What do you think of Ron Paul?

[Misterfisher minions]

Then I should tell you that the turnaround point in the depression was when the New Deal was implemented.

No you should not, because it was fucking crazy and based on the idea that Soviet Russia was doing better than the US with economic matters ( many liberal intellectuals of the time thought it that way ). FDR was an awful centralist and had no respect for liberty.
For example, his "freedom from want" idea was disgusting, because it promoted the idea that if you need something you have the right to claim other people's money to have it, just because you need it. It's one of the most insane collectivist idea, and the USA were really threatened by socialism at the time.
Not to mention FDR was also a racist, He hated blacks and possibly jews, he did not care this much about the holocaust, i read that in a very serious french newspaper ( yes it exists ) and in a book by israeli and german historians .

Also, about the New Deal, it did not end the great depression, neither did WWII.

[Grave_n_idle]

...
For example, his "freedom from want" idea was disgusting, because it promoted the idea that if you need something you have the right to claim other people's money to have it, just because you need it.

You should study some history.

'Just because you need it" usually ends up with death on a massive scale, blood in the streets, and theft and fire.

Creating a social safety-net is the smartest thing we've ever done as a species.

And you oppose that. Which says more about you, than about the idea.

[Genivaria]

I don't care for his economics.

[Misterfisher minions]

You should study some history.

Creating a social safety-net is the smartest thing we've ever done as a species.

You're actually asking me, not to study some history ( because i have more history books at home that you can imagine ), but to bias some history, which is not exactly the same thing. The objective truth is that individual freedom and capitalism are the best ways to bring wealth, freedom and peace to the world, history has actually shown it pretty well. Taking away people's private property in order to achieve some weird collective supreme goal ( common well-being ) is a silly and unfair voodoo practice, that has nothing to do with civilization and is certainly not " the smartest thing we've ever done as a specie".
It's actually one of the most retarded thing we've ever done, because it starts with the idea that the man is inherently evil, and that his existence is biased: he is supposed to be born with something in his character making him evil.

And you oppose that. Which says more about you, than about the idea.

Oh please, this is childish.
Calling me a selfish person would be irrelevant, since rational selfishness is a virtue in my morality, which is mostly inspired of Ayn Rand's one.

'Just because you need it" usually ends up with death on a massive scale, blood in the streets, and theft and fire.

Pardon? What is this silliness? do you have historically-relevant examples of these sorts of events happening in a capitalist society? A free economy is not about letting people dying in the streets. Furthermore, history has shown that this kind of horrors happens only in kindhearted and altruist socialistic societies.

[Genivaria]

You should study some history.

'Just because you need it" usually ends up with death on a massive scale, blood in the streets, and theft and fire.

Creating a social safety-net is the smartest thing we've ever done as a species.

You're actually asking me, not to study some history ( because i have more history books at home that you can imagine ), but to bias some history, which is not exactly the same thing. The objective truth is that individual freedom and capitalism are the best ways to bring wealth, freedom and peace to the world, history has actually shown it pretty well. Taking away people's private property in order to achieve some weird collective supreme goal ( common well-being ) is a silly and unfair voodoo practice, that has nothing to do with civilization and is certainly not " the smartest thing we've ever done as a specie".
It's actually one of the most retarded thing we've ever done, because it starts with the idea that the man is inherently evil, and that his existence is biased: he is supposed to be born with something in his character making him evil.

And you oppose that. Which says more about you, than about the idea.

Oh please, this is childish.
Calling me a selfish person would be irrelevant, since rationnal selfishness is a virtue in my morality, which is mostly inspired of Ayn Rand's one.

Claiming Ayn Rand as your inspiration doesn't help your image.

[Misterfisher minions]

Claiming Ayn Rand as your inspiration doesn't help your image.

Close minded people are going to hate me and to make crazy statements about Ayn Rand, i'm scared, i'll tell you.

[Grave_n_idle]

You're actually asking me, not to study some history ( because i have more history books at home that you can imagine ), but to bias some history,

No, I'm definitely saying you should study some history.

...which is not exactly the same thing. The objective truth is that individual freedom and capitalism are the best ways to bring wealth, freedom and peace to the world, history has actually shown it pretty well.

Not only irrelevant, but also nonsense.

Taking away people's private property in order to achieve some weird collective supreme goal ( common well-being ) is a silly and unfair voodoo practice, that has nothing to do with civilization and is certainly not " the smartest thing we've ever done as a specie".

According to your ridiculous ideological bias.

My perspective, on the other hand, hinges on pragmatism.

You like the fact that Europe and the US managed to withstand the Communist Revolution? Thank politicians like FDR.

You want to avoid massive breakdown of law, actual class war (not the stupid insipid phrasing that people like Fox News use to describe unhappiness about inequality), revolution, etc - thank social safety-net politics.

It's not even a new idea. Bread and circuses.

It's actually one of the most retarded thing we've ever done, because it starts with the idea that the man is inherently evil, and that his existence is biased: he is supposed to be born with something in his character making him evil.

I don't know where you pulled that from. It's certainly not inherent in anything we've been discussing.

Indeed, if anything, the social safety-net is actually an argument for some inherent good.

Calling me a selfish person would be irrelevant, since rational selfishness is a virtue in my morality, which is mostly inspired of Ayn Rand's one.

I didn't call you selfish. I pointed out that your take on an idea says more about you than it does about the idea.

[Ifreann]

Creating a social safety-net is the smartest thing we've ever done as a species.

Smarter than internet porn?

[Grave_n_idle]

Claiming Ayn Rand as your inspiration doesn't help your image.

Close minded people are going to hate me and to make crazy statements about Ayn Rand, i'm scared, i'll tell you.

Once again, you might want to hit the history books.

'Making crazy statements about Ayn Rand' is a default. Her history is one big collection of crazy statements.

[Grave_n_idle]

Creating a social safety-net is the smartest thing we've ever done as a species.

Smarter than internet porn?

Smarter, but perhaps not funner.

[Genivaria]

Creating a social safety-net is the smartest thing we've ever done as a species.

Smarter than internet porn?

About even.

[Genivaria]

Claiming Ayn Rand as your inspiration doesn't help your image.

Close minded people are going to hate me and to make crazy statements about Ayn Rand, i'm scared, i'll tell you.

I think I already gave my assessment of Ayn Rand before.....lets see. Ah here it is.

Evil, sociopathic, anti-social, bitch.
Anyone who tries to preach individualism to such an extent that selfishness should be considered a virtue, to a species of VERY social animals is either an imbecile, or is trying to cover up her own sociopathic tendencies by calling it a philosophy.

[Misterfisher minions]

No, I'm definitely saying you should study some history.

Thanks, i know history pretty good. You should chill out a bit.

Not only irrelevant, but also nonsense

It was actually relevant and sensible, capitalism and laissez fire are making nations interdependent, and wealthy : war becomes impossible and undesirable.

According to your ridiculous ideological bias.

You like the fact that Europe and the US managed to withstand the Communist Revolution? Thank politicians like FDR.

Thanks to FDR and his crazy treatment of the Great Depression, 52 million human lives were lost and one third of the world population fell into communist slavery. An austrian approach would have solved the crisis, Europe and Germany would have made it better, and Hitler would never have reach the top in a time of economic prosperity.

You want to avoid massive breakdown of law, actual class war (not the stupid insipid phrasing that people like Fox News use to describe unhappiness about inequality), revolution, etc - thank social safety-net politics.

You actually believe Marx's hateful insanities, nice.

It's not even a new idea. Bread and circuses.

It's an old load of shit, then. By the way, individualism and Capitalism are very old too.

Indeed, if anything, the social safety-net is actually an argument for some inherent good.

Lawl, this thing is imposed to society because individuals are considered " not trustworthy ". Charity is way more effective than welfare, because it's not a selfless nor a coerced action.

I didn't call you selfish. I pointed out that your take on an idea says more about you than it does about the idea.

Yes, you did. And it was a very childish reaction looking pretty much like " this evil far right-winger is not even ashamed of his opposition to our great welfare states, how evil of him"...

[Sibirsky]

Then I should tell you that the turnaround point in the depression was when the New Deal was implemented.

False. The New Deal deepened and lengthened the depression and you fucking know it.

The unemployment rate was already coming down after spiking up after the stock market crash of 1929. The New Fucking Deal, caused it to go up, and it averaged in the double digits throughout the 30s.

[Genivaria]

Claiming Ayn Rand as your inspiration doesn't help your image.

Close minded people are going to hate me and to make crazy statements about Ayn Rand, i'm scared, i'll tell you.

*Doesn't think selfishness is a virtue, gets accused of being close-minded*

[Wikkiwallana]

Then I should tell you that the turnaround point in the depression was when the New Deal was implemented.

No you should not, because it was fucking crazy and based on the idea that Soviet Russia was doing better than the US with economic matters ( many liberal intellectuals of the time thought it that way ). FDR was an awful centralist and had no respect for liberty.
For example, his "freedom from want" idea was disgusting, because it promoted the idea that if you need something you have the right to claim other people's money to have it, just because you need it. It's one of the most insane collectivist idea, and the USA were really threatened by socialism at the time.

I haven't gotten to use this in a while, thanks for the opportunity.

Not to mention FDR was also a racist, He hated blacks and possibly jews, he did not care this much about the holocaust, i read that in a very serious french newspaper ( yes it exists ) and in a book by israeli and german historians .

Source, as in actually link to it, because I'm calling bullshit.

Also, about the New Deal, it did not end the great depression, neither did WWII.

Mmm, ideological bias.

[Sibirsky]

About Ron:

Capitalist -> VERY BAD

Yes, creating wealth for the masses is bad. We need to mandate poverty.

Racist -> BAD

He's not racist.

In general, mixed opinion. Certainly better than all other GOP, and Obama. But i really don't like a jungle society.

Jungle society?

[Sibirsky]

Mmm, ideological bias.

And you are not guilty of it?

[Genivaria]

Mmm, ideological bias.

And you are not guilty of it?

We all are of course. Anyone who takes an interest in politics has some kind of bias. And I'd rather be slightly biased then be apathetic.

[Sibirsky]

And you are not guilty of it?

We all are of course. Anyone who takes an interest in politics has some kind of bias. And I'd rather be slightly biased then be apathetic.

Very honest answer.

[Wikkiwallana]

Then I should tell you that the turnaround point in the depression was when the New Deal was implemented.

False. The New Deal deepened and lengthened the depression and you fucking know it.

The unemployment rate was already coming down after spiking up after the stock market crash of 1929. The New Fucking Deal, caused it to go up, and it averaged in the double digits throughout the 30s.

Pull the other one, it's got bells on.

[Wikkiwallana]

Mmm, ideological bias.

And you are not guilty of it?

Yes, but I don't use it as a reason to reject empiricism, unlike the Austrian School.

[Wikkiwallana]

Well this is interesting.

[Misterfisher minions]

I haven't gotten to use this in a while, thanks for the opportunity.

Irrelevant and insulting, but thanks.

Source, as in actually link to it, because I'm calling bullshit

Here are some facts, i assume you don't want the links in french

Mmm, ideological bias.

Coming from you, man

[Misterfisher minions]

Well this is interesting.

What do we Libertarians say?

Um--you don't know anything about Libertarians.

You're arguments are against some kind of straw-man extremist boogeyman.

Libertarians aren't against debt -- it's the bankruptcy and economic depression that wrangles our weenies.

BTW: how's that corporate-run status quo working out?

Maybe, juuust maybe, it's time to learn a few things and rethink.

Looks like this comment made a direct hit on the article. Also, McNationalist? He is avowedly an extremist bullshiter.