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by SD_Film Artists » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:49 pm
by Yootwopia » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:49 pm
Kiskaanak wrote:-Is it a pipe dream of an NSG that never existed?
by Galloism » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:49 pm
Kiskaanak wrote:Galloism wrote:I think a major problem is quite that - the "not this shit again" problem.
How many times can you present facts, figures, sourced calculations, etc to the same argument before you just get tired of people just bullshit dismissing your claims, imputing bad motives, misrepresenting your argument, and so on?
It's tiring, and it's tiring to present the same old information to the same result over and over again.
People, good people, eventually just leave.
Ah, sigh.
And here is the subjective nature of reality, aptly demonstrated. For most people who make the claims you do above, are also seen as guilty of the same behaviour by others.
What I mean is, we all justify doing things like 'imparting motives' and 'summing up someone's argument', while we may actually be imputing bad motives and misrepresenting arguments. Of course, only our foes do this, we are innocent.
So there is certainly a level of hypocrisy at play in poster interactions that for me personally, has completely taken the shine off.
Why I keep coming back here complaining about this, I don't know. But I do. Is it a pipe dream of an NSG that never existed? I like to think I'm more realistic than that, but hey, in your opinion I'm probably a loon so who knows.
by Kiskaanak » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:49 pm
Hydesland wrote:
Anyway in general I think this whole thing is rose-tinted glasses and what not.
by Dumb Ideologies » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:50 pm
by Galloism » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:50 pm
Norstal wrote:Galloism wrote:I think a major problem is quite that - the "not this shit again" problem.
How many times can you present facts, figures, sourced calculations, etc to the same argument before you just get tired of people just bullshit dismissing your claims, imputing bad motives, misrepresenting your argument, and so on?
It's tiring, and it's tiring to present the same old information to the same result over and over again.
People, good people, eventually just leave.
The mods should really make a new rule to stop the creation of new threads on old problems.
by Hydesland » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:51 pm
Yootwopia wrote:I dunno, it seems a lot like there are more children (and bona fide kids) here than there used to be, with their fluffles and pony bullshit (also the creepy adults who try to fit in *shudder*).
by Yootwopia » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:51 pm
by Steel and Fire » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:51 pm
by SD_Film Artists » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:53 pm
by Kiskaanak » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:54 pm
Galloism wrote:
Naturally. Some are more guilty than others, though.
I will leave that for observers to decide.
Galloism wrote:
Of course, that requires them to actually present an argument, with sources, in order to properly address that argument, which a lot of people (old and new) fail to do. The new I suspect don't because they don't know how. The old don't because they've gotten lazy.
by Kalysk » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:55 pm
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by Serrland » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:55 pm
by Kiskaanak » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:57 pm
Norstal wrote:The mods should really make a new rule to stop the creation of new threads on old problems.
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by Kiskaanak » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:59 pm
Yootwopia wrote:Kiskaanak wrote:-Is it a pipe dream of an NSG that never existed?
I dunno, we've lost some quality posters. Fass, who was brilliant, posters like IV Stalin that outgrew this place, Zooke, obviously (shame her place in the collective memory is 'as someone in whose name Nanatsu no Tsuki gets prizes'), most of the crowd that went to other forums and all the rest.
They've been replaced with... well... nobody...
by Galloism » Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:01 pm
Kiskaanak wrote:Galloism wrote:
Naturally. Some are more guilty than others, though.
I will leave that for observers to decide.
Exactly. Because there is strong inability for 'some others' (never oneself of course) to see their own hypocrisy. That might entail dealing with it, trying not to do it, or other such unacceptable outcomes.
But yes, let's pretend there is some sort of objective group of observers who will prove 'some others' wrong and absolve us of any wrongdoing because when we do it, we're right.
Galloism wrote:
Of course, that requires them to actually present an argument, with sources, in order to properly address that argument, which a lot of people (old and new) fail to do. The new I suspect don't because they don't know how. The old don't because they've gotten lazy.
Hahahaha, and some people who think they are really smart are actually embarrassingly clumsy, but much too arrogant to notice.
Ah. I remember the 'good old days' when Neo Art held 'some others' in open contempt for attempting to piggyback on his arguments when 'some others' clearly did not understand them. Now 'some others' quote him in his absence.
High-larious.
by Steel and Fire » Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:02 pm
Kiskaanak wrote:Why I keep coming back here complaining about this, I don't know. But I do. Is it a pipe dream of an NSG that never existed? I like to think I'm more realistic than that, but hey, in your opinion I'm probably a loon so who knows.
by Kiskaanak » Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:04 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:I have never routinely participated in the ritualized e-peen swords battle of debate. So I will not presume to talk about the quality of debate. That is not my domain. I am but an occasional dabbler.
The community threads took a big hit with the F7 divide when anything social/chatty in General was stomped out. Now, that error has been substantially rectified. The influx of former F7ers to these forums is a good thing from my perspective; in the heyday of F7 I was an occasional participant there and many posters who I appreciate have come across that way. I think that the ever-stricter PG-13 stance is choking out a lot of discussions that would have been allowed to pass previously, and that is something I think impacts upon a lot of people's enjoyment of the forum since so many threads get shut down early. The biggest disappointment for me though has been the declining appreciation for satire. The amount of times I have seen something genuinely funny and then seen dozens of posters responding with "ZOMG TROLL" and the subsequent arrival of a rapid mod-lock is something I regard as a profoundly negative development. Satire threads were one of the things I really enjoyed when I first joined NSG, and to see their demise has been rather disheartening.
by Cannot think of a name » Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:04 pm
by Kiskaanak » Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:05 pm
Yootwopia wrote:
There was not enough of a crackdown. It was too much like 2011 Syria and not enough like 1960s China or that thing with Pol Pot.
by Seangoli » Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:05 pm
Galloism wrote:*treads carefully*
This forum still has pretty good quality. The only "going downhill" effects, I think, were the leaving of Cat-Tribe and Hammurab and the seemingly gradual yet continuous tightening of rules on the forum.
It used to be that we were told to "grow a thicker skin" if we got offended.
I haven't seen that phrase in I don't know how long.
It seems like taking a borderline opinion is, itself, nearly an expression of trolling or flamebaiting anymore, rather than the core of discussion.
Other than that, things are going ok.
by Hydesland » Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:06 pm
Yootwopia wrote:Fass
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