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Postby Alyakia » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:14 pm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/jan/ ... ing-police

Black people are 30 times more likely than white people to be stopped and searched by police in England and Wales, according to new analysis which reveals that "racial profiling" has increased over the past year.

Researchers say the findings, based on government statistics, represent the worst international record of discrimination involving stop and search.

The figures refer to the use of section 60, the contentious police power that allows officers to stop and search people without reasonable suspicion and which was cited as an aggravating factor behind the August riots. Analysis by the London School of Economics (LSE) and the Open Society Justice Initiative shows during the past 12 months a black person was 29.7 times more likely to be stopped and searched than a white person. That figure was 26.6 the previous year.

In 2009, black people were 10.7 times more likely to be stopped than whites under the controversial "exceptional" power. Mounting disquiet over the policy's damaging effect on black communities prompted Scotland Yard last week to announce a scaling back of its use of section 60, which has become a central element of the Yard's anti-knife crime strategy.

A separate analysis, based on Home Office data, reveals that less than 0.5% of section 60 searches led to an arrest for possession of a dangerous weapon, five times fewer than a decade ago.

Dr Michael Shiner, of the campaign group StopWatch and the Mannheim Centre for Criminology at the LSE, said: "More than ever, we need policing to be fair and accountable. All too often impacted communities have complained about abusive police tactics only to be ignored or, worse still, told they are wrong. Searches that do not require individual suspicion are particularly divisive and should be conducted sparingly, if at all.

"The very existence of section 60 should be critically reviewed and, if it is found to be necessary, increased safeguards and strict criteria should be put in place, including judicial authorisation, before the power can be mobilised."

On Friday, the IPCC conceded that stop and searches that yield no arrest were antagonistic and "highly intrusive". A legal challenge that will ask the high court to rule section 60 "incompatible" with the European convention on human rights is under way. The case centres on a 37-year-old woman who claims she was targeted because she was black. Michael Oswald of Bhatt Murphy solicitors said there was clear statistical evidence that section 60 was being used in a discriminatory manner. He added: "There are not sufficient safeguards to ensure that the interference with individuals' personal integrity and liberty that such searches entail is proportionate and in accordance with the law."

The case follows the government's curtailment last year of the police use of section 44 counter-terrorism stop-and-search powers, which also allowed officers to act against individuals without reasonable suspicion. Campaigners hope the home secretary, Theresa May, will pre-empt the legal challenge by moving to amend the law on section 60, introducing restrictions on its use. A recent report by the LSE and the Guardian cited stop and search as a factor in the August riots, a conclusion that persuaded May to order a national review of how police use stop and search powers.

Tomorrow the Met commissioner, Bernard Hogan-Howe, will give a public lecture on the future of policing at the LSE during which stop and search is expected to be a central theme. Last week he responded to the growing unease by ordering a radical overhaul of the use of section 60 in an effort to improve relations with black and ethnic minority communities.

In particular, Hogan-Howe pledged to halve the amount of section 60 stops that do not require reasonable suspicion. Senior commanders are believed to have voiced concern that they are ineffective and alienate young people, particularly those from ethnic minorities.

Although Hogan-Howe's new stance has been welcomed by campaigners, they point to his record at Merseyside police where he was chief constable from 2004 to 2009. When he began the role, officers conducted 1,389 section 60s, rising to 23,138 within five years.


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Postby Cromarty » Sun Jan 15, 2012 6:25 pm

shit 30 times as likely?

it wasn't even in double figures 5 years ago :/
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Postby Tagmatium » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:06 am

Trixiestan wrote:Give Queen a new royal yacht for diamond jubilee, says Michael Gove
Exclusive: Education secretary proposes taxpayers fund gift – likely to cost at least £60m – to mark 'momentous occasion'

And, along with that story, the BBC's front page has this - that the UK is back in recession.

Admittedly, according to a think tank whose leanings I am unsure off.

But I feel it demonstrates how much the Government does give a shit.
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Postby Horsefish » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:09 am

I thought they could only stop and search without a reason if it was a protest/aftermath of riot?
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Postby Tagmatium » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:13 am

Horsefish wrote:I thought they could only stop and search without a reason if it was a protest/aftermath of riot?

Bloody peasants, questioning their betters.
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Postby Horsefish » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:15 am

Tagmatium wrote:
Horsefish wrote:I thought they could only stop and search without a reason if it was a protest/aftermath of riot?

Bloody peasants, questioning their betters.


Eh? :unsure:
Areopagitican wrote:I'm not an expert in the field of moron, but what I think he's saying is that if you have to have sex with Shakira (or another dirty ethnic), at the very least, it must be part of a threesome with a white woman. It's a sacrifice, but someone has to make it.

Geniasis wrote:Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go bludgeon some whales to death with my 12-ft dick.

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Geniasis wrote:Maybe if you showered every now and then...

That's what the Nazis said, we're not falling for that one again.

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Postby Tagmatium » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:19 am

Horsefish wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:Bloody peasants, questioning their betters.

Eh? :unsure:

Searching people if they were protesting.

I think I'm full of incoherent cynicism this morning.

Happy Monday morning to all.
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Postby Horsefish » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:20 am

Tagmatium wrote:Searching people if they were protesting.

I think I'm full of incoherent cynicism this morning.

Happy Monday morning to all.


Thats what I thought it was. I wasn't condoning that, I was just under the impression that was the only time they could stop and seach without a reason :P
Areopagitican wrote:I'm not an expert in the field of moron, but what I think he's saying is that if you have to have sex with Shakira (or another dirty ethnic), at the very least, it must be part of a threesome with a white woman. It's a sacrifice, but someone has to make it.

Geniasis wrote:Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go bludgeon some whales to death with my 12-ft dick.

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Geniasis wrote:Maybe if you showered every now and then...

That's what the Nazis said, we're not falling for that one again.

The Western Reaches wrote:I learned that YOU are the reason I embarrassed myself by saying "Horsefish" instead of "Seahorse" this one time in school.

What's wrong with a little destruction?

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Postby Tagmatium » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:30 am

Horsefish wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:Searching people if they were protesting.

I think I'm full of incoherent cynicism this morning.

Happy Monday morning to all.

Thats what I thought it was. I wasn't condoning that, I was just under the impression that was the only time they could stop and seach without a reason :P

Nah, I knew you weren't condoning it. Few people of sound reasoning would agree with it.
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Postby Horsefish » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:45 am

Tagmatium wrote:Nah, I knew you weren't condoning it. Few people of sound reasoning would agree with it.


Thats why I got confused. I don't really present a political side but I don't think I'd ever come off as a overbearing conservitive or anything :P
Areopagitican wrote:I'm not an expert in the field of moron, but what I think he's saying is that if you have to have sex with Shakira (or another dirty ethnic), at the very least, it must be part of a threesome with a white woman. It's a sacrifice, but someone has to make it.

Geniasis wrote:Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go bludgeon some whales to death with my 12-ft dick.

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Geniasis wrote:Maybe if you showered every now and then...

That's what the Nazis said, we're not falling for that one again.

The Western Reaches wrote:I learned that YOU are the reason I embarrassed myself by saying "Horsefish" instead of "Seahorse" this one time in school.

What's wrong with a little destruction?

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Postby Marispatria » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:55 am

Count me in as another Brit who thinks our "leaders" are a virtually indistinguishable shower of privileged cunts. Surely I'm not the only one to be fucking incensed with all this austerity bullshit coming from one of the most rich and aristocratic governments the UK has had in recent times? Just look at the schools they went to. Those fuckers have never had to worry about securing income thanks to the old boys' network. This rotten bunch of plutocrats and oligarchs are supposed to represent us? How?

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Postby Aesthetica » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:10 am

The bit at the bottom of that bbc item about the recession amused me in a wry "Why are these twats so stupid" kind of a way.

Some pillock with a chain of pretentious-cuisine eateries whines that he can't get people to apply for some of the jobs in his new branches despite there being loads of unemployed under 25's about, and his company extensively advertising at the dole office, and have to import people from Europe to do these jobs.

Your archetypical middle class "Why are there dole scroungers when there are loads of jobs" whiner that you see quoted in the Daily Wail.

Then the guy who actually runs the personnel dept., for the above mentioned twat says it's due to

"The expectation has been set quite high in this country, often through a generation of kids doing degrees, some of which are not specific," he said. "I think they're finding it very hard to apply for jobs like ours."


"Wanted: Applicants for 3 different grades of pretentious-cuisine chef, must understand foreign gabble and despise British food, we also have vacancies for waiters who know about different types of foreign plonk, and who can lie and smile while selling people bo-jolly-noo-vo as if it was actually drinkable."

I find my self wondering who the people with stupid expectations really are in this equation.
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Postby Zijeme » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:28 am

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Postby Tagmatium » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:35 am

Marispatria wrote:Count me in as another Brit who thinks our "leaders" are a virtually indistinguishable shower of privileged cunts. Surely I'm not the only one to be fucking incensed with all this austerity bullshit coming from one of the most rich and aristocratic governments the UK has had in recent times? Just look at the schools they went to. Those fuckers have never had to worry about securing income thanks to the old boys' network. This rotten bunch of plutocrats and oligarchs are supposed to represent us? How?

Because people were stupid enough to elect them democratically, that's how.

Admittedly, many of the LibDem-voters didn't foresee their party buddying up with the Tories and even voted for the LibDems as something of a protest vote against both of the other two parties.
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Postby Spice999 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:15 am

Uthopia wrote:
Aesthetica wrote:
Yes, we know, that's why a majority of us like it... Apparently.

If you like to finance some lazy incestuous family, go ahead. but spare us for your complaining about the "undemocartiy" EU.


'Lazy'? The Queen does over 500 royal engagements a year. Other members of the royal family do about 200-300 a year. The royal family also supports many charities. Call this lazy?

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Postby The UK in Exile » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:37 am

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Uthopia wrote:If you like to finance some lazy incestuous family, go ahead. but spare us for your complaining about the "undemocartiy" EU.


'Lazy'? The Queen does over 500 royal engagements a year. Other members of the royal family do about 200-300 a year. The royal family also supports many charities. Call this lazy?



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Postby Trixiestan » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:27 am

Marispatria wrote:Count me in as another Brit who thinks our "leaders" are a virtually indistinguishable shower of privileged cunts. Surely I'm not the only one to be fucking incensed with all this austerity bullshit coming from one of the most rich and aristocratic governments the UK has had in recent times? Just look at the schools they went to. Those fuckers have never had to worry about securing income thanks to the old boys' network. This rotten bunch of plutocrats and oligarchs are supposed to represent us? How?

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Postby The Matthew Islands » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:02 pm

Went to the jobcentre today:

"Hey, I finished my Poundland work experience, but you said I can't do any job centre shiz for another year, but I can do 15 hours volunteer work. Can I volunteer at Poundland?"

"No, it has to be a charity."

D:
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Postby Fionnuala_Saoirse » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:05 pm

The Matthew Islands wrote:Went to the jobcentre today:

"Hey, I finished my Poundland work experience, but you said I can't do any job centre shiz for another year, but I can do 15 hours volunteer work. Can I volunteer at Poundland?"

"No, it has to be a charity."

D:


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Postby Tagmatium » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:08 pm

The Matthew Islands wrote:Went to the jobcentre today:

"Hey, I finished my Poundland work experience, but you said I can't do any job centre shiz for another year, but I can do 15 hours volunteer work. Can I volunteer at Poundland?"

"No, it has to be a charity."

D:

Man, they're making you jump through some fearsome hoops.

It's worse than when I was there last year. All I had to do was provide evidence that I was looking for at least three jobs a week, they'd give me a signature and off I'd trot back home.

Although it was a lot more soulcrushing than that, but you get the idea.
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Postby Bales Rant » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:09 pm

The Matthew Islands wrote:Went to the jobcentre today:

"Hey, I finished my Poundland work experience, but you said I can't do any job centre shiz for another year, but I can do 15 hours volunteer work. Can I volunteer at Poundland?"

"No, it has to be a charity."

D:


Fucking nasty cunts.

There's a testcase coming up to decide whether this work for benefits programme is illegal. I don't see how it isn't illegal but I don't know much legally.

I do know, however, that if there's work to be done, then there's a job to done.
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Postby The Matthew Islands » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:10 pm

Fionnuala_Saoirse wrote:
The Matthew Islands wrote:Went to the jobcentre today:

"Hey, I finished my Poundland work experience, but you said I can't do any job centre shiz for another year, but I can do 15 hours volunteer work. Can I volunteer at Poundland?"

"No, it has to be a charity."

D:


Those bastards?

Kind of. It's just annoying how, I've done the 8 weeks at Poundland they don't give a shit anymore. I can't go on any other Job centre run courses for 18-24 year olds for a fucking year and I come back and say I wanna continue at Poundland and they just keep throwing fucking obstacles.
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Postby The Matthew Islands » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:11 pm

Tagmatium wrote:Man, they're making you jump through some fearsome hoops.

It's worse than when I was there last year. All I had to do was provide evidence that I was looking for at least three jobs a week, they'd give me a signature and off I'd trot back home.

Although it was a lot more soulcrushing than that, but you get the idea.

Yeah they still do that shit.

"Looked in local paper."

K, heres £106.
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Postby Fnordgasm 5 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:14 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
The Matthew Islands wrote:Went to the jobcentre today:

"Hey, I finished my Poundland work experience, but you said I can't do any job centre shiz for another year, but I can do 15 hours volunteer work. Can I volunteer at Poundland?"

"No, it has to be a charity."

D:

Man, they're making you jump through some fearsome hoops.

It's worse than when I was there last year. All I had to do was provide evidence that I was looking for at least three jobs a week, they'd give me a signature and off I'd trot back home.

Although it was a lot more soulcrushing than that, but you get the idea.


I was out of work for a year some years ago and I didn't even have to provide evidence. All I had to do was say I had looked and they'd sign it off. Luckily I got put with one of the jobcenter workers who gave a crap, she'd got me a work experience job with an engineering firm, I work for free for a month and five years later I'm still there but some of them just don't care..
Fnordgasm 5 is a twat.

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Postby Tagmatium » Mon Jan 16, 2012 12:16 pm

The Matthew Islands wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:Man, they're making you jump through some fearsome hoops.

It's worse than when I was there last year. All I had to do was provide evidence that I was looking for at least three jobs a week, they'd give me a signature and off I'd trot back home.

Although it was a lot more soulcrushing than that, but you get the idea.

Yeah they still do that shit.

"Looked in local paper."

K, heres £106.

It always struck me as a bit lax, really.

But it paid for my food whilst I was looking for jobs, so it was all good. I got one in the end, too, albeit not through the Jobseekers'.
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