What do you think of Ron Paul?

[Dyakovo]

The only people who have "gay-enthusiastic" positions are gay people. The rest of what you described is the standard liberal position.

Ok sorry, i sometime mistake the american left for the french left . One day, a french journalist said he would feel sad if he's only son was gay ( which he's a normal human homophobic reaction, you know ) and he was treated nearly like a fascist criminal by the batshit crazy rest of the media. That would certainly not have happened in the US.

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[Dyakovo]

Does not exist

Not exactly printing yet, but madness indeed

They'd also be appalled at interracial marriage and women voters , so their opinion doesn't really matter anymore.

Yes, because Lafayette was part of an horrible racist organization called " the Black People's friends " which goal was to abolish slavery, though women's right to vote was also on his agenda.
You should know that! And any of this founding father's positions is still relevant.
Same thing for Jefferson or Madison.

By the way, why do you think that from 1776 to nowadays, never has the US turned into a dictatorship? Because of its sane constitution and because of the l influence of the european classical liberal culture.

Why do you keep harping on about Lafayette as a founding father? He wasn't one of the US's founding fathers.

[Misterfisher minions]

Ok sorry, i sometime mistake the american left for the french left . One day, a french journalist said he would feel sad if he's only son was gay ( which he's a normal human homophobic reaction, you know ) and he was treated nearly like a fascist criminal by the batshit crazy rest of the media. That would certainly not have happened in the US.

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I hope my only child will make my name and family survive after i'm dead. See? I'm a human, not a homophobe. The journalist should have shouted this in the face of the leftist bitch that treated him like shit during the tv show.

[Unchecked Expansion]

I love to imagine the nazis occupy france during WW2, if my people had had such a right.

So your saying if the French had guns, they would have formed some kind of resistance and fought the Germans?
A French Resistance, as it were?
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/french_resistance.htm

[Dyakovo]

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I hope my only child will make my name and family survive after i'm dead.

Your son being gay does not preclude that happening.

See? I'm a human, not a homophobe.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

The journalist should have shouted this in the face of the leftist bitch that treated him like shit during the tv show.

The journalist should grow up and realize that the sexuality of his children has no effect on him.

[Misterfisher minions]

Why do you keep harping on about Lafayette as a founding father? He wasn't one of the US's founding fathers.

Yes, he was. He fought like a lion to free americans from the brits, he was Washington's second in command and he had a very constructed political thought that influenced the others, like Jefferson, for example. He even proposed abolition of both the death penalty and slavery, you imagine how enlightened and progressive it is, in the 18th century?
He is regarded as a founding father by America's most serious historians, and he deserves the title.

[Wikkiwallana]

Economics isn't my forte, but I'm giving to understand quantitative easing is effective in a "desperate times call for desperate measures" sort of way.

Well, the 1900 and the 1920 crisis were dealt with austrian methods ( succesfully ),

Source?

while the 1929 one was dealt with Quantative easing and monetary policies in the US and in Europe.

Only after Hoover tried years of "rugged individualism" which did jack shit.

This policy's success brought that piece of enjoyment to europeans

No, that would be the extremely harsh punishments imposed on Germany by the Treaty of Versailles, leaving the nation broke and angry.

and their various opinions were all over the place

Yes, and Jefferson was even slightly anti-democracy. I'm not going to blame him for willing to avoid the election of the above " piece of enjoyment "

Could you rephrase that second sentence? I don't understand what you are trying to say.

Or maybe because they knew they'd have another revolution on their hands if they tried.

And maybe because the constitution warned them about that ( a certain right to uprise against tyranny is written inside ). Also, another gift from Jefferson and Co to the american people: the second ammendment.
I love to imagine the nazis occupy france during WW2, if my people had had such a right.

That wasn't a "gift", it was a recognition of the practical necessities of the times.

[Misterfisher minions]

So your saying if the French had guns, they would have formed some kind of resistance and fought the Germans?
A French Resistance, as it were?
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/french_resistance.htm

The resistance did good but did not kill this much nazis, if guns had been legal in france since 1789, the occupation would have been way more of a fucking nightmare for the germans. It's pretty easy to understand.
Also, it's useful during wartime to have conscripts who do know how to shoot a gun properly.

[Dyakovo]

Why do you keep harping on about Lafayette as a founding father? He wasn't one of the US's founding fathers.

Yes, he was. He fought like a lion to free americans from the brits,¹ he was Washington's second in command² and he had a very constructed political thought³ that influenced the others, like Jefferson, for example⁴. He even proposed abolition of both the death penalty and slavery, you imagine how enlightened and progressive it is, in the 18th century?⁵
He is regarded as a founding father by America's most serious historians⁶, and he deserves the title.

1: Admirable, but does not make him one of the men who created the Declaration of Independence and/or the Constitution of the US.
2: Again, does not make him one of the men who created the Declaration of Independence and/or the Constitution of the US.
3: And still, does not make him one of the men who created the Declaration of Independence and/or the Constitution of the US.
4: Yet again, does not make him one of the men who created the Declaration of Independence and/or the Constitution of the US.
5: Indeed, very progressive, but does not make him one of the men who created the Declaration of Independence and/or the Constitution of the US.
6: Nicholas Dungan is "America's most serious historians"?

[Waldochia]

Newt All The Way

[Misterfisher minions]

Source?

People in LaissezFaireHolm told this to me via Mises.Org and many history sites but i just can't find it anymore, sorry.

Only after Hoover tried years of "rugged individualism" which did jack shit.

Hoover did nothing for the crisis, he was neither an austrian or a keynesian, just a pulp.

No, that would be the extremely harsh punishments imposed on Germany by the Treaty of Versailles, leaving the nation broke and angry.

It was actually not that harsh, the monetary crisis in Germany was way harsher. Ach, Ein Milliarden Deutsche Marken, mein freunde

Could you rephrase that second sentence? I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I meant in a democracy, you can vote for nazism

That wasn't a "gift", it was a recognition of the practical necessities of the times.

Pretty much what i meant, but it would certainly be a useful right nowadays, for syrian people, just sayin'.

[Grave_n_idle]

Which is typical Ron Paul, really. He only cares about the Constitution when he thinks it suits his agenda.

Broadly true, but he has much more respect for the constitution than any of his crazy colleagues, democrats and republicans.

I just don't believe that to be true, sorry.

Sure he SAYS he does, but his actions rarely match his words.

[Nazi Germany III]

Ron Paul = total idiot

Barack Obama = Awesome.

Obama 2012.

[Grave_n_idle]

There's nothing inherently sane or centrist about allowing people to be deprived of their rights.

The sane position is eventually to be neutral on other people's sexual orientation and to give them their individual right. I was pointing the fact that gay-reluctant or gay-enthusiastic positions are both appalling.

And I'm pointing out that your own apparent position is neither intrinsically sane nor centrist.

I'm not 'enthusiastic' about homosexuality - I'm not sure what that would even mean. My position isn't about enthusiasm, it's about equal rights.

[Misterfisher minions]

1: Admirable, but does not make him one of the men who created the Declaration of Independence and/or the Constitution of the US.
2: Again, does not make him one of the men who created the Declaration of Independence and/or the Constitution of the US.
3: And still, does not make him one of the men who created the Declaration of Independence and/or the Constitution of the US.
4: Yet again, does not make him one of the men who created the Declaration of Independence and/or the Constitution of the US.
5: Indeed, very progressive, but does not make him one of the men who created the Declaration of Independence and/or the Constitution of the US.
6: Nicholas Dungan is "America's most serious historians"?

All that to say he signed it, and inspired it .Would you like to know more? and Wikijunior is for the kids who don't know about the man

[Misterfisher minions]

I'm not 'enthusiastic' about homosexuality - I'm not sure what that would even mean. My position isn't about enthusiasm, it's about equal rights.

1) It's the "let them do what they want, they are so cute" position. I'm pretty sure it's a too retarded stance for america.

2) Same thing here.

[Karaden]

I believe he is more of a social libertarian then a republican

[Misterfisher minions]

Ron Paul = total idiot

Barack Obama = Awesome.

Obama 2012.

Troll lol lol lol lol .

[Grave_n_idle]

I'm not 'enthusiastic' about homosexuality - I'm not sure what that would even mean. My position isn't about enthusiasm, it's about equal rights.

1) It's the "let them do what they want, they are so cute" position. I'm pretty sure it's a too retarded stance for america.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

My position isn't pro OR anti homosexuals. It's about what you pretend yours is about, but mine actually is - equal rights under law.

[Dyakovo]

1: Admirable, but does not make him one of the men who created the Declaration of Independence and/or the Constitution of the US.
2: Again, does not make him one of the men who created the Declaration of Independence and/or the Constitution of the US.
3: And still, does not make him one of the men who created the Declaration of Independence and/or the Constitution of the US.
4: Yet again, does not make him one of the men who created the Declaration of Independence and/or the Constitution of the US.
5: Indeed, very progressive, but does not make him one of the men who created the Declaration of Independence and/or the Constitution of the US.
6: Nicholas Dungan is "America's most serious historians"?

All that to say he signed it, and inspired it .Would you like to know more? and Wikijunior is for the kids who don't know about the man

He didn't sign either nor was he active in the crafting of either. Thus he was not one of the founding fathers.

[Wikkiwallana]

Source?

People in LaissezFaireHolm told this to me via Mises.Org and many history sites but i just can't find it anymore, sorry.

Only after Hoover tried years of "rugged individualism" which did jack shit.

Hoover did nothing for the crisis, he was neither an austrian or a keynesian, just a pulp.

Then I should tell you that the turnaround point in the depression was when the New Deal was implemented.

No, that would be the extremely harsh punishments imposed on Germany by the Treaty of Versailles, leaving the nation broke and angry.

It was actually not that harsh, the monetary crisis in Germany was way harsher. Ach, Ein Milliarden Deutsche Marken, mein freunde

The monetary crisis was partially caused by the Treaty.

Article 231 of the Treaty of Versailles assigned blame for the war to Germany; much of the rest of the Treaty set out the reparations that Germany would pay to the Allies.
The total sum of war reparations demanded from Germany—around 226 billion Marks (ℳ)—was decided by an Inter-Allied Reparations Commission. In 1921, it was reduced to ℳ 132 billion, at that time, $31.4 billion (US$ 385 billion in 2011), or £6.6 billion (UK£ 217 billion in 2011).[3]
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The Versailles Reparations came in a variety of forms, including coal, steel, intellectual property (e.g. the trademark for Aspirin) and agricultural products, in no small part because currency reparations of that order of magnitude would lead to hyperinflation, as actually occurred in post-war Germany (see 1920s German inflation), thus decreasing the benefits to France and Britain.

Reparations due in the form of coal played a big part in punishing Germany. The Treaty of Versailles declared that Germany was responsible for the destruction of coal mines in Northern France, parts of Belgium, and parts of Italy. Therefore, France was awarded full possession of Germany′s coal-bearing Saar basin for a period. Also, Germany was forced to provide France, Belgium, and Italy with millions of tons of coal for 10 years.

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The Treaty of Versailles, however, accelerated the decline in the value of the Mark, so that by the end of 1919 more than 47 paper Marks were required to buy one US dollar.[11] It is sometimes argued that Germany had to inflate its currency to pay the war reparations required under the Treaty of Versailles, but this is misleading, because the Reparations Commission required payment to be in gold marks or in foreign currency, not in the rapidly depreciating paper mark.[12][13]

The German currency was relatively stable at about 60 Marks per US Dollar during the first half of 1921.[14] Because the Western theatre of World War I was mostly in France and Belgium, Germany had come out of the war with most of its industrial power intact, a healthy economy, and arguably in a better position to once again become a dominant force in the European continent than its neighbours.[2] But the "London ultimatum" in May 1921 demanded reparations in gold or foreign currency to be paid in annual installments of 2,000,000,000 (2 billion) goldmarks plus 26 percent of the value of Germany's exports.

The first payment was paid when due in June 1921.[15] That was the beginning of an increasingly rapid devaluation of the Mark which fell to less than one third of a cent by November 1921 (approx. 330 Marks per US Dollar). The total reparations demanded was 132,000,000,000 (132 billion) goldmarks which was far more than the total German gold and foreign exchange.

Hyperinflation

Beginning in August 1921, Germany began to buy foreign currency with Marks at any price, but that only increased the speed of breakdown in the value of the Mark.[16] The lower the mark sank in international markets, the greater the amount of marks were required to buy the foreign currency demanded by the Reparations Commission.[13]

During the first half of 1922, the Mark stabilized at about 320 Marks per Dollar. This was accompanied by international reparations conferences, including one in June 1922 organized by U.S. investment banker J. P. Morgan, Jr.[17] When these meetings produced no workable solution, the inflation changed to hyperinflation and the Mark fell to 8000 Marks per Dollar by December 1922. The cost of living index was 41 in June 1922 and 685 in December, an increase of more than 16 times.

In January 1923 French and Belgian troops occupied the Ruhr, the industrial region of Germany in the Ruhr valley to ensure that the reparations were paid in goods, such as coal from the Ruhr and other industrial zones of Germany, because the Mark was practically worthless. Inflation was exacerbated when workers in the Ruhr went on a general strike, and the German government printed more money in order to continue paying them for "passively resisting."[18]

Could you rephrase that second sentence? I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I meant in a democracy, you can vote for nazism

Yes, but I don't see how that is particularly relevant to our discussion.

That wasn't a "gift", it was a recognition of the practical necessities of the times.

Pretty much what i meant, but it would certainly be a useful right nowadays, for syrian people, just sayin'.

Might be, but it wouldn't magically ensure they were never oppressed again.

[New Unsociety]

Besides, marijuana is a sure sign that the person in question has committed other crimes as well. I've never met a weedsmoker who has never committed any other crimes.

I don't even know where to start on how illogical this is. It is an anecdote, wrapped in argument from ignorance, inside a generalization.

Maybe he only goes to meet weedsmokers who did commit other crimes. Also, law-abiding weedsmokers don't exactly make the news, do they?

[Dyakovo]

I believe he is more of a social libertarian then a republican

You would be wrong.

[New Unsociety]

About Ron:

Capitalist -> VERY BAD
Anti-abortion -> BAD
Racist -> BAD
Pro-drugs -> a bit good (weed not being far up on my list of issues by importance)
Pro-gun rights -> GOOD
Anti-Fed -> GOOD
Anti-war -> VERY GOOD
Anti-corporate welfare/bailouts/mil-industrial complex -> VERY GOOD
Anti-corporatist -> GOOD

In general, mixed opinion. Certainly better than all other GOP, and Obama. But i really don't like a jungle society.

[Wikkiwallana]

Anti-Fed -> GOOD

Why is that good?