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Cameroi
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Postby Cameroi » Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:59 am

u.s. is the reason europe is in its mess. this liquidity swap deal, is like to sinking boats bailing each other out, which i don't quite see how these kinds of things work, but if the can keep bankers and economists happy enough to stop destroying the lives or real people places and things, well, we'll see whatever happens. i don't have the background to make a critical judgement here, but it does sort of sound like another 'financial industry' shuck and jive. if only because the phrase "financial service industry" sounds a whole lot like double talk for con game. but like i said; if i'm all wrong i'm all wrong.

all this stuff, you know, the real thing is that it isn't the little green pieces of paper that are unhappy.

you know the corporate mechanism is very well engineered for moving little green pieces of paper from where there are few of them to where there are many, so they can have lots of company.
it isn't designed at all to give a rats hind quarters about anything else. including having the faintest idea of even what any kind of social responsibility would be.
and that is the problem when you have otherwise democratically elected governments actually controlled by their corporate chambers of commerce.
however deniably and indirectly by controlling what the majority of people know, or thing they know about those in or running for, public office. let alone any sort of useful straight info on actual issues.

so you have all these people who are very smart in a context, economics, which self proclaims its disconnection from any kind of reality external to itself.

all i know is that it makes a great excuse for robbing from the poor and giving to the rich, which as far as i can see, and i think that goes for most average people when they are able to be honest with themselves.
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but as for anyone saving anything, well it isn't the mineral substrate of the planet that is in peril, u.s, europe, or any place else, it is the web of life, by all this monkeyfiddles with the little green pieces of paper, more then not, so "saving" this house of cards about little green pieces of paper, sounds a whole lot more positive then any observable effect of doing so can be seen on the ground.
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Postby Antariel » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:11 am

Smudgedonia wrote:At first I was like "Oh no he didn't" at the title

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Postby Cameroi » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:26 am

coins don't need human faces on them. to put one there, is a kind of deception too.

if you put some kind of animal on one side, and some kind of building on the other, at least they'd be prettier then some human, usually an ugly dead politician.
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US saves Europe.

Postby Cill Charthaigh » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:33 am

Great Agram wrote:
greed and death wrote:I do not think US's housing problem caused the Greeks to lie about their debt, and revenue. Also not the US's fault that the European banks bought Greek bonds like they were Candy either.

Also if anything, the sub-prime loans gave the banks in Europe something other than crappy Greek Bonds.

The eurpean banks had to buy greek bonds because Greek like some other european countries has the Euro. The problems is that an average US citizen dont know geography and starting to call "europe" instead of"greece". The US started the mess first, and germany and china helped the US because they are developed countries in compare to the US.

Learn that there is no"european countriy" nor "european nation", there is only greece, france, uk etc.


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Postby The Black Plains » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:40 am

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Galloism wrote:Who's going to if we don't? Seriously?

It's in the world's best interest that the Euro economy doesn't collapse.

And, Euro members... I expect my ass-kissing to commence post-haste.


If you were to shower more often...

In America we do not have bidets so your asskissing will be quite unpleasant.

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Postby Vetok » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:42 am

The Black Plains wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
If you were to shower more often...

In America we do not have bidets so your asskissing will be quite unpleasant.


Why would an American asskiss you then?

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Postby Divair » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:44 am

greed and death wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204012004577069960192509068.html?mod=WSJ_economy_LEADStoryTop


The federal reserve, Central bank of Japan, Central bank of Canada, Central bank of the UK, Central bank of Switzerland, and the European central bank have stepped into to save the financial systems of Europe.

The US is injecting liquidity into European markets with short term low interest rate loans.

So does this mean on my next trip to Europe I get more ass kissing ?


Personally I do not think we should have gotten involved. Trying to bailout an economy bigger then our own doesn't make much sense.

What does NSG think ?

"US saves Europe"

*OP lists Japan, Canada, UK, Switzerland, and central European bank*

Makes perfect sense :palm:

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Postby Neo Arcad » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:45 am

Ass-kissing's going to be an industry. That ought to stimulate their economy, eh?
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Postby Reich Eisen » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:45 am

this will do nothing to make europeans act more civil to americans, if saving them from german dommination dont do it then nothing will

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Postby Wazkyraque » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:48 am

Good to hear someone did something.
The EU is incredibly powerful economically; if the EU's economy crashes; multiple countries' economies crash.
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Postby Kilobugya » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:50 am

US is slowly starting to a tiny bit of cleaning of the mess it started with the Nixon treason (when Nixon abonned the gold standards for the dollar, while that was the condition for making for the dollar the international trade currency at Bretton Woods) and the subprime crisis, which is what, by domino effect of the insane global financial economy, triggerred the euro crisis.
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Postby GreaterAustria » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:51 am

Lol, Europe got into the crisis due to the US
Now they are angry at us having a crisis. Stupid Americans :evil:

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Postby The Black Plains » Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:53 am

GreaterAustria wrote:Lol, Europe got into the crisis due to the US
Now they are angry at us having a crisis. Stupid Americans :evil:

I'm sorry, the loan that saved your economy comes with a scapegoating fee. We will send you a bill for your pride and masculinity. Have a nice day.

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Postby GreaterAustria » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:39 am

Our governments are in trouble because they had to save the European banks.
The European banks were in trouble because the American Banks were in trouble.
The American banks were in trouble because of their f*cked up housing market.

And now the americans say have to spent more. We don't have money for that!
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:40 am

GreaterAustria wrote:Our governments are in trouble because they had to save the European banks.
The European banks were in trouble because the American Banks were in trouble.
The American banks were in trouble because of their f*cked up housing market.

And now the americans say have to spent more. We don't have money for that!

We could lend you some. Very reasonable rates. Just sign here ...
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Postby Malgrave » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:43 am

This thread title is completely misleading as other Central Banks including that of the United Kingdom and Switzerland are in this action. It seems that some Americans are trying to claim victory when they were part of a coalition again.

You have a greater chance of getting your ass kicked in my local area then kissed seeing as the last thing the Americans did for this area was kill a local soldier in a friendly fire incident.
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Postby Belvadaire » Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:54 am

US can't even save themselves, that just put US in more financle troubles, taking United statescitizens hard earned money to just give away to economies that's all part of a Global mission, NEW WORLD ORDER

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Postby Vetok » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:01 am

Belvadaire wrote:US can't even save themselves, that just put US in more financle troubles, taking United statescitizens hard earned money to just give away to economies that's all part of a Global mission, NEW WORLD ORDER


Can you say, 'Paranoiac'?

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Postby Ovisterra » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:06 am

I appreciate the help from the US, but to be honest they would have been better off staying put. They're struggling enough as is.
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Postby Alyakia » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:17 am

Divair wrote:
greed and death wrote:http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204012004577069960192509068.html?mod=WSJ_economy_LEADStoryTop


The federal reserve, Central bank of Japan, Central bank of Canada, Central bank of the UK, Central bank of Switzerland, and the European central bank have stepped into to save the financial systems of Europe.

The US is injecting liquidity into European markets with short term low interest rate loans.

So does this mean on my next trip to Europe I get more ass kissing ?


Personally I do not think we should have gotten involved. Trying to bailout an economy bigger then our own doesn't make much sense.

What does NSG think ?

"US saves Europe"

*OP lists Japan, Canada, UK, Switzerland, and central European bank*

Makes perfect sense :palm:

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Postby Alyakia » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:18 am

Reich Eisen wrote:this will do nothing to make europeans act more civil to americans, if saving them from german dommination dont do it then nothing will

you don't get WWII sorry
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Postby Socialist Republic of Chichistan » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:24 am

greed and death wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:Always having to save those Euros from themselves. *sighs*

:P


I mean come on 1st WW1, then WW2, then the Cold War. Seeshhhh

This is 4 times in less then a century.


World War One, you fought for a year... and even then did little compared to the European powers. World War Two was won by the Soviet Union, the US/UK/France etc. did relatively little compared to the Soviets, the Soviet casualties was abouit ten times the entire Allied (except USSR obviously) casualties combined. The Cold War was unnecessary, America stop spreading your gree- I mean democracy!
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Postby Ovisterra » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:26 am

Alyakia wrote:
Divair wrote:"US saves Europe"

*OP lists Japan, Canada, UK, Switzerland, and central European bank*

Makes perfect sense :palm:

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Postby Alyakia » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:29 am

greed and death already had enough trouble with with the Golden Gate bridge topic being misleading. Which wasn't actually misleading. Unlike this one. Mods please change title to "US, Japan, Canada, UK, Switzerland and Europe save Europe".
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Postby Ergalion » Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:33 am

Great Agram wrote:
greed and death wrote:Since your interconnected your economies with Greece and most European banks were affected by the debt crisis, We bailed out all of you.

Greece has the Euro, but it should not because it has been senidng false reports about its economy for years. The US started the crisis first back in 2008, they are to blame.

Germany saved the GM bach then, because the US drove threaten to desroy the world economy. And how do they thanks Germany and China?


greece is not to be blamed.(at least the people) the goverment always lied to the people of greece!they were stealing their own nation and we are sick of it(by we i mean greece) the goverment always lied to us.So why sould we get out of the Euro because some corrupted people hve taken the governance of our country??

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