Stop expecting others to take care of you.

[Ryadn]

in a capitalist society, the very objective of each and every individual is to emerge as a member of the ruling class

Since there is no "ruling" of anyone by anyone else in capitalism, the premise of your argument is patently absurd.

Capitalism, fundamentally, is the status quo that exists when everyone leaves everyone else who's not hurting anyone alone.

Please don't make claims about capitalism when you don't know what capitalism is.

no, capitalism is a political system based on the concept of a free market, hence the major corperations end up with all the money and capital so they end up essentially ruling and look only after themselves... there are more people who are right wing authoritarian than leftwing authoritarian

But it's okay, as long as they don't call themselves "government employees." It is correct and moral to amass wealth for oneself. It is not correct or moral to amass wealth and distribute it.

[Czardas]

so we went to health care (something we can do ourselves) to maintaining a military (which i should mention is also a world super power)? both of which are ENTIRELY different and have HUGE differences, one trys to save your live the other end's our enemy's. just because someone cant afford it doesnt mean we have to go "OMG! SUM1 DOESNT HAVE HEALTH CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!1!!!111 WE ALL HAVE TO HELP!!1!" in a capitalist market, it will screw you over. if you can't afford the new Iphone you shouldn't open your 5th morgage on your house so you can get it.

funny thing not related to this but the person running the IRS (put there by obama the fail president) has 3 years of tax evasion ROFL, and how did he get there? ooo wait, he's a chicago politician, this sorta thing is normal.

If I can't afford an iPhone... I shouldn't have access to critical medication?

Well, yeah. An iPhone is only $300 and lasts for about two years. Two years of critical medication would be something like $500, assuming it costs about $20 for a month's worth of pills. Stop impeding the progress of capitalism!

[Surote]

It's not just the whining about needing socialized medicine, it's the entire sense of entitlement that people seem to have. It should be very simple. If you can't afford it, you shouldn't have it. Period. If someone wants to get it for you, great. I don't happen to care about you at all, and I resent greatly the belief that I should somehow pay for you to access anything you can't get on your own.

Where do you think this notion came from? This lack of self-sufficiency? Are children being too coddled by their parents? Is it wider social conditioning, top down? For those of you living on the public teat, what makes you think you should be doing so?

Obama wants to bring change conseratives want to stop it that's what all this is about but guess whose losing more seats in 2010 you know I know you knoe it rhymes with matserative

[Deus Malum]

so we went to health care (something we can do ourselves) to maintaining a military (which i should mention is also a world super power)? both of which are ENTIRELY different and have HUGE differences, one trys to save your live the other end's our enemy's. just because someone cant afford it doesnt mean we have to go "OMG! SUM1 DOESNT HAVE HEALTH CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!1!!!111 WE ALL HAVE TO HELP!!1!" in a capitalist market, it will screw you over. if you can't afford the new Iphone you shouldn't open your 5th morgage on your house so you can get it.

funny thing not related to this but the person running the IRS (put there by obama the fail president) has 3 years of tax evasion ROFL, and how did he get there? ooo wait, he's a chicago politician, this sorta thing is normal.

If I can't afford an iPhone... I shouldn't have access to critical medication?

Well, yeah. An iPhone is only $300 and lasts for about two years. Two years of critical medication would be something like $500, assuming it costs about $20 for a month's worth of pills. Stop impeding the progress of capitalism!

Umm....uhh...*slaps his sarcasmometer a few times*

[Surote]

so we went to health care (something we can do ourselves) to maintaining a military (which i should mention is also a world super power)? both of which are ENTIRELY different and have HUGE differences, one trys to save your live the other end's our enemy's. just because someone cant afford it doesnt mean we have to go "OMG! SUM1 DOESNT HAVE HEALTH CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!1!!!111 WE ALL HAVE TO HELP!!1!" in a capitalist market, it will screw you over. if you can't afford the new Iphone you shouldn't open your 5th morgage on your house so you can get it.

funny thing not related to this but the person running the IRS (put there by obama the fail president) has 3 years of tax evasion ROFL, and how did he get there? ooo wait, he's a chicago politician, this sorta thing is normal.

If I can't afford an iPhone... I shouldn't have access to critical medication?

Well, yeah. An iPhone is only $300 and lasts for about two years. Two years of critical medication would be something like $500, assuming it costs about $20 for a month's worth of pills. Stop impeding the progress of capitalism!

Umm....uhh...*slaps his sarcasmometer a few times*

My mom has to pay 50$ for two pills in a hospitial cause of the so called working system

[Muravyets]

I'd like to know what country we're talking about where people only have to pay about $20/month for vital medications. Because I'm in the US, and most people I know who need prescription medications pay upwards of $150/month, and some, for serious conditions, can be paying several hundreds of dollars every month over and above what their insurance will cover.

[Surote]

I'd like to know what country we're talking about where people only have to pay about $20/month for vital medications. Because I'm in the US, and most people I know who need prescription medications pay upwards of $150/month, and some, for serious conditions, can be paying several hundreds of dollars every month over and above what their insurance will cover.

really huh my health insurance covers shit it only paid $8 on a $50 medicine prescription you call that a working system

ohh and I'm talkin about the U.S.A

[Czardas]

I'd like to know what country we're talking about where people only have to pay about $20/month for vital medications. Because I'm in the US, and most people I know who need prescription medications pay upwards of $150/month, and some, for serious conditions, can be paying several hundreds of dollars every month over and above what their insurance will cover.

Well, that's definitely a lot more expensive than an iPhone. So my point stands. Besides, you could just switch to an insurance policy that covered all of the vital medications without you having to pay anything, since I'm sure those exist somewhere. Do the research, you lazy bum.

[NERVUN]

I'd like to know what country we're talking about where people only have to pay about $20/month for vital medications. Because I'm in the US, and most people I know who need prescription medications pay upwards of $150/month, and some, for serious conditions, can be paying several hundreds of dollars every month over and above what their insurance will cover.

Well, that's definitely a lot more expensive than an iPhone. So my point stands. Besides, you could just switch to an insurance policy that covered all of the vital medications without you having to pay anything, since I'm sure those exist somewhere. Do the research, you lazy bum.

I like you, you're funny.

[Fartsniffage]

I'd like to know what country we're talking about where people only have to pay about $20/month for vital medications. Because I'm in the US, and most people I know who need prescription medications pay upwards of $150/month, and some, for serious conditions, can be paying several hundreds of dollars every month over and above what their insurance will cover.

£7.20 per prescription and it doesn't matter how much is on it. My mother is on a few different drugs and will be for the rest of her life, our GP puts 3 months worth on each prescription.

I love the NHS.

[Lunatic Goofballs]

Well, that's definitely a lot more expensive than an iPhone. So my point stands. Besides, you could just switch to an insurance policy that covered all of the vital medications without you having to pay anything, since I'm sure those exist somewhere. Do the research, you lazy bum.

Once you need the medications it's too late to get insurance that covers the medication without paying a lot more than the medications cost. Policies that cover pre-existing conditions are obscenely expensive... unless you're a congressman.

[Muravyets]

I'd like to know what country we're talking about where people only have to pay about $20/month for vital medications. Because I'm in the US, and most people I know who need prescription medications pay upwards of $150/month, and some, for serious conditions, can be paying several hundreds of dollars every month over and above what their insurance will cover.

Well, that's definitely a lot more expensive than an iPhone. So my point stands. Besides, you could just switch to an insurance policy that covered all of the vital medications without you having to pay anything, since I'm sure those exist somewhere. Do the research, you lazy bum.

Oh, I'll get right on that, shall I?

[Ryadn]

If I can't afford an iPhone... I shouldn't have access to critical medication?

Well, yeah. An iPhone is only $300 and lasts for about two years. Two years of critical medication would be something like $500, assuming it costs about $20 for a month's worth of pills. Stop impeding the progress of capitalism!

Of course, it only costs $20 a month because my union has forced the district to provide us with insurance options (even though we have to pay for the insurance entirely on our own). Because it's offered by my job, the insurance provider has to accept me. Without the horrible coercion and theft propagated against the district by the teacher's union, I'd have to pay for my seizure meds out of pocket.

Out of pocket, they're about $200 a month. Just to not have seizures.

[Ryadn]

Well, that's definitely a lot more expensive than an iPhone. So my point stands. Besides, you could just switch to an insurance policy that covered all of the vital medications without you having to pay anything, since I'm sure those exist somewhere. Do the research, you lazy bum.

Once you need the medications it's too late to get insurance that covers the medication without paying a lot more than the medications cost. Policies that cover pre-existing conditions are obscenely expensive... unless you're a congressman.

Which is why I flew into a freaking panic when my insurance was accidentally canceled last month. I've never had a lapse of insurance since I was born. If I ever do, I'm pretty much screwed.

[Ryadn]

I'd like to know what country we're talking about where people only have to pay about $20/month for vital medications. Because I'm in the US, and most people I know who need prescription medications pay upwards of $150/month, and some, for serious conditions, can be paying several hundreds of dollars every month over and above what their insurance will cover.

My current insurance (I've been on all of the Big Three at some point) actually has pretty kick-ass prescription coverage, which is my #1 priority, really. I take four prescription medications a day, and they each cost $10-$20 a month. If I had to, I could cut down to just two of them--only my antidepressants and anticonvulsants are critical. They're not in any way exotic drugs, though---both of them are now generic brands---so I can see how someone who had a serious, less common condition could shell out big bucks.

[The Norse Hordes]

I don't happen to care about you at all

Awesome, the feeling is mutual. So Im not going to worry too much about your selfish and society destroying beliefs and how any change you dislike might upset you.


Thats right bitches. Im back.

[Ryadn]

I don't happen to care about you at all

Awesome, the feeling is mutual. So Im not going to worry too much about your selfish and society destroying beliefs and how any change you dislike might upset you.


Thats right bitches. Im back.

Thaaaaat's right. Every time you try to get out, we pull you back in!

[The Norse Hordes]

I don't happen to care about you at all

Awesome, the feeling is mutual. So Im not going to worry too much about your selfish and society destroying beliefs and how any change you dislike might upset you.


Thats right bitches. Im back.

Thaaaaat's right. Every time you try to get out, we pull you back in!

Psh, I thought I made it clear I never intended to stay gone. I think the Mods would get bored if I left. Theyd have all those warning cards sitting around without anyone to give em to.

[Bottle]

I'd like to know what country we're talking about where people only have to pay about $20/month for vital medications. Because I'm in the US, and most people I know who need prescription medications pay upwards of $150/month, and some, for serious conditions, can be paying several hundreds of dollars every month over and above what their insurance will cover.

I have to pay $40 per month for my ONE prescription. I have a very typical student health insurance package with United HealthCare (yes, they are the essence of evil, but no, I do not have any alternative choice right now).

[Konakimo]

Since there is no "ruling" of anyone by anyone else in capitalism

In capitalism, the means of production are owned and controlled privately. As a result, the owners of the means of production (capitalists) are able to exploit the workers, who are compelled by the threat of starvation and death to sell their labour-power to these owners, by driving them to produce surplus-value (the basis for profit) and in turn utilizing that profit to amass greater power and further extend class domination so that state policies will almost invariably reflect the interests of the the capitalists.

Plz do explain how this is not "ruling".

[Londim]

I'd like to know what country we're talking about where people only have to pay about $20/month for vital medications. Because I'm in the US, and most people I know who need prescription medications pay upwards of $150/month, and some, for serious conditions, can be paying several hundreds of dollars every month over and above what their insurance will cover.

I have to pay $40 per month for my ONE prescription. I have a very typical student health insurance package with United HealthCare (yes, they are the essence of evil, but no, I do not have any alternative choice right now).

If I had to do something like that with my limited student budget I'd be screwed. As it is if I feel ill I can just go to my local GP or hospital and have them give me a check up. I'd have to wait an hour or 2 if my condition isn't life threatening but say I had a life threatening condition, appendicitis for example, you can almost guarantee that tests would be done immediatley and I'd be in an operating room as quickly as possible.

The way I understand the American system is that if I contracted appendicitis there I'd still be in an operating room quickly but I'd have a hefty bill of thousands to pay off afterwards which all I can see doing is bringing a lot of stress on the individual. Please explain to me how this is a better system to produce a healthy population.