Is Socialism Un-American?

[Taeshan]

no

[Rhodmhire]

In Soviet Russia, slogans read YOU!!

Disclaimer: It didn't succeed--did it?

I'm getting better. That's progressive--that's good.

Disclaimer: Well, it would be, if I were actually getting better.

[Rhodmhire]

yes

Obama is Un-American.

Correct. How else do you explain this

Easy explanation--Bill Richardson had to poop really bad, that's why he's squinting his eyes and his face is as shown in the photo. To avoid being unable to move quickly enough in case it became too much, then-Senator Obama simply put his hands down to allow himself to quickly move in case Richardson had to deploy the submarines before the anthem was complete.

Simple.

Disclaimer: Ha.

[Thethunderdome]

I don't get what the big deal is: it's not like Capitalism did anything for America.

Arguably the most ignorant statement of this thread.

Agreed. Mind-numbingly ignorant. In fact, in reading the threads here there seems to be quite a few minds full of mush, kool-aid drinkers, "fellow travelers" and children posting on this topic.

Capitalism has allowed the US to become the superpower it is today.

NOT socialism OR communism OR fascism.....

Europe and russia are pretty powerful so is china and japan there way ahead of us

Wait, we have a new winner

Communist Russia collapsed. Now its capitalist Russia, and Europe is a whole continent. China and Japan are way ahead of us? By what criteria?

[Heronfield]

I read an interesting article which I can no longer find which stated after the $1trillion bail out that America had invented a socialism for the rich!

[New Mitanni]

It's not just un-American, it's anti-American.

Individual liberty and free enterprise are American. Socialism is inimical to individual liberty and free enterprise.

SMASH SOCIALISM NOW!

[Brewdomia]

yes

Obama is Un-American.

Correct. How else do you explain this

Cause this is much better isnt it

[Pevisopolis]

[response to title]

Socialism is certainly unamerican, but is that really such a bad thing? I'm all for internationalism rather than "Patriotism" and Xenophobia.

[Antilon]

Agreed. Mind-numbingly ignorant. In fact, in reading the threads here there seems to be quite a few minds full of mush, kool-aid drinkers, "fellow travelers" and children posting on this topic.

Capitalism has allowed the US to become the superpower it is today.

NOT socialism OR communism OR fascism.....

Europe and russia are pretty powerful so is china and japan there way ahead of us

Wait, we have a new winner

Communist Russia The U.S.S.R collapsed. Now its capitalist Russia, and Europe is a whole continent. China and Japan are way ahead of us? By what criteria?

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, the E.U. is fast becoming an economic power that will soon come to rival the U.S if not already, including Russia. The U.S. owes a substantial debt to China, which is also one of the U.S.'s leading manufacturers; in addition, China is modernizing and will soon drive up oil prices as it competes with the U.S. for supply, and also has a growing economy. Not so sure about Japan; probably wrong, imo.

[Maerngau]

yes

Obama is Un-American.

Correct. How else do you explain this

Obama is really 10 feet tall and Hillary is really a midget?

[Antilon]

It's not just un-American, it's anti-American.

Individual liberty and free enterprise are American. Socialism is inimical to individual liberty and free enterprise.

SMASH SOCIALISM NOW!

It was probably inevitable anyway...

Individual liberty and free enterprise are NOT EXCLUSIVELY AMERICAN.

[Maerngau]

yes

Obama is Un-American.

Correct. How else do you explain this

To be serious, are you REALLY claiming that a hand gesture to a piece of cloth actually means something important? Really? How pathetic.
Just to make you feel better, he did start wearing a flag pin.


Honestly I don;t give a shit if something is "unAmerican" as long as it works.

[Pevisopolis]

It's not just un-American, it's anti-American.

Individual liberty and free enterprise are American. Socialism is inimical to individual liberty and free enterprise.

SMASH SOCIALISM NOW!

A Mikhail Bakunin quote, I believe.

[Maerngau]

I don't get what the big deal is: it's not like Capitalism did anything for America.

Arguably the most ignorant statement of this thread.

Agreed.

Even though I think we need *more* socialism, capitalism is vital. People need to have real incentives to innovate, and produce. BUT, a 'free market' channels those incentives into a lot of destructive results.

[Maerngau]

It's not just un-American, it's anti-American.

Individual liberty and free enterprise are American. Socialism is inimical to individual liberty and free enterprise.

SMASH SOCIALISM NOW!

Let's torture socialists while we're at it. Torture is pretty "American" these days even if roads, schools, and fire departments aren't.

[Finland6]

yes

Obama is Un-American.

Correct. How else do you explain this

It looks like obama is holding his ballsack

[Flameswroth]

Individual liberty and free enterprise are NOT EXCLUSIVELY AMERICAN.

Did he say it was exclusively American?

I mean, I suppose one could assume in the context of the subject that when one says something is 'American' one is referring to concepts that are unique to American culture. But the way I read it, there was no assertion that those things were ONLY American, just that they ARE American.

I dunno, maybe I'm just splittin' hairs...

[Ravea]

It's not just un-American, it's anti-American.

Individual liberty and free enterprise are American. Socialism is inimical to individual liberty and free enterprise.

SMASH SOCIALISM NOW!

Yeah! No more fire departments! No more Medicare! No more roads! No more schools!

FUCK YEAH, CAPITALISM!

[Antilon]

Individual liberty and free enterprise are NOT EXCLUSIVELY AMERICAN.

Did he say it was exclusively American?

I mean, I suppose one could assume in the context of the subject that when one says something is 'American' one is referring to concepts that are unique to American culture. But the way I read it, there was no assertion that those things were ONLY American, just that they ARE American.

I dunno, maybe I'm just splittin' hairs...

True. It's just annoying to hear people saying that individual liberty and free enterprise is some kind of great, all-American virtue as if they created it [edit] even though the U.S. has historically violated these principles.

[Maurepas]

Individual liberty and free enterprise are NOT EXCLUSIVELY AMERICAN.

Did he say it was exclusively American?

I mean, I suppose one could assume in the context of the subject that when one says something is 'American' one is referring to concepts that are unique to American culture. But the way I read it, there was no assertion that those things were ONLY American, just that they ARE American.

I dunno, maybe I'm just splittin' hairs...

True. It's just annoying to hear people saying that individual liberty and free enterprise is some kind of great, all-American virtue as if they created it [edit] even though the U.S. has historically violated these principles.

Psh, youre not a real American unless you claim God created it,

[Kogler]

Agreed. Mind-numbingly ignorant. In fact, in reading the threads here there seems to be quite a few minds full of mush, kool-aid drinkers, "fellow travelers" and children posting on this topic.

Capitalism has allowed the US to become the superpower it is today.

NOT socialism OR communism OR fascism.....

Europe and russia are pretty powerful so is china and japan there way ahead of us

Wait, we have a new winner

Communist Russia The U.S.S.R collapsed. Now its capitalist Russia, and Europe is a whole continent. China and Japan are way ahead of us? By what criteria?

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, the E.U. is fast becoming an economic power that will soon come to rival the U.S if not already, including Russia. The U.S. owes a substantial debt to China, which is also one of the U.S.'s leading manufacturers; in addition, China is modernizing and will soon drive up oil prices as it competes with the U.S. for supply, and also has a growing economy. Not so sure about Japan; probably wrong, imo.

And just exactly what does this have to do with socialism being un-American?

[Antilon]

Agreed. Mind-numbingly ignorant. In fact, in reading the threads here there seems to be quite a few minds full of mush, kool-aid drinkers, "fellow travelers" and children posting on this topic.

Capitalism has allowed the US to become the superpower it is today.

NOT socialism OR communism OR fascism.....

Europe and russia are pretty powerful so is china and japan there way ahead of us

Wait, we have a new winner

Communist Russia The U.S.S.R collapsed. Now its capitalist Russia, and Europe is a whole continent. China and Japan are way ahead of us? By what criteria?

Fixed that for you.

Anyway, the E.U. is fast becoming an economic power that will soon come to rival the U.S if not already, including Russia. The U.S. owes a substantial debt to China, which is also one of the U.S.'s leading manufacturers; in addition, China is modernizing and will soon drive up oil prices as it competes with the U.S. for supply, and also has a growing economy. Not so sure about Japan; probably wrong, imo.

And just exactly what does this have to do with socialism being un-American?

Nothing, to be sure. I forgot to add [/threadjack], so... yeah...

[Kogler]

Individual liberty and free enterprise are NOT EXCLUSIVELY AMERICAN.

Did he say it was exclusively American?

I mean, I suppose one could assume in the context of the subject that when one says something is 'American' one is referring to concepts that are unique to American culture. But the way I read it, there was no assertion that those things were ONLY American, just that they ARE American.

I dunno, maybe I'm just splittin' hairs...

True. It's just annoying to hear people saying that individual liberty and free enterprise is some kind of great, all-American virtue as if they created it [edit] even though the U.S. has historically violated these principles.

And of course you can name the country founded before The United States of America that did originally combine the concepts of "individual liberty and free enterprise".....and took these two very simple precepts to become a world superpower......right?
And "the U.S. has historically violated these principles"....you can provide relevant examples....or are you just being fashionably cynical?

Once again, back to the original topic - "socialism" is Un-American. The United States of America was not founded on the concept of "government from cradle to grave". I wonder how many of you know why there was an American Revolution?

[Tsa-la-gi Nation]

Okay so I'm at a small Memorial Park on the Island, and its the last weeks before tourists finally depart for the north.

I'm hanging out with friends and some guy with his daughter and wife go to the tire swings. He puffed out his chest so everyone can read his stupid shirt.

This was the shirt he was wearing:



Ignore the Obama Logo..

But do you think Socialism is Un-American?

Of course not! Many workers rights & civil rights, that U.S. citizens enjoy today, had (& have) members of the communist party at the heart of the of labor & social movements. Thanks, in part to socialist leadership in U.S. history, we enjoy a 40hr work week, child labor laws, equal rights, the womens right to vote. All of that is off the top of my head without even looking anything up. Even today, socialist are in movements such as gay rights, universal health care, & the right to a living wage. Through out history, the have filled & help organize the rank & file of such movements. In fact, Eugene Debs speach against WWI was one of the greatest speaches in american history. I think he is one of the most overlooked "Great Americans". He served prison time for that speach, proving the 1st admendment only applies when what your saying doesn't threaten the ruling classes plans.

[Srork]

MINDBLOWING ignorance or historical revisionism.

WHY do people keep repeating this disinformation?

The only thing that modern socialists have in common with the Nazis is the word "socialist" in the name. Which is apparently enough to confuse the best and the brightest of the current GOP.

Its funny how you say that, yet you completely ignore the fact that Nazism means National Socialism. Nazism is very close to Fascism, and while even if it isn't the same as it, it's still Socialist.

Edit : No offense or anything, but I think, after that whole Nazism = National Socialism thing, I think you should just stop trying.