Proof-existence of an intelligent Creator+His Purpose

[Tropical Montana]

Extrapolation is not proof. Faulty logic.


Just because the current observable trend is an expanding universe, you cannot prove that this has always been the case and that it began at 0.

Physics also shows that the universe is made up of opposites. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction--remember that?

Perhaps this expansion is just one side of a PULSE or a WAVE or a CIRCULAR motion

EXAMPLE: If you measured the direction of the (lack of) slope in 100 meters of ground outside your front door, you may 'prove' by extrapolation that the earth is flat. It is not proof, nor is it even accurate.

[Antilon]

Oh, there most definitely is an intelligent creator, and I worship her...

[The Alma Mater]

No eminent scientist represents that our perfectly-orderly universe can be explained ex nihilo without a Prime Cause.

True - because no eminent scientist is silly enough to claim our universe is perfectly ordered, while even ta casual glance will show you that it isn't

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Proof-existence of an intelligent Creator+His Purpose

Here follow the proofs:
Scientists have always inferred the origin of the universe by reversing the observed state of the universe. At first, the universe was thought to be static. Thus, science held that the universe simply "always was." Then scientists theorized that gravity must cause the universe to shrink. Thus, science changed its mind, inventing the "Big Bang" Theory. It wasn't until 1998 that astronomers discovered that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. Reversing an accelerating expansion to see back in time produces a universe that shrinks at a decelerating rate as one goes back in time to its origin. Follow this process to its ultimate and the rate of shrinkage reduces to converge with timespace where both are zero. That is, both shrinkage and timespace stop at timespace=0. Thus, timespace has a beginning.

From timespace=0, scientists hold that nothing in the universe magically "popped in" with no cause. It is a fundamental law of physics that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause.
The fundamental laws of physics then require a cause of the universe ex nihilo; i.e., a Prime Cause Singularity that is non-dimensional and independent of timespace. In contrast to endless opinionating of innumerable pseudo-scientific religionists, science recognizes the necessity of a Prime Cause ex nihilo

No eminent scientist represents that our perfectly-orderly universe can be explained ex nihilo without a Prime Cause. Being logically consistent (orderly), the universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Perfectly Orderly; i.e. Perfect. Therefore, no intelligent person can ignore that our purpose and challenge in life is learning how we, as imperfect humans, may successfully relate to a Perfect Singularity-Creator without our co-mingling, which transcends the timespace of this dimensional physical universe, becoming an imperfection to the Perfect Singularity-Creator

An orderly Creator necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.

It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Tor•âh′ , see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Tor•âh′ —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Source: See below website)

Religions that contradict Torah, therefore, are the antithesis of the Creator.

If you accept formal logic and science you will agree with this formal logical proof. Continued reading of how to relate to the Creator you will find in this website: http://www.netzarim.co.il

Anders Branderud

Some assumptions yet to be proven:

That there is an outside of space-time to create a Universe from.
That science says matter and energy(and negative energy) didn't just pop into existence. Some hypotheses suggest exactly that; that they came into existence in the fraction of a second after the Big Bang as the laws of physics were yet to stabilize.
That the Universe is perfectly orderly and/or perfect.
That the Universe was created specifically for us.
That our mission in life is to transcend the gulf between imperfect and perfect.
That a creator sent us an instruction manual.
That He only sent one.
That there is one and only one correct path to transcendence.
That the above is actually formal logic and science.

That blueberry pie flies further and more accurately than banana cream pie(actually, this one I can vouch for).

Feel free to provide proof to the above assumptions sir. In the meantime, I will be munching a breakfast burrito. *begins*

[The Alma Mater]

Are you actually going to remain and defend your point or are you just going to run off?

Either he's not a very fast typist, or he wasn't expecting so many refutations to land on his head so quickly.

Or he never had any intention of ever posting again?

Well, duh. What possible refutation could there be to such a perfectly written post ? Everyone will obviously just go "OF COURSE - how could I have been so BLIND" and convert on the spot. No reason to stay around - other people need to be converted as well !

Still, it would be fun if a fundamentalist Hindu would now post his text

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Argument for god fail!

[Tekania]

Proof-existence of an intelligent Creator+His Purpose

Here follow the proofs:
Scientists have always inferred the origin of the universe by reversing the observed state of the universe. At first, the universe was thought to be static. Thus, science held that the universe simply "always was." Then scientists theorized that gravity must cause the universe to shrink. Thus, science changed its mind, inventing the "Big Bang" Theory. It wasn't until 1998 that astronomers discovered that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. Reversing an accelerating expansion to see back in time produces a universe that shrinks at a decelerating rate as one goes back in time to its origin. Follow this process to its ultimate and the rate of shrinkage reduces to converge with timespace where both are zero. That is, both shrinkage and timespace stop at timespace=0. Thus, timespace has a beginning.

From timespace=0, scientists hold that nothing in the universe magically "popped in" with no cause. It is a fundamental law of physics that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause.
The fundamental laws of physics then require a cause of the universe ex nihilo; i.e., a Prime Cause Singularity that is non-dimensional and independent of timespace. In contrast to endless opinionating of innumerable pseudo-scientific religionists, science recognizes the necessity of a Prime Cause ex nihilo

No eminent scientist represents that our perfectly-orderly universe can be explained ex nihilo without a Prime Cause. Being logically consistent (orderly), the universe must mirror its Prime Cause / Singularity-Creator—Who must be Perfectly Orderly; i.e. Perfect. Therefore, no intelligent person can ignore that our purpose and challenge in life is learning how we, as imperfect humans, may successfully relate to a Perfect Singularity-Creator without our co-mingling, which transcends the timespace of this dimensional physical universe, becoming an imperfection to the Perfect Singularity-Creator

An orderly Creator necessarily had an Intelligent Purpose in creating this universe and us within it and, being Just and Orderly, necessarily placed an explanation, a "Life's Instruction Manual," within the reach of His subjects—humankind.

It defies the orderliness (logic / mathematics) of both the universe and Perfection of its Creator to assert that humanity was (contrary to His Tor•âh′ , see below) without any means of rapproachment until millennia after the first couple in recorded history as well as millennia after Abraham, Moses and the prophets. Therefore, the Creator's "Life's Instruction Manual" has been available to man at least since the beginning of recorded history. The only enduring document of this kind is the Tor•âh′ —which, interestingly, translates to "Instruction" (not "law" as popularly alleged). (Source: See below website)

Religions that contradict Torah, therefore, are the antithesis of the Creator.

If you accept formal logic and science you will agree with this formal logical proof. Continued reading of how to relate to the Creator you will find in this website: http://www.netzarim.co.il

Anders Branderud

The above sections in red are where you dropped logic, and actually introduce a maxim to continue a chain.

1. While time/space can be theoretically reversed to a Zero-Point, without further knowledge of the properties at this Zero-Point it is not possible to state ex-nihlo even at such a point.

2. "Order" is defined within the confines of observational physical laws. Problem: Such laws break-down as time/space approaches its Zero-Point. Without a Universal-Field theory it is impossible to state what the universe was like at t=0, and therefore also impossible to go further to a Prime-Cause without that knowledge.

3. There is no requirement that a Prime Cause be intelligent. No cause that an Intelligent prime cause provide an "instruction manual"... This is where you introduce maxims chained together.

4. This is chained to 3, but is also a maxim. Even if there were an "Intelligent" Prime-Cause, and even were this Intelligent Prime-Cause provide a manual. There is no logical requirement for such a manual to exist since "recorded history".

As such, even though I'm of a mono-theistic religion which descends from the Torah; you have provided no "proof" here to me. And your proof would be less than nothing to someone who isn't of my category.

thread-fail

[Soheran]

It is a fundamental law of physics that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause.
The fundamental laws of physics then require a cause of the universe ex nihilo;

Read these two sentences again. Hopefully you will realize what is wrong with their logic.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

In addition, I suspect this is cut and paste spam. Considering the difference in sentence construction in the title and the first line of the post vs. The rest of the post, I suspect that Icebear2 is not Anders Branderud.

[Ifreann]

I asked god. She says she never meant to create the universe. It just started growing in her sink when she didn't clean up after a big party.

[San Ivanna]

Did you know about 50% of americans dont believe in evolution
35% on top of that 50% believe evolution happened but it was initiated by an Abrahamic god.

This means only 15% of Americans are actually right.

gotta know your stats

[Lunatic Goofballs]

I asked god. She says she never meant to create the universe. It just started growing in her sink when she didn't clean up after a big party.

That was a great party too. Athena got nekkid.

[Buccaneers FC]

And Allah's wife (if he has one) got knocked up.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

And Allah's wife (if he has one) got knocked up.

I suspect Zeus is responsible. *nod*

[Buccaneers FC]

Yeah, Zeus is perverted.

[Ravea]

And Allah's wife (if he has one) got knocked up.

I suspect Zeus is responsible. *nod*

You shouldn't rule out Quetzalcoatl, though. He's one cheeky bastard.

[Linux and the X]

From timespace=0, scientists hold that nothing in the universe magically "popped in" with no cause. It is a fundamental law of physics that every physical occurrence in the universe has a cause.

Firstly, the universe is not in itself, therefore the laws of physics would not apply. Indeed, in the very beginning of the universe, the laws of physics did not apply within the universe. Secondly, why doesn't the same argument apply to the "intelligent creator" you are claiming to prove the existence of? Surely said creator couldn't have "magically 'popped in' without cause", so what was the cause?

[Kyronea]

Look on the ethereal plane outside of the vatican; you will see indisputable proof that your claims are false.

What's the Vatican got to do with Judaism?

Might want to actually read what you're being witty towards before shoving your foot down your throat.

[Buccaneers FC]

Stop stealing Ifreann's flag.

[Dyakovo]

Did you know about 50% of americans dont believe in evolution
35% on top of that 50% believe evolution happened but it was initiated by an Abrahamic god.

This means only 15% of Americans are actually right.

gotta know your stats

So...
You know for a fact that the Abrahamic god does not exist? Where's your proof?

[Dolbri]

In addition, I suspect this is cut and paste spam. Considering the difference in sentence construction in the title and the first line of the post vs. The rest of the post, I suspect that Icebear2 is not Anders Branderud.

You are correct. The exact same text can be found on http://bloganders.blogspot.com/

[Rhodmhire]

Let's just be cool and give all of the intelligent design to me.

It'll be fun...come on...you know you want to...

Disclaimer: In Soviet Russia, God prays to YOU!!

[Rhodmhire]

Oh, there most definitely is an intelligent creator, and I worship her...

Excellent...the disease is spreading...*evil corrupt laugh*

What? No disclaimer...yes...indeed...

*more corrupt evil laughing*

[Maerngau]

Did you know about 50% of americans dont believe in evolution
35% on top of that 50% believe evolution happened but it was initiated by an Abrahamic god.

This means only 15% of Americans are actually right.

gotta know your stats

To which the only proper response is.. .



66% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

[JarVik]

Proof-existence of an intelligent Creator+His Purpose

It wasn't until 1998 that astronomers discovered that the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. Reversing an accelerating expansion to see back in time produces a universe that shrinks at a decelerating rate as one goes back in time to its origin. Follow this process to its ultimate and the rate of shrinkage reduces to converge with timespace where both are zero. That is, both shrinkage and timespace stop at timespace=0. Thus, timespace has a beginning.

Anders Branderud

This puddle of poor logic has already been drained but...

I remember hearing about the expanding universe when I was in grade school which most certainly wasn't 1998. Seem to recall Humble "observed it" over half a century ago. Anyways I bothered to check, and it's been known since 1929 not 1998.

Just another piece of well researched creationist "thought"