world, and many nations, like the US, rely on European consumerism for parts of their own economy. Take that money away, and...well, you get the picture.

Now, Imagine. A nation whose economy is basically made out of American and European consumerism. The collapse of Europe wouldn't be a good move for their nation, would it? We're looking to make the world economy heal, not blow up.

So, I really don't care in which nation you live in, if this economy fails, like you want it to, and, in turn, the American economy fails, you WILL BE AFFECTED. People know that, right now, life is a bitch. If both of these economies fail... I cant even find a good enough phrase...

Source this "2/3" figure.

World GDP = ~$63 trillion

American GDP = ~$14.5 trillion

14.5/63 x 100 = ~23%

EU GDP = ~$16 trillion

16/63 x 100 = ~25%

A European collapse, even if there was no overlap between it and America (or the rest of the world) would still drag the world down for decades.

Now, I agree with the rest of your post. But Europe, even without taking into account the (inevitable) American, and subsequent, global crash, crashing is enough to take the world with it.

The EU is the largest investor in South Korea. It is also, IIRC, China's largest export market. Japan relies heavily on European imports. China's economy relies heavily on German capital goods. And so on and so forth.

[Xanixi]

I dont think you understand the kind of catastrophe that would occur. Look at how the world works, and tell me that a European collapse is the right path for us.

Europe is a large contributor to the export incomes of the United States, the country that supports 2/3 of the World Economy through its consumerism, and the remaining 1/3 of the world relies on nations that rely on American consumerism. Basically, the whole world depends on the American that likes to spend. But those Americans need to have money to spend it. That's where Europe comes in (In this specific situation!!!). Their contribution to the income of the US helps us buy stuff from other nations, and helps keep the entirely of the World Economy from collapsing (worse than now, I mean). If Europe were to fall, the amount of money they contribute to American incomes would go down, which causes the Americans that spend a lot of money to not have as much money to spend. As less money gets spent, more and more countries are left with a gap usually filled by AC (American Consumerism), and they, therefore, cannot supply other nations. The world economy goes down, and we go into an even shittier world.

Not just that, but look at Europe. Them and the US have a large influence on the world, and many nations, like the US, rely on European consumerism for parts of their own economy. Take that money away, and...well, you get the picture.

Now, Imagine. A nation whose economy is basically made out of American and European consumerism. The collapse of Europe wouldn't be a good move for their nation, would it? We're looking to make the world economy heal, not blow up.

So, I really don't care in which nation you live in, if this economy fails, like you want it to, and, in turn, the American economy fails, you WILL BE AFFECTED. People know that, right now, life is a bitch. If both of these economies fail... I cant even find a good enough phrase...

Source this "2/3" figure. One of my professors mentioned it to me recently, when I spoke with him.

My following additions are from the CIA World Factbook

World GDP = ~$63 trillion $74.54 trillion (2010)

American GDP = ~$14.5 trillion

14.5/63 x 100 = ~23%

EU GDP = ~$16 trillion

16/63 x 100 = ~25%

Perhaps my professor was wrong. Ill speak with him again soon.

A European collapse, even if there was no overlap between it and America (or the rest of the world) would still drag the world down for decades. True. I didn't mean to mean that a European collapse, even if the US was not affected by some divine miracle, would not bring the world down. The EU alone is perfectly possible of accounting for a large part of the world economy

Now, I agree with the rest of your post. But Europe, even without taking into account the (inevitable) American, and subsequent, global crash, crashing is enough to take the world with it.

The EU is the largest investor in South Korea. It is also, IIRC, China's largest export market. Japan relies heavily on European imports. China's economy relies heavily on German capital goods. And so on and so forth.

1) I added some stuff to the quotes above.

2) Personally, the last thing I want to see is the collapse of the Euro (not because I don't want to see the collapse of the Dollar [though it is one reason], but because Im using it...), but with the current situation that we're in, they're actually talking about going back to the original currencies, before the Euro came along. In the event that Germany leaves, like I posted several pages back, that gives the Euro the breeze it needs to fall of a mountain cliff, as much as we would rather that not happen.

[Keronians]

Source this "2/3" figure. One of my professors mentioned it to me recently, when I spoke with him.

My following additions are from the CIA World Factbook

World GDP = ~$63 trillion $74.54 trillion (2010)

American GDP = ~$14.5 trillion

14.5/63 x 100 = ~23%

EU GDP = ~$16 trillion

16/63 x 100 = ~25%

Perhaps my professor was wrong. Ill speak with him again soon.

A European collapse, even if there was no overlap between it and America (or the rest of the world) would still drag the world down for decades. True. I didn't mean to mean that a European collapse, even if the US was not affected by some divine miracle, would not bring the world down. The EU alone is perfectly possible of accounting for a large part of the world economy

Now, I agree with the rest of your post. But Europe, even without taking into account the (inevitable) American, and subsequent, global crash, crashing is enough to take the world with it.

The EU is the largest investor in South Korea. It is also, IIRC, China's largest export market. Japan relies heavily on European imports. China's economy relies heavily on German capital goods. And so on and so forth.

1) I added some stuff to the quotes above.

2) Personally, the last thing I want to see is the collapse of the Euro (not because I don't want to see the collapse of the Dollar [though it is one reason], but because Im using it...), but with the current situation that we're in, they're actually talking about going back to the original currencies, before the Euro came along. In the event that Germany leaves, like I posted several pages back, that gives the Euro the breeze it needs to fall of a mountain cliff, as much as we would rather that not happen.

No, $74.5 trillion is GDP PPP. Not nominal.

Anyway, yeah, your figures are right (on the world economy) if you use PPP. My source was the World Bank (for nominal).

America's GDP PPP = ~$14.7 trillion

14.7/74.5 x 100 = 19.7%

EU GDP PPP = ~$14.8 trillion

14.8/74.5 x 100 = 19.9%

I suppose that what really stands out is the fact that Europe's GDP PPP is significantly (around $2 trillion) lower than its nominal GDP. And America's GDP PPP is slightly (around $300 billion) superior to its nominal GDP.

My sources were also the CIA World Factbook.

[Demarlandia]

Are you British.Then this conversation is closed.So, If If you were German, as your flag reflects that, we could keep talking

This conversation started because you said you were an 'Argie', which is the derogatory British name for Argentinians and I asked why you were going on about Lacky being a Jewish redneck rather than the Falklands/Las Malvinas. Now you're saying that because you thought I'm German, I can't talk about anything to do with Germany or whatever the hell you were trying to say?

Is evident that you dont understand nothing about a ironic talk.if you had bothered to follow the thread of the conversation between your friend "Laky" and me.Sure that you `ll be understood.'m not using those depective rotules so characteristic of the English people.And as' own label despective These I use like Argie, just making fun of myself, playing with her shit nicknames, making them own.Because I asume that Argentina was a semi-colony of his "gracious " majesty.Like Lenin explained.Since the English not only because they have invaded and killed thousands of subjugated countries, but it also made ​​fun of the citizens of the countries dominated by them.Also I tell to you why I have not talk about our Malvinas Islands, which I assume cost you a superhuman strove call this BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE DOMINATION OVER ME.You, the English people like youis drunk by egotist yet with your fuckin provocative flag with"Dont Cry for Me Argentina".I `m not criyng.Some day we back to take control over our usurped lands .You are crying with the economic situation of Now.Provoque for you damn invent ,The Neo liberal Capitalism. And your friend Lacky can defense herself.Your friend Lacky called to me "nIGGER".So shut up

[Vetok]

This conversation started because you said you were an 'Argie', which is the derogatory British name for Argentinians and I asked why you were going on about Lacky being a Jewish redneck rather than the Falklands/Las Malvinas. Now you're saying that because you thought I'm German, I can't talk about anything to do with Germany or whatever the hell you were trying to say?

Is evident that you dont understand nothing about a ironic talk.if you had bothered to follow the thread of the conversation between your friend "Laky" and me.Sure that you `ll be understood.'m not using those depective rotules so characteristic of the English people.And as' own label despective These I use like Argie, just making fun of myself, playing with her shit nicknames, making them own.Because I asume that Argentina was a semi-colony of his "gracious " majesty.Like Lenin explained.Since the English not only because they have invaded and killed thousands of subjugated countries, but it also made ​​fun of the citizens of the countries dominated by them.Also I tell to you why I have not talk about our Malvinas Islands, which I assume cost you a superhuman strove call this BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE DOMINATION OVER ME.You, the English people like youis drunk by egotist yet with your fuckin provocative flag with"Dont Cry for Me Argentina".I `m not criyng.Some day we back to take control over our usurped lands .You are crying with the economic situation of Now.Provoque for you damn invent ,The Neo liberal Capitalism. And your friend Lacky can defense herself.Your friend Lacky called to me "nIGGER".So shut up

A. Lacky isn't my friend, I just can't be arsed typing out (presumably) 'his' name.
B. When the hell did you mention Britain before then?
C. When did you go all Argentine nationalist on me? I thought you were talking about the Red Army Faction.

[Caninope]

We've been chipping in since the 1940's, Keronians. Marshall Plan and all that.

Yeah, you realised you had to chip in in the '40s (and '50s), and you've realised that you need to chip in now.

What about it? It wasn't a negative comment towards the US... It was merely a statement of mutual benefit. God knows that Europe needs the money, and the US needs a healthy Europe.

When do we start getting our return on our investment?

[AiliailiA]

So, this is a line of cheap credit denominated in US dollars?

1. Just how cheap are the loans?
2. If the US dollar falls, doesn't the Fed and the other central banks make money at pretty much any interest rate?

[Ethel mermania]

So, this is a line of cheap credit denominated in US dollars?

1. Just how cheap are the loans?
2. If the US dollar falls, doesn't the Fed and the other central banks make money at pretty much any interest rate?

1. I think they dropped it 50 basis points over the fed window, so it is somewhere in the 1 or 2 pct area.

2. otherway around, cheap dollar the fed loses dollars cause it takes less euro's to repay


"Details of the agreement? Well, the ECB must pay the Fed a private sector overnight lending rate plus 0.5 per cent point that they previously paid in addition to 1 per cent point"

quoted from an an interesting article from an unexpected

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2011/12/can-the-us-afford-to-bail-out-europe/