Is Socialism Un-American?

[Patriqvinia]

of course it is. If you're not rich and can't afford to live here you should go somewhere else, why should everyone have the chance to achieve what the wealthiest have?

No one should get anything if it's stolen from someone else.
Thieves should be punished- even those within the government.

Socialism is the opposite of everything the US Constitution says.
Try reading it now and again.

Seconded a thousand Times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pevisopolis]

of course it is. If you're not rich and can't afford to live here you should go somewhere else, why should everyone have the chance to achieve what the wealthiest have?

No one should get anything if it's stolen from someone else.
Thieves should be punished- even those within the government.

Socialism is the opposite of everything the US Constitution says.
Try reading it now and again.

Seconded a thousand Times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe the Constitution isn't quite perfect? That said, changes made to it to suit the needs of modern society, I believe, are a good thing, so long as the U.S. government even exists.

[Patriqvinia]

Un-American doesn't mean anything, it's just a phrase hacks throw around when they want to fire up emotions and win arguments.

Actually Un-American does mean something...
It means that something goes against the principles of the founders or conflicts with the constitution (the Bill of Rights especially.)

and the results of this poll...

[Unchecked Expansion]

and the results of this poll...

show that most people don't think the same as you. Some socialist ideas are good and useful, as the success of the EU shows

[Patriqvinia]

and the results of this poll...

show that most people don't think the same as you. Some socialist ideas are good and useful, as the success of the EU shows

[The Norse Hordes]

of course it is. If you're not rich and can't afford to live here you should go somewhere else, why should everyone have the chance to achieve what the wealthiest have?

No one should get anything if it's stolen from someone else.
Thieves should be punished- even those within the government.

Socialism is the opposite of everything the US Constitution says.
Try reading it now and again.

Seconded a thousand Times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The constitution says nothing about socialism.

[The Norse Hordes]

and the results of this poll...

show that most people don't think the same as you. Some socialist ideas are good and useful, as the success of the EU shows

I personally find the truth to be hilarious.


Unless youre arguing that Western Europe isnt prosperous....?

[Patriqvinia]

of course it is. If you're not rich and can't afford to live here you should go somewhere else, why should everyone have the chance to achieve what the wealthiest have?

No one should get anything if it's stolen from someone else.
Thieves should be punished- even those within the government.

Socialism is the opposite of everything the US Constitution says.
Try reading it now and again.

Seconded a thousand Times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe the Constitution isn't quite perfect? That said, changes made to it to suit the needs of modern society, I believe, are a good thing, so long as the U.S. government even exists.

It's not that the constitution is flawed (it is), but the fact that Americans (U.S.) have no idea what exactly is behind the first page (even if they, did their limited knowledge of 18th century grammar would not grant them comprehension.) It would be nice if the only changes (Amendments) made to it were those necessary to modern society, but sadly that is not the case.

[The Norse Hordes]

of course it is. If you're not rich and can't afford to live here you should go somewhere else, why should everyone have the chance to achieve what the wealthiest have?

No one should get anything if it's stolen from someone else.
Thieves should be punished- even those within the government.

Socialism is the opposite of everything the US Constitution says.
Try reading it now and again.

Seconded a thousand Times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe the Constitution isn't quite perfect? That said, changes made to it to suit the needs of modern society, I believe, are a good thing, so long as the U.S. government even exists.

It's not that the constitution is flawed (it is), but the fact that Americans (U.S.) have no idea what exactly is behind the first page (even if they, did their limited knowledge of 18th century grammar would not grant them comprehension.) It would be nice if the only changes (Amendments) made to it were those necessary to modern society, but sadly that is not the case.

What are you on about.

[Utvara]

Seventy years after the start of the Cold War, the Red Scare, and the blight on our nation's history known as McCarthy, and we're still going on about this bullshit?

[Patriqvinia]

of course it is. If you're not rich and can't afford to live here you should go somewhere else, why should everyone have the chance to achieve what the wealthiest have?

No one should get anything if it's stolen from someone else.
Thieves should be punished- even those within the government.

Socialism is the opposite of everything the US Constitution says.
Try reading it now and again.

Seconded a thousand Times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The constitution says nothing about socialism.

Of course not, Marxism didn't even exist. But the underlying principles, for example, "To each according to his need, from each according to his ability" are in direct opposition to “A wise and frugal government… shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”

[Pevisopolis]

Seventy years after the start of the Cold War, the Red Scare, and the blight on our nation's history known as McCarthy, and we're still going on about this bullshit?

Best first post ever.

You, sir, get a cookie!

[Patriqvinia]

and the results of this poll...

show that most people don't think the same as you. Some socialist ideas are good and useful, as the success of the EU shows

I personally find the truth to be hilarious.


Unless youre arguing that Western Europe isnt prosperous....?

Western Europe has almost always been prosperous, but some things are more important than general prosperity.

[Unchecked Expansion]

and the results of this poll...

show that most people don't think the same as you. Some socialist ideas are good and useful, as the success of the EU shows

I personally find the truth to be hilarious.


Unless youre arguing that Western Europe isnt prosperous....?

Western Europe has almost always been prosperous, but some things are more important than general prosperity.

You're right! The rights, health and opportunities of the population are

[Patriqvinia]

Seventy years after the start of the Cold War, the Red Scare, and the blight on our nation's history known as McCarthy, and we're still going on about this bullshit?

Moot point...

[Patriqvinia]

and the results of this poll...

show that most people don't think the same as you. Some socialist ideas are good and useful, as the success of the EU shows

I personally find the truth to be hilarious.


Unless youre arguing that Western Europe isnt prosperous....?

Western Europe has almost always been prosperous, but some things are more important than general prosperity.

You're right! The rights, health and opportunities of the population are

Independence as well, which is why I find social constructs like the EU very distasteful.

[Utvara]

Seventy years after the start of the Cold War, the Red Scare, and the blight on our nation's history known as McCarthy, and we're still going on about this bullshit?

Moot point...

Hardly.

In this day and age of free and open information, no one should be so ignorant as to believe that socialism/communism is some great threat to society. There are no red-tinged boogeymen under your beds, lying in wait for the day they will all rise up and overthrow the government, I assure you.

[Tech-gnosis]

Independence as well, which is why I find social constructs like the EU very distasteful.

Property rights, nations, ethnicities, families, corporation, ect are all social constructs.

[Patriqvinia]

Seventy years after the start of the Cold War, the Red Scare, and the blight on our nation's history known as McCarthy, and we're still going on about this bullshit?

Moot point...

Hardly.

In this day and age of free and open information, no one should be so ignorant as to believe that socialism/communism is some great threat to society. There are no red-tinged boogeymen under your beds, lying in wait for the day they will all rise up and overthrow the government, I assure you.

I suppose someone who sees no problem with communism would assure me that it poses no threat to society... However, as I am a Ukranian and an American, you will have difficulty convincing me otherwise... And, as an aside, how can they overthrow the government if they ARE the government

[Unchecked Expansion]

Independence as well, which is why I find social constructs like the EU very distasteful.

However, the formation of the EU is not associated with the adoption of social welfare in its members. It is simply an example of a large group of countries which have succeded by capitalist reckoning despite having welfare, universal healthcare and in several cases state housing. Your opinion of the EU is not connected to the question at hand

[Patriqvinia]

Independence as well, which is why I find social constructs like the EU very distasteful.

Property rights, nations, ethnicities, families, corporation, ect are all social constructs.

Uh, yeah... So, is there an objective point, or are you just sharing information with us?

[Utvara]

Seventy years after the start of the Cold War, the Red Scare, and the blight on our nation's history known as McCarthy, and we're still going on about this bullshit?

Moot point...

Hardly.

In this day and age of free and open information, no one should be so ignorant as to believe that socialism/communism is some great threat to society. There are no red-tinged boogeymen under your beds, lying in wait for the day they will all rise up and overthrow the government, I assure you.

I suppose someone who sees no problem with communism would assure me that it poses no threat to society... However, as I am a Ukranian and an American, you will have difficulty convincing me otherwise... And, as an aside, how can they overthrow the government if they ARE the government

Oh, so you're one of those people--that makes this much easier for me to understand.

What's being Ukranian have to do with anything? Gonna try and convince me next that the actions of the USSR reflect on socialism/communsim as a whole?



edit: Or, for that matter, that the USSR was a truly communist nation in anything but name? Please--hopes for true communism in Russia died when Stalin took hold of power.

double edit: I am not a communist, for the record.

[Tech-gnosis]

Uh, yeah... So, is there an objective point, or are you just sharing information with us?

So why do you find certain social constructs like the EU distasteful while you enjoy a number of other social constructs, presumably.

[Patriqvinia]

Seventy years after the start of the Cold War, the Red Scare, and the blight on our nation's history known as McCarthy, and we're still going on about this bullshit?

Moot point...

Hardly.

In this day and age of free and open information, no one should be so ignorant as to believe that socialism/communism is some great threat to society. There are no red-tinged boogeymen under your beds, lying in wait for the day they will all rise up and overthrow the government, I assure you.

I suppose someone who sees no problem with communism would assure me that it poses no threat to society... However, as I am a Ukranian and an American, you will have difficulty convincing me otherwise... And, as an aside, how can they overthrow the government if they ARE the government

Oh, so you're one of those people--that makes this much easier for me to understand.

What's being Ukranian have to do with anything? Gonna try and convince me next that the actions of the USSR reflect on socialism/communsim at a whole?

Well, I've got to say convincing a Uke how great communism is is akin to convincing a Jew that national socialism is the way to go...
But no... I'm not going to convince you that the Soviet Union reflects communism as a whole; however, it is but one example of how communism can be abused. I can't convince you of the ills of socialism or communism anymore more than I could an officer of the USSR, you will have to experience them, like say, a veteran of the Gulf War who experienced the horrors of the veteran's hospitals.

[Bavin]

actually he's got a point. politics used to be viewed as left and right wing, then it was viewed
left, right, authoritarian, anarchist.
now i'd say it's viewed as a sphere certain views will link into one another, others will be polar opposites.

His point isn't a good one. Find the right shade is key? No just let people govern there own god damn lives, and stop taxing people. If people want to put there money towards a government program, then allow them to do so after receiving all of there money. Anarchism for me at least, isn't the absence of government, it's the absence of the state which has a tax monopoly and doesn't have to abide by the rules of every day life.

You. Ever hear of the Articles of Confederation? You know, the liberatarian's dream version of the Constitution? That's what you are describing. FYI: the Articles failed. Epically.