Is Socialism Un-American?

[Buffett and Colbert]

Why did he do that?

Kormanthor's a she. And I have no idea, possibly it made it more likely we'd see Jesus's love or something?

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Really? Learn something new every day...

[Kormanthor]

Why did he do that?

Kormanthor's a she. And I have no idea, possibly it made it more likely we'd see Jesus's love or something?

This is a differant subject, so stick to this threads subject matter.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Why did he do that?

Kormanthor's a she. And I have no idea, possibly it made it more likely we'd see Jesus's love or something?

This is a differant subject, so stick to this threads subject matter.

OMGZ UZ A GIRLS???????

[Dzvasdvsdv]

This is a differant subject, so stick to this threads subject matter.

Alrighty then.

[Eugene Zolo]

Of course not! Many workers rights & civil rights, that U.S. citizens enjoy today, had (& have) members of the communist party at the heart of the of labor & social movements. Thanks, in part to socialist leadership in U.S. history, we enjoy a 40hr work week, child labor laws, equal rights, the womens right to vote. All of that is off the top of my head without even looking anything up. Even today, socialist are in movements such as gay rights, universal health care, & the right to a living wage. Through out history, the have filled & help organize the rank & file of such movements. In fact, Eugene Debs speach against WWI was one of the greatest speaches in american history. I think he is one of the most overlooked "Great Americans". He served prison time for that speach, proving the 1st admendment only applies when what your saying doesn't threaten the ruling classes plans.

Henry Ford actually started the 8 hour day 5 day work week. He did this so workers would be more efficient and so they would have more time to go out and spend money. Energized Workers = More Efficient Factory, Workers With Time On Their Hands = Consumers. The 40 hour work was created as a result of Capitalism not Socialism. Henry Ford certainly wasn't a Socialist.

P.S. Speech not speach.

[Kormanthor]

Total and complete socialism is definately Un-American ! Not only that socialism has never worked anywhere it has been tried .... Capitalism is the best economy type by far.

[Natapoc]

Total and complete socialism is definately Un-American ! Not only that socialism has never worked anywhere it has been tried .... Capitalism is the best economy type by far.

What part of the constitution or the bill of rights would prohibit socialism? While trying to find it consider that public roads, schools, ect are socialist.

[Tunizcha]

Total and complete socialism is definately Un-American ! Not only that socialism has never worked anywhere it has been tried .... Capitalism is the best economy type by far.

What part of the constitution or the bill of rights would prohibit socialism? While trying to find it consider that public roads, schools, ect are socialist.

Not to mention that both the military and Jesus are socialist.

[Tech-gnosis]

Henry Ford actually started the 8 hour day 5 day work week. He did this so workers would be more efficient and so they would have more time to go out and spend money. Energized Workers = More Efficient Factory, Workers With Time On Their Hands = Consumers. The 40 hour work was created as a result of Capitalism not Socialism. Henry Ford certainly wasn't a Socialist.

Do you have a source that shows that before the Adamson Act in 1916 which put the 8 hour work week into law that most companies had put into actual practice?

[Allbeama]

Limiting the free flow of ideas, and the freedom of ideological choice is un-American.

[Tsa-la-gi Nation]

Of course not! Many workers rights & civil rights, that U.S. citizens enjoy today, had (& have) members of the communist party at the heart of the of labor & social movements. Thanks, in part to socialist leadership in U.S. history, we enjoy a 40hr work week, child labor laws, equal rights, the womens right to vote. All of that is off the top of my head without even looking anything up. Even today, socialist are in movements such as gay rights, universal health care, & the right to a living wage. Through out history, the have filled & help organize the rank & file of such movements. In fact, Eugene Debs speach against WWI was one of the greatest speaches in american history. I think he is one of the most overlooked "Great Americans". He served prison time for that speach, proving the 1st admendment only applies when what your saying doesn't threaten the ruling classes plans.

Henry Ford actually started the 8 hour day 5 day work week. He did this so workers would be more efficient and so they would have more time to go out and spend money. Energized Workers = More Efficient Factory, Workers With Time On Their Hands = Consumers. The 40 hour work was created as a result of Capitalism not Socialism. Henry Ford certainly wasn't a Socialist.

P.S. Speech not speach.

That's a joke! The spelling Nazi returns & is funny as ever. O.K. let's look at ALL the US history that led to The Minimum Wage of 1938, which established the 40 hr work week, & outlawed child labor. In 1936 there were 48 sitdown strikes. In 1937, there were 477 sitdown strikes. The National Labor Relations Board (set up by the Wagner Act in 1935), couldn't control the wildcat strikes (sitdowns not controlled by the union leadership). This came to a head at the Memorial Day Massacre when police, brought in by Republic Steel fired at, & killed 10 stikers, running from the picket line. The workers were shot in the back. So, the National Labor Relations Board (giving unions a legal status) & the minimum wage of 1938, were both concessions WON by labor unrest & union leadership.
Before all this, Henry Ford (which you portray as a humanitarian), In March of 1931 said "The average man won't really do a day's work unless he is caught and cannot get out of it. There is plenty of work to do if people would just do it." A month later, he laid off 75,000 workers. What a great american.
P.S. I'll try not to edit this 5 times.

[Tekania]

According to Republicans, America is a Christian nation... Example from John McCain:

I would probably have to say yes, that the Constitution established the United States of America as a Christian nation. But I say that in the broadest sense. The lady that holds her lamp beside the golden door doesn't say, “I only welcome Christians.” We welcome the poor, the tired, the huddled masses. But when they come here they know that they are in a nation founded on Christian principles.

Christ advocated a Socialist system:

And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
And he said unto him…if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness.
Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love they neighbour as thyself.
The young man saith unto him, All of these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?
Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come follow me.

But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Therefore: Any Republican who advocates that the US is founded upon Christian values must then hold that Socialism, being Christ-Like and a decidedly supported element taught by Christ Himself is an American Value...

Thus for a Republican who holds America as a Christian Nation, must to be consistent support that Socialism is decidedly American...

Those who hold that America is not necessarily Christian, of course can advocate what-so-ever they want...

[Eugene Zolo]

Of course not! Many workers rights & civil rights, that U.S. citizens enjoy today, had (& have) members of the communist party at the heart of the of labor & social movements. Thanks, in part to socialist leadership in U.S. history, we enjoy a 40hr work week, child labor laws, equal rights, the womens right to vote. All of that is off the top of my head without even looking anything up. Even today, socialist are in movements such as gay rights, universal health care, & the right to a living wage. Through out history, the have filled & help organize the rank & file of such movements. In fact, Eugene Debs speach against WWI was one of the greatest speaches in american history. I think he is one of the most overlooked "Great Americans". He served prison time for that speach, proving the 1st admendment only applies when what your saying doesn't threaten the ruling classes plans.

Henry Ford actually started the 8 hour day 5 day work week. He did this so workers would be more efficient and so they would have more time to go out and spend money. Energized Workers = More Efficient Factory, Workers With Time On Their Hands = Consumers. The 40 hour work was created as a result of Capitalism not Socialism. Henry Ford certainly wasn't a Socialist.

P.S. Speech not speach.

The spelling Nazi returns & is funny as ever.
Before all this, Henry Ford (which you portray as a humanitarian), In March of 1931 said "The average man won't really do a day's work unless he is caught and cannot get out of it. There is plenty of work to do if people would just do it." A month later, he laid off 75,000 workers. What a great american.
P.S. I'll try not to edit this 5 times.

I rarely correct spelling mistakes its just you spelled speech wrong three times. I never portrayed Henry Ford as a humanitarian I merely stated that he came up with the 8 hour work day 5 day work week (which he did), and I explained why he did it and it had nothing to do with him being a humanitarian.

[Eugene Zolo]

Henry Ford actually started the 8 hour day 5 day work week. He did this so workers would be more efficient and so they would have more time to go out and spend money. Energized Workers = More Efficient Factory, Workers With Time On Their Hands = Consumers. The 40 hour work was created as a result of Capitalism not Socialism. Henry Ford certainly wasn't a Socialist.

Do you have a source that shows that before the Adamson Act in 1916 which put the 8 hour work week into law that most companies had put into actual practice?

I don't need a source for that, because thats not what I'm arguing (though I'm not even arguing, I'm just stating facts). All I said was that Henry Ford came up with the 8 hour work day 5 day work week and I explained why he did so.

[Virtud Tierra]

Whatever works is American.

We have plenty of "socialist" policies in effect. It doesn't mean we are as backwards and idealistic as European countries. FDR was one of the greatest leaders in American history and some of his common-sense "New Deal" ideas would be considered very socialist by todays standards.

We have our constitution and our bill of rights. Don't fuck with those. Everything else is free game.

[Milks Empire]

*snip evidence of complete ignorance*

You quite obviously don't know what the hell socialism is, or you wouldn't be using it to mean authoritarian...

[Kormanthor]

Total and complete socialism is definately Un-American ! Not only that socialism has never worked anywhere it has been tried .... Capitalism is the best economy type by far.

What part of the constitution or the bill of rights would prohibit socialism? While trying to find it consider that public roads, schools, ect are socialist.

We were founded as a Capitalist Republic by the founding fathers you figure it out

[Tsa-la-gi Nation]

Of course not! Many workers rights & civil rights, that U.S. citizens enjoy today, had (& have) members of the communist party at the heart of the of labor & social movements. Thanks, in part to socialist leadership in U.S. history, we enjoy a 40hr work week, child labor laws, equal rights, the womens right to vote. All of that is off the top of my head without even looking anything up. Even today, socialist are in movements such as gay rights, universal health care, & the right to a living wage. Through out history, the have filled & help organize the rank & file of such movements. In fact, Eugene Debs speach against WWI was one of the greatest speaches in american history. I think he is one of the most overlooked "Great Americans". He served prison time for that speach, proving the 1st admendment only applies when what your saying doesn't threaten the ruling classes plans.

Henry Ford actually started the 8 hour day 5 day work week. He did this so workers would be more efficient and so they would have more time to go out and spend money. Energized Workers = More Efficient Factory, Workers With Time On Their Hands = Consumers. The 40 hour work was created as a result of Capitalism not Socialism. Henry Ford certainly wasn't a Socialist.

P.S. Speech not speach.

The spelling Nazi returns & is funny as ever.
Before all this, Henry Ford (which you portray as a humanitarian), In March of 1931 said "The average man won't really do a day's work unless he is caught and cannot get out of it. There is plenty of work to do if people would just do it." A month later, he laid off 75,000 workers. What a great american.
P.S. I'll try not to edit this 5 times.

I rarely correct spelling mistakes its just you spelled speech wrong three times. I never portrayed Henry Ford as a humanitarian I merely stated that he came up with the 8 hour work day 5 day work week (which he did), and I explained why he did it and it had nothing to do with him being a humanitarian.

English is not my 1st lauguage. If my point of view is not understandable because I misspelled something, then be all means, please correct me at will. However in the 2 time you have done so, I don't believe that to be the case.
I don't know if you know this, but Henry Ford was also a Nazi sympathizer. In 1915, he started taking an anti semitic view in public speech. Later this continued in his news paper the "Dearborn Independant". In 1930 he hired many fasist sympathizers & accepted an award from Hitler himself.
I don't know the details of his evolvement in the 1938 minimum wage. I'm not supprised (he was envolved) since he was one of the leading industrialist of his time, but the labor movement history that I wrote about (8 posts up), had everything to do with why industry & government had to act (or concede) accordingly.

[Classical Liberal]

Yes it is. Next question?

[Tsa-la-gi Nation]

Yes it is. Next question?

Well that convenced me. If you keep up this sort of detail answers, you can reply to all 3000 topics in...well...maybe...20min.

[Classical Liberal]

Yes it is. Next question?

Well that convinced me. If you keep up this sort of detail answers, you can reply to all 3000 topics in...well...maybe...20min.

That's what I'm going for

[Londim]

Whatever works is American.

We have plenty of "socialist" policies in effect. It doesn't mean we are as backwards and idealistic as European countries. FDR was one of the greatest leaders in American history and some of his common-sense "New Deal" ideas would be considered very socialist by todays standards.

We have our constitution and our bill of rights. Don't fuck with those. Everything else is free game.

Backwards as European countries. Those same countries that consistently rank above the US in health and education as well as lower crime figures?

[Hairless Kitten II]

Question:

Is being social un-American?

[Tsa-la-gi Nation]

Question:

Is being social un-American?

Of course! Remember the Americans 1st neighbor, the "indians". The indians said hello, & taught them how to survive in their new home. Now they're all dead. Genocide in very anti-social.

[Kormanthor]

Total and complete socialism is definately Un-American ! Not only that socialism has never worked anywhere it has been tried .... Capitalism is the best economy type by far.

What part of the constitution or the bill of rights would prohibit socialism? While trying to find it consider that public roads, schools, ect are socialist.

If we were meant to be Socialist then we would have been Socialist from the beginning. We have not been, so we were not meant to be. Socialism is a trap that doesn't work. It ruins economies, why would you want it, why should I want it .... nuff said!