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Postby Xanixi » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:24 pm

Rynatia wrote:
greed and death wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204012004577069960192509068.html?mod=WSJ_economy_LEADStoryTop


The federal reserve, Central bank of Japan, Central bank of Canada, Central bank of the UK, Central bank of Switzerland, and the European central bank have stepped into to save the financial systems of Europe.

The US is injecting liquidity into European markets with short term low interest rate loans.

So does this mean on my next trip to Europe I get more ass kissing ?


Personally I do not think we should have gotten involved. Trying to bailout an economy bigger then our own doesn't make much sense.

What does NSG think ?



Honestly, us Europeans don't generally like you Americans. That's horse-shit. If you feel like hating on Americans, feel free, but that doesn't mean everyone does, and it's actually quite possible that you have yet to meet every American. JUST SAYIN!

With your wars That several European nations got into (assuming its Iraq and Afghanistan)

Absurd accents You act as if it's our fault that our English is different from yours...

Self-righteousness This is based on how many encounters with Americans?

Stealing of the English language What's America but an evolved English Colony?
and horrible justice and constitution systems.Not to mention how most of you are Enlighten me, how are most of us? This is basically a rhetorical question, as you have yet to meet most Americans. I doubt you've actually ever talked to more than a tiny fraction of the American Population

Not to mention you and your bankers are also responsible for a depression through Europe. You can barely say "you", as most Americans didn't have anything to do with it. It accidentally unfolded, and everything fell

over weight... Granted, but how does the American people having a large obesity rate actually affect any European nations? Whatever happened to "Dont judge a book by its cover"?

So No you will not get any ass kissing America, we would prefer if you went back to isolation. That's rather harsh, isn't it? Isolation caused how many deaths for the UK? How many lives were saved when we pushed out of Isolation? Estimates are fine, thank you!

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Postby Keronians » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:24 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Rynatia wrote:Even if that was a possibility, the USA would not be capable of taking all of Europe and anyone else who would jump in.
Also that as far as I know the UK is still part of the EU.

Of course we could. What you don't know is that over the last 65 years our brave young and, may I say, virile soldiers have been ... ah ... spreading American ... "values" all over Europe. As soon as the balloon goes up and millions of Europeans see the Stars and Stripes marching triumphantly toward them, they will throw down their arms and embrace their new paternal overlords.


Naturally.

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Though now seriously, I doubt the US could even retain a port on the European continent for long.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:25 pm

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Rynatia wrote:Even if that was a possibility, the USA would not be capable of taking all of Europe and anyone else who would jump in.
Also that as far as I know the UK is still part of the EU.

Of course we could. What you don't know is that over the last 65 years our brave young and, may I say, virile soldiers have been ... ah ... spreading American ... "values" all over Europe. As soon as the balloon goes up and millions of Europeans see the Stars and Stripes marching triumphantly toward them, they will throw down their arms and embrace their new paternal overlords.

I get to be military Governor of Italy.
I will throw more bunga bunga parties then that so called prime minister could ever dream.
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Postby Keronians » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:26 pm

greed and death wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Of course we could. What you don't know is that over the last 65 years our brave young and, may I say, virile soldiers have been ... ah ... spreading American ... "values" all over Europe. As soon as the balloon goes up and millions of Europeans see the Stars and Stripes marching triumphantly toward them, they will throw down their arms and embrace their new paternal overlords.

I get to be military Governor of Italy.
I will throw more bunga bunga parties then that so called prime minister could ever dream.


I will gatecrash.
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Postby Hypparchia » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:27 pm

The last time the U.S. saved Europe's economies, we laughed at the Second World Joke of Germany.

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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:29 pm

Keronians wrote:
greed and death wrote:I get to be military Governor of Italy.
I will throw more bunga bunga parties then that so called prime minister could ever dream.


I will gatecrash.

No, need there are plenty of Italian woman who are drawn to men of power to go around.
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Postby The Soviet British Isles » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:30 pm

greed and death wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:Always having to save those Euros from themselves. *sighs*

:P


I mean come on 1st WW1, then WW2, then the Cold War. Seeshhhh

This is 4 times in less then a century.


the US did nothing in WW1, you only lost 100,000 men against a dying Germany.

In ww2, your right in that we couldn't have done D-Day, but otherwise we were fine, and besides, the Russians won WW2 anyway.

And there was no-one for you to save us from in the Cold War! There was no combat!

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Postby Raleigh » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:30 pm

I'm surprised the US hasn't gotten tired of having to come over and help Europe out.
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Postby Firebrands » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:30 pm

greed and death wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:Always having to save those Euros from themselves. *sighs*

:P


I mean come on 1st WW1, then WW2, then the Cold War. Seeshhhh

This is 4 times in less then a century.


WW1?
And arguably we were likly to win ww2 with Russia
And I think America started the cold war (And if they wern't involved we wouldn't have an economy under communism so the problem would be solved anyway)
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Postby Keronians » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:31 pm

The Soviet British Isles wrote:
greed and death wrote:
I mean come on 1st WW1, then WW2, then the Cold War. Seeshhhh

This is 4 times in less then a century.


the US did nothing in WW1, you only lost 100,000 men against a dying Germany.

In ww2, your right in that we couldn't have done D-Day, but otherwise we were fine, and besides, the Russians won WW2 anyway.

And there was no-one for you to save us from in the Cold War! There was no combat!


Oh, there most certainly was.

To be honest, Europe would not be Europe today if it was not for the Marshall Plan.

Of course, even that was not American altruism (though it did play a part). America had its own interests at heart too.
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Postby Raleigh » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:32 pm

Hypparchia wrote:The last time the U.S. saved Europe's economies, we laughed at the Second World Joke of Germany.

The "Second" time we saved Europe's economies, West Germany came back and eventually became a powerhouse.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:33 pm

Firebrands wrote:
greed and death wrote:
I mean come on 1st WW1, then WW2, then the Cold War. Seeshhhh

This is 4 times in less then a century.


WW1?
And arguably we were likly to win ww2 with Russia
And I think America started the cold war (And if they wern't involved we wouldn't have an economy under communism so the problem would be solved anyway)

Wait, what? How did we start the Cold War and how are we responsible for whatever the rest of that sentence says?
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Postby Keronians » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:33 pm

Firebrands wrote:
greed and death wrote:
I mean come on 1st WW1, then WW2, then the Cold War. Seeshhhh

This is 4 times in less then a century.


WW1?
And arguably we were likly to win ww2 with Russia
And I think America started the cold war (And if they wern't involved we wouldn't have an economy under communism so the problem would be solved anyway)


America didn't start the Cold War.

Both America and the USSR started it. It was inevitable. There was no common enemy uniting the two nations, their ideologies were vastly different from the other, and they were both the most powerful countries in the world. To top it off, their leaders (Truman and Stalin) didn't get along.

A fall out was inevitable. Competition for global hegemony was set up.
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Postby Rio Cana » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:37 pm

They said in order to help Europe the US treasury had to run the money printing presses. Thats not really a good thing to do.

Heard on the radio that this European mess was started mainly by European Banks and not the govts. These banks should be made to absorb the losses but the govts. decided to help them by using taxpayers money to bail them out.

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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:38 pm

The Soviet British Isles wrote:
greed and death wrote:
I mean come on 1st WW1, then WW2, then the Cold War. Seeshhhh

This is 4 times in less then a century.


the US did nothing in WW1, you only lost 100,000 men against a dying Germany.

In ww2, your right in that we couldn't have done D-Day, but otherwise we were fine, and besides, the Russians won WW2 anyway.

And there was no-one for you to save us from in the Cold War! There was no combat!

You leave out why Germany was dying. OH wait was it because they conducted one last major do or die offensives in an attempt to beat the allies before the US could fully mobilize. Without US involvement they never would have launched such desperate attack. Also they would not have gotten out of their trenches so Easily if the US had not become involved and promised a peace based off the 14 points. But hey keep looking very short term in history.

WWII is more laughable, sure Russia won the war, 50% of their equipment and raw materials( and they were already at 2 soldiers per rifle) came from the US, starting before we even got into the war. A Soviet army at half size would have lost Stalingrad and everything between that and Vladivostok.
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Postby Xanixi » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:40 pm

Firebrands wrote:
greed and death wrote:
I mean come on 1st WW1, then WW2, then the Cold War. Seeshhhh

This is 4 times in less then a century.


WW1?
And arguably we were likly to win ww2 with Russia
And I think America started the cold war (And if they wern't involved we wouldn't have an economy under communism so the problem would be solved anyway)


1) I agree. I'm American, but (other than supplies), the US did next to nothing for WWI

2) WWII would have taken slightly longer without American aid. Russia was actually telling the US to get it's sorry ass into Western Europe, because they needed to corner Germany in. Without it, it would have been a chase across the Third Reich.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:41 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Firebrands wrote:
WW1?
And arguably we were likly to win ww2 with Russia
And I think America started the cold war (And if they wern't involved we wouldn't have an economy under communism so the problem would be solved anyway)

Wait, what? How did we start the Cold War and how are we responsible for whatever the rest of that sentence says?

I think he is saying if the US did not help during the Cold war, all of Europe would have the economy of Kosovo so there would be no need to bail them out now.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:46 pm

greed and death wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Wait, what? How did we start the Cold War and how are we responsible for whatever the rest of that sentence says?

I think he is saying if the US did not help during the Cold war, all of Europe would have the economy of Kosovo so there would be no need to bail them out now.

Really? *holds those words up to the light, turning them around and around* Oh, yeah, okay, if you look at it just ... so ... Okay, I got it.
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Postby Malgrave » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:57 pm

No thread title change then? Multiple Central Banks save Europe?
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Postby Caninope » Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:59 pm

Hey all you guys who keep saying "oh it was multiple banks, horrible thread title gnd" I need to point something out. The Federal Reserve brokered the deal. It took the lead.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:02 pm

Malgrave wrote:No thread title change then? Multiple Central Banks save Europe?

If you'd like to petition the Mods to change it, feel free. G&D's within his rights, I believe.
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Postby Caninope » Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:03 pm

Malgrave wrote:No thread title change then? Multiple Central Banks save Europe?

The Federal Reserve probably has far foreign reserves in this. Also, the Fed brokered the deal.
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Postby Malgrave » Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:08 pm

Caninope wrote:Hey all you guys who keep saying "oh it was multiple banks, horrible thread title gnd" I need to point something out. The Federal Reserve brokered the deal. It took the lead.


The US led the effort into Afghanistan it does not mean that other nations like the United Kingdom, Estonia and Poland do not deserve praise or recognition for their involvement.
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Postby Xanixi » Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:13 pm

Malgrave wrote:
Caninope wrote:Hey all you guys who keep saying "oh it was multiple banks, horrible thread title gnd" I need to point something out. The Federal Reserve brokered the deal. It took the lead.


The US led the effort into Afghanistan it does not mean that other nations like the United Kingdom, Estonia and Poland do not deserve praise or recognition for their involvement.


As true as that is, how would it seem if he placed the massive title of "The US, UK, Japan, Canada Etc. Saved Europe"? He decided that it was best to just put the largest contributor (The US) in the title. It doesn't mean that the other nations aren't going to get recognition for their actions.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:17 pm

Xanixi wrote:
Malgrave wrote:
The US led the effort into Afghanistan it does not mean that other nations like the United Kingdom, Estonia and Poland do not deserve praise or recognition for their involvement.


As true as that is, how would it seem if he placed the massive title of "The US, UK, Japan, Canada Etc. Saved Europe"? He decided that it was best to just put the largest contributor (The US) in the title. It doesn't mean that the other nations aren't going to get recognition for their actions.

Considering that G&D puts the other nations in the first line of his OP, he doesn't seem to be going out of his way to ignore the other contributors. Its only natural for the nation thats doing 2/3rds of the lifting to be recognized a little more than the rest...
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