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Hitler or Stalin or Mao?

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Stalin
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Mao
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Lizardiar
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Hitler or Stalin or Mao?

Postby Lizardiar » Thu May 28, 2009 1:06 pm

In your opinion who was worse? They were all psycho killers, but who was worse for the world?

Give reasons at who was worse.
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Re: Hitler or Stalin

Postby The Romulan Republic » Thu May 28, 2009 1:08 pm

I'm no expert on either man, but at a guess based on what I do know, I'd say that Hitler had worse motives, but by actual body count Stalin was probably the worst.
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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby Edwards Street » Thu May 28, 2009 1:09 pm

Both were horrible, but I voted Stalin, he was in power longer, and had more time to systematically kill people and oppress his people.

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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby Ferrous Oxide » Thu May 28, 2009 1:10 pm

Stalin was worse, IMO. Mainly because he persecute my people.

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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby Lizardiar » Thu May 28, 2009 1:11 pm

Wow, people actually know that Stalij was bad instead of just going, Hitler Bad! Even though he was bad, I think Stalin was worse.
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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby Ayumutopia » Thu May 28, 2009 1:12 pm

Hitler or Stalin? They're nothing compared to their fellow socialist authoritarian Barack Obama

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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby Lizardiar » Thu May 28, 2009 1:13 pm

lol! :rofl: I applaud your statement! :clap:

Yes I mostly did that to put smileys in a sad post.
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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby The Romulan Republic » Thu May 28, 2009 1:13 pm

To elaborate on what I just posted, I think that both men were mentally disturbed to some extent, and that both had some pretty sick motives, but I get the impression the Stalin was slightly less motivated by irrational bigotry and slightly more by the interests of his nation. I don't think there is actually a way to definitively and objectively analyse who was the most sick or evil man, or who had the worse motives, but if I had to make a guess, I'd say Hitler.

However, from the point of view of who did the most direct damage to the world, probably Stalin. Then again, Hitler might have if Stalin hadn't beaten him. And the level indirect damage that has occured through both men's actions is impossible to calculate.
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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby Grays Harbor » Thu May 28, 2009 1:14 pm

Both were maniacs. Hiltler was evil. Stalin was evil and apparently had bad breath too (according to his daughter)

I'd vote for Stalin for many of the same reasons, he was in power longer, he killed more of his own people and he was a galaxy-class paranoic.
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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby The Romulan Republic » Thu May 28, 2009 1:14 pm

Ferrous Oxide wrote:Stalin was worse, IMO. Mainly because he persecute my people.


To put it bluntly, why should "your people's" lives be considered more valuable than anyone else's?
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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby Reagan States » Thu May 28, 2009 1:17 pm

I'd save an American citizen over a Canadian citizen any day. Although if it was two Canadian citizens vs. one American I'd have to think twice...
Luckily I've never been presented with a scenario where I'd have to choose...
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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby Lancaster of Wessex » Thu May 28, 2009 1:19 pm

The label "worse" is very loaded; worse in what sense exactly? I know what the OP is getting at of course, but said word "worse" has so many shades, so many degrees and levels...they're both evil bastards and I'm sure both are toasting in Hades very nicely.

Anyway! Hard to choose one over the other really when you get to their horrendous level.
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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby Ferrous Oxide » Thu May 28, 2009 1:20 pm

The Romulan Republic wrote:
Ferrous Oxide wrote:Stalin was worse, IMO. Mainly because he persecute my people.


To put it bluntly, why should "your people's" lives be considered more valuable than anyone else's?


Because they're related to me? Just a thought.

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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby South East Europe » Thu May 28, 2009 1:20 pm

Stalin, cause he was by far more attractive than Hitler and generally the more attractive people are the more evil if I base my presumption on the evil characters in Alfred Hitchcock's movies.
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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby Elves Security Forces » Thu May 28, 2009 1:24 pm

Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were all terrible people who caused massive casualties where no needed be. To classify one as worse than the other is like trying to say what is a better way to die; being shot in the brain or the heart. They all were terrible people who had horrific actions set into motion by their (likely) disturbed motives.
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Re: Hitler or Stalin or Mao?

Postby Lizardiar » Thu May 28, 2009 1:26 pm

Seeing Mao's name reminded me of that dictator so I'll put his name now.
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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby Ferrous Oxide » Thu May 28, 2009 1:27 pm

Elves Security Forces wrote:Hitler, Stalin, and Mao were all terrible people who caused massive casualties where no needed be. To classify one as worse than the other is like trying to say what is a better way to die; being shot in the brain or the heart. They all were terrible people who had horrific actions set into motion by their (likely) disturbed motives.


Isn't is sad that no matter how bad the Nazi, Soviet and Maoist regimes were, you can always find someone that makes them look like the good guys?

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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 28, 2009 1:29 pm

Hitler was the worst. He was a Racist, who spread hate and fear through an entire country, and killed his victims without mercy or conscience. Stalin was insane, sure, but one can survive in a Gulag. Not comfortably, but usually not outright executed, and better than their ancestors a hundred years before. And the Holodomor, while a tragedy, wasn't Stalin's fault for just pure evil. It was bad timing, and bad policies, ones that were meant to help. If he had just waited a few years, or chose to give them a choice while the famine was occurring... So many lives would have been saved.

Not to say Stalin didn't execute thousands, but he wasn't AS BAD as Hitler. Doesn't mean he wasn't a monster.
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Re: Hitler or Stalin or Mao?

Postby Lizardiar » Thu May 28, 2009 1:30 pm

Its called "Wartime Propaganda"!

In WW II It made us think that only Hitler went genocidal

In Cold War It said that Mao and Stalin were always genocidal....

What can we do?
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Re: Hitler or Stalin or Mao?

Postby Marvel Universe (Ancient) » Thu May 28, 2009 1:30 pm

Why is there no Bill o'reilly option here?


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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby Lizardiar » Thu May 28, 2009 1:31 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Hitler was the worst. He was a Racist, who spread hate and fear through an entire country, and killed his victims without mercy or conscience. Stalin was insane, sure, but one can survive in a Gulag. Not comfortably, but usually not outright executed, and better than their ancestors a hundred years before. And the Holodomor, while a tragedy, wasn't Stalin's fault for just pure evil. It was bad timing, and bad policies, ones that were meant to help. If he had just waited a few years, or chose to give them a choice while the famine was occurring... So many lives would have been saved.

Not to say Stalin didn't execute thousands, but he wasn't AS BAD as Hitler. Doesn't mean he wasn't a monster.


Right not thousands, MILLIONS!!!
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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby Grays Harbor » Thu May 28, 2009 1:31 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:Both were maniacs. Hiltler was evil. Stalin was evil and apparently had bad breath too (according to his daughter)

I'd vote for Stalin for many of the same reasons, he was in power longer, he killed more of his own people and he was a galaxy-class paranoic.



crap. now I have to change my vote because you added Mao. As an historian, I think Mao ranks on the bottom tier of the lowest of the low because of his misguided "cultural revolution" where he tried to get "The Party" to literally wipe away thousands of years of Chinese history and art all because he wanted Chinese history to "start" with the long march and the 1949 revolution. That was a tragedy of epic scale.
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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby Reagan States » Thu May 28, 2009 1:36 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Hitler was the worst. He was a Racist, who spread hate and fear through an entire country, and killed his victims without mercy or conscience.

Stalin was both a RACIST and a CLASSIST. Stalin was a bad bad boy.
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Re: Hitler or Stalin or Mao?

Postby Farnhamia Redux » Thu May 28, 2009 1:39 pm

Hitler or Stalin or Mao?

Lions and tigers and bears?

Tinker to Evers to Chance?

Pirates or ninjas?

I never could understand this kind of debate. All three of them were mass-murderers. debating who was worse is like talking about which is worse, diphtheria, typhoid or the plague.
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Re: Hitler or Stalin?

Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 28, 2009 1:45 pm

Reagan States wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Hitler was the worst. He was a Racist, who spread hate and fear through an entire country, and killed his victims without mercy or conscience.

Stalin was both a RACIST and a CLASSIST. Stalin was a bad bad boy.

I don't remember Stalin being a racist, or at least not acting on his racist views, and Communists have no class, remember comrade?;)
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