What do you think of Ron Paul?

[The Forsaken Wilderness]

Ron Paul can never get the nomination. Those who love his domestic policy, hate his foreign policy, and vice versa.

very true. foreign is good for me

[Sibirsky]

Ron Paul can never get the nomination. Those who love his domestic policy, hate his foreign policy, and vice versa.

very true. foreign is good for me

Good for everyone except the defensive contractors.

[Mandicoria]

I dont really care if he becomes president. BUT if he does the same that President Bush has done then i will never vote for him. BUT i doubt that.

[Sibirsky]

I dont really care if he becomes president. BUT if he does the same that President Bush has done then i will never vote for him. BUT i doubt that.

Um... what makes you think he will do anything similar to Bush?

[Mandicoria]

I dont really care if he becomes president. BUT if he does the same that President Bush has done then i will never vote for him. BUT i doubt that.

Um... what makes you think he will do anything similar to Bush?

Im always worried on if any future president or presidental canidate will be like bush. I highly doubt he'll be like bush though.

[Dyakovo]

Ron Paul can never get the nomination. Those who love his domestic policy, hate his foreign policy, and vice versa.

orly? i love both.

Holy......

Damn. That really knocked him down a few pegs. Wonder what the paulbots will say about the article......

the newsletter he had nothing to do with.

Lol...
The newsletter he had nothing to do wirh other than approving his name being put on it and which he made a lot of money off of...

[AiliailiA]

very true. foreign is good for me

Good for everyone except the defensive contractors.

Some foreigners don't like it, as it's a cut to foreign aid which benefits their country. They also see it as putting them in danger of other Powers.

But of course, they don't get to vote

[Sibirsky]

Um... what makes you think he will do anything similar to Bush?

Im always worried on if any future president or presidental canidate will be like bush. I highly doubt he'll be like bush though.

Yeah I got the doubt part the first time you said it. But based on his platform, he will not be very similar to Bush. So I questioned why you think there any chance of that happening.

Bush did suck. No question about that.

[Sibirsky]

Good for everyone except the defensive contractors.

Some foreigners don't like it, as it's a cut to foreign aid which benefits their country. They also see it as putting them in danger of other Powers.

But of course, they don't get to vote

Well there is that.

But there is also the fact that it would meddle a lot less in some foreigners affairs.

[AiliailiA]

Some foreigners don't like it, as it's a cut to foreign aid which benefits their country. They also see it as putting them in danger of other Powers.

But of course, they don't get to vote

Well there is that.

But there is also the fact that it would meddle a lot less in some foreigners affairs.

It seems like the US can't win. Meddling makes enemies but not-meddling looks like abandoning allies.

If the US didn't have such a huge military this wouldn't be a problem. But selling military cuts is hard (particularly to the Republican base) because it pretty much admits that the last 20 years at least of military spending has been a mistake. Then opponents will point to the wars (which needn't have happened, but that's hard to explain) and say that with a less strong military more of "our boys" would have died.

I do think the US should spend less on military, but I wouldn't know where to begin in promoting that as a policy. Perhaps just talk about what foreign deployment costs and characterize it as 'foreign aid' ... but then Congress would say "great, thanks for that" and spend the money on some new weapons system instead.

[Sibirsky]

Well there is that.

But there is also the fact that it would meddle a lot less in some foreigners affairs.

It seems like the US can't win. Meddling makes enemies but not-meddling looks like abandoning allies.

If the US didn't have such a huge military this wouldn't be a problem. But selling military cuts is hard (particularly to the Republican base) because it pretty much admits that the last 20 years at least of military spending has been a mistake. Then opponents will point to the wars (which needn't have happened, but that's hard to explain) and say that with a less strong military more of "our boys" would have died.

I do think the US should spend less on military, but I wouldn't know where to begin in promoting that as a policy. Perhaps just talk about what foreign deployment costs and characterize it as 'foreign aid' ... but then Congress would say "great, thanks for that" and spend the money on some new weapons system instead.

Shitty position to be in, ain't it?

Yes, I agree.

[AiliailiA]

Probably the best that can be hoped for is a spending freeze. Make it into a question of "foreign deployments OR this new fleet of jets, you can't have both".

[Moral Libertarians]

It's the fluoride in your water.

The chem trails are clouding his mind! True libertarians know to hide under their beds at all times, so the Federal Reserve Agents don't see them through the windows.

to the lot of you.

Entertaining strawmen though, I'll give you that.

[Farnhamia]

The chem trails are clouding his mind! True libertarians know to hide under their beds at all times, so the Federal Reserve Agents don't see them through the windows.

to the lot of you.

Entertaining strawmen though, I'll give you that.

Your sense of humor is unplugged.

[Free Soviets]

orly? i love both.


the newsletter he had nothing to do with.

Lol...
The newsletter he had nothing to do wirh other than approving his name being put on it and which he made a lot of money off of...

and explicitly claiming responsibility for and defending the contents of when it was originally brought up as an issue in 1996.

but, new millennium, new paul - now with 70% less overt racist douchebaggery! just as much paranoid conspiracy theorizing, though.

[Moral Libertarians]

to the lot of you.

Entertaining strawmen though, I'll give you that.

Your sense of humor is unplugged.

I did say I had been entertained...

[San Espara]

This thread is still going?

I've done more reading on Ron Paul, and sadly been subjected to some of his supporters.

I think he has some good ideas. I agree that government shouldn't be involved in marriage, I'm ok with legalized pot (I do not and never will smoke it though), I agree that we need balanced budget, and I'm fine with downsizing the military a bit.

However, slashing regulations en masse is pretty stupid, returning to the gold standard is just silly, the Fed could probably do with some reform, but it's not the nefarious entity he's convinced it is, and his foreign policy and ideas on trade are pretty outdated. I'm concerned about anyone with so much support from the 9/11 truthers, militia types, and NWO believers.

Ron Paul is a 19th Century candidate running in 2012.

What say you Paulites? Do I hate liberty?

[Farnhamia]

Your sense of humor is unplugged.

I did say I had been entertained...

True, you did. You should joined in.

[Moral Libertarians]

I did say I had been entertained...

True, you did. You should joined in.

Guess I wasn't in the right mood at the time...

[Wikkiwallana]

Ron Paul can never get the nomination. Those who love his domestic policy, hate his foreign policy, and vice versa.

orly? i love both.

Holy......

Damn. That really knocked him down a few pegs. Wonder what the paulbots will say about the article......

the newsletter he had nothing to do with.

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/22/ron_paul_and_his_racist_newsletters/

[Giganopolis]

Dead on arrival

[Eviliatopia]

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/22/ron_paul_and_his_racist_newsletters/

Those things are fakes, and even in the incredible case he was effectively racist, who gives a fuck since only racist authoritarians are dangerous for minorities. How a libertarian/classical liberal president could lead racist policies?
By the way Wikki, you are an annoying paranoid when the discussion comes on Ron Paul, face it: you say he's racist, he hates liberty and he wants theocracies in the US. Don't you think it's a bit of an insane load of horsecrap?
Seriously, you can criticize RP on his foreign and economic policies with your liberal arguments, but those crazy attacks are just going to kill your credibility more than his.

[Revolutopia]

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/22/ron_paul_and_his_racist_newsletters/

Those things are fakes, and even in the incredible case he was effectively racist, who gives a fuck since only racist authoritarians are dangerous for minorities. How a libertarian/classical liberal president could lead racist policies?
By the way Wikki, you are an annoying paranoid when the discussion comes on Ron Paul, face it: you say he's racist, he hates liberty and he wants theocracies in the US. Don't you think it's a bit of an insane load of horsecrap?
Seriously, you can criticize RP on his foreign and economic policies with your liberal arguments, but those crazy attacks are just going to kill your credibility more than his.

I would say wikki has been extremely good in his argument saying that he and other opponents have repeatedly posted links proving their case. While, Paul's supporters constantly go off the same common buzzwords with little support.

[Dyakovo]

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/22/ron_paul_and_his_racist_newsletters/

Those things are fakes, and even in the incredible case he was effectively racist, who gives a fuck since only racist authoritarians are dangerous for minorities. How a libertarian/classical liberal president could lead racist policies?
By the way Wikki, you are an annoying paranoid when the discussion comes on Ron Paul, face it: you say he's racist, he hates liberty and he wants theocracies in the US. Don't you think it's a bit of an insane load of horsecrap?
Seriously, you can criticize RP on his foreign and economic policies with your liberal arguments, but those crazy attacks are just going to kill your credibility more than his.

RP is an authoritarian.

[Misterfisher minions]

RP is an authoritarian.

If you advocate:

- Complete economic freedom
-The abolition of the Patriot Act
-The sanctity of private property
-The end of the war on drugs
-The stop of military interventions
-The abolition of death penalty
- And if you consider that regulation of the gay marriage is none of the government's business

... you'll be labeled authoritarian .

Dear Sir Dyakovo, will you explain me

What

The

Fuck?