Is Obama really that bad?

by **Puissancevise** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:37 pm

I live in Texas, and people down here hate him SO MUCH. In fact, i'd just gone with the flow and thought he was a horrible president. But this coming election interested me, and while i was doing some research, i found that he wasn't as bad as everyone said. I did some more research, and his policies jumped out at me more than any other candidate so far. I also saw a bunch of stuff that, living in Texas, i'd never heard about till i searched for them. Good things! So NSG, i ask your opinion. Is Obama really that bad?

by **Nadkor** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:38 pm

Puissancevise wrote:Is Obama really that bad?

No.

by **New Conglomerate** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:39 pm

No. If not that, the options that have been provided by the Republicans are much worse.

by **Trotskylvania** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:39 pm

No. Can we move on, or are we still so shocked that there's a black man in the White House?

by **Puissancevise** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:41 pm

Trotskylvania wrote:No. Can we move on, or are we still so shocked that there's a black man in the White House?

Down here in Texas...a lot of them (more than they like to admit) are still pretty racist....actually. :unsure:

by **Daistallia 2104** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:47 pm

Your post reminds me of Bob Marley's old lyric "Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery; None but ourselves can free our minds."

by **Cameroi** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:49 pm

obama himself isn't the problem. he made some big mistakes in choosing his advisors in the biginning, and what may be an even bigger mistake not pushing more through when his party had a wide margin of dominance in congress. he wasn't the only one making those mistakes either. he's done a few things that make me think seriously about voting for "mr scruffy" though. but i don't see anyone likely to not do worse, let alone do any better, on the other side of the isle either.

by **Rhodmhire** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:50 pm

Are you kidding me?

I wish I could play basketball that well.

No, he isn't that bad. He's pretty boss when you get past the politics.

by **Lackadaisical2** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:52 pm

His policies haven't been much different than past administrations, so yes he really is that bad.

by **Puissancevise** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:53 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:His policies haven't been much different than past administrations, so yes he really is that bad.

There is no way he is worse, or even on the same plane, as George W. Bush....

by **Hannorat** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:54 pm

No. I think Obama's biggest failure is to not use executive power. Compared to FDR, he's a straight pansy when it comes to domestic policy. Now foreign policy.. he's as solid as one can be. He should take the tenacity of his foreign policy and apply it domestically, obviously much easier said than done.

by **New Conglomerate** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:54 pm

Puissancevise wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:His policies haven't been much different than past administrations, so yes he really is that bad.

There is no way he is worse, or even on the same plane, as George W. Bush....

He would be different in his policies, provided Congress would have worked with him before 2010.

by **Odins Scandinavia** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:55 pm

Puissancevise wrote:I live in Texas, and people down here hate him SO MUCH. In fact, i'd just gone with the flow and thought he was a horrible president. But this coming election interested me, and while i was doing some research, i found that he wasn't as bad as everyone said. I did some more research, and his policies jumped out at me more than any other candidate so far. I also saw a bunch of stuff that, living in Texas, i'd never heard about till i searched for them. Good things! So NSG, i ask your opinion. Is Obama really that bad?

he said a vote for him was a vote for change. but im still sitting around Terrell smoking and absolutely nothing has changed.
he at least fulfilled his campaign promise to pull out of iraq.. except it was on the bush timeline.

:.Disillusioned with democrats:

by **Odins Scandinavia** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:56 pm

Puissancevise wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:His policies haven't been much different than past administrations, so yes he really is that bad.

There is no way he is worse, or even on the same plane, as George W. Bush....

he said we would pull out of Iraq.. except he didn't mention it would be on the bush timeline.

by **Walrusfolk Eurarcta** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:57 pm

Eh. He violated the War Powers act and started a war unconstitutionally and failed to get any sort of congressional approval. At least in foreign policy, I say he is worse than Bush.

by **New Conglomerate** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:58 pm

Odins Scandinavia wrote:
Puissancevise wrote:There is no way he is worse, or even on the same plane, as George W. Bush....

he said we would pull out of Iraq.. except he didn't mention it would be on the bush timeline.

He didn't say we would bug out in '09 either.

by **Daistallia 2104** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:58 pm

Cameroi wrote:obama himself isn't the problem. he made some big mistakes in choosing his advisors in the biginning, and what may be an even bigger mistake not pushing more through when his party had a wide margin of dominance in congress. he wasn't the only one making those mistakes either. he's done a few things that make me think seriously about voting for "mr scruffy" though. but i don't see anyone likely to not do worse, let alone do any better, on the other side of the isle either.

Somebody should start a write-in campaign for Shelby. Couldn't be much worse than most of the candidates running now...

by **SaintB** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:58 pm

He's not that bad no. But people are going to hate him by party lines anyway.

by **Augustus Este** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:59 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:His policies haven't been much different than past administrations, so yes he really is that bad.

Pretty Much.

However the OP is probably referring to the disturbingly popular view that Obama is an authoritarian socialist and a muslim, both of which are flat out wrong.

by **Walrusfolk Eurarcta** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:59 pm

Puissancevise wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:His policies haven't been much different than past administrations, so yes he really is that bad.

There is no way he is worse, or even on the same plane, as George W. Bush....

Bush, for all the shit he did, at LEAST got some semblance of congressional approval before starting a war. Obama did not get approval, and failed to withdraw troops. He violated the timetable set by the War Powers act. He broke the law meant to keep warmongering presidents in check.

by **The Murtunian Tribes** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:00 pm

Odins Scandinavia wrote:
Puissancevise wrote:There is no way he is worse, or even on the same plane, as George W. Bush....

he said we would pull out of Iraq.. except he didn't mention it would be on the bush timeline.

Indeed, much to the chagrin of the Republican's he's sticking to their plan.

Welcome to American politics.

by **Puissancevise** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:00 pm

Walrusfolk Eurarcta wrote:Eh. He violated the War Powers act and started a war unconstitutionally and failed to get any sort of congressional approval. At least in foreign policy, I say he is worse than Bush.

And what war did Obama start? Bush started Iraq. Years of imperialist reign started Afghanistan. ....any others? Libya? Libya was frickin Libya. And France fought more than we did! So what war?

by **The lepearchauns** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:00 pm

No, but he is the weakest president I have seen. He needs to grow a pair, or ask Hillary for hers

Under normal circumstances, I wouldnt vote for him again. However, there are no good alternatives to him at this time

by **The Murtunian Tribes** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:01 pm

Walrusfolk Eurarcta wrote:Eh. He violated the War Powers act and started a war unconstitutionally and failed to get any sort of congressional approval. At least in foreign policy, I say he is worse than Bush.

Uhhhhhhhh...no. Thanks for playing.

by **Dyakovo** » Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:01 pm

Walrusfolk Eurarcta wrote:Eh. He violated the War Powers act and started a war unconstitutionally and failed to get any sort of congressional approval. At least in foreign policy, I say he is worse than Bush.

Reall? What war did he start?