Is Socialism Un-American?

by **Trippoli** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:32 pm

Okay so I'm at a small Memorial Park on the Island, and its the last weeks before tourists finally depart for the north.

I'm hanging out with friends and some guy with his daughter and wife go to the tire swings. He puffed out his chest so everyone can read his stupid shirt.

This was the shirt he was wearing:

Ignore the Obama Logo..

But do you think Socialism is Un-American?

by **Mad hatters in jeans** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:36 pm

in soviet whitehouse t-shirt wears you?

nah socialism can happen anywhere.
That guy will have some difficulty in convincing me that socialism is un-american, for one he doesn't have a face.
talk about faceless bureaucrats. :roll:

"Skallvia" · by **Maurepas** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:43 pm

Nope, someone should tell that guy about the Public School system, Welfare, Medicare/Medicaid, etc...

Socialism is as American as Mom and Apple Pie,

by **G073nks** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:45 pm

of course it is. If you're not rich and can't afford to live here you should go somewhere else, why should everyone have the chance to achieve what the wealthiest have?

by **Conservatives states** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:46 pm

Nah, Socialism is pretty universal for all countries. It's the reason they all end up so shitty

, America is no exception.

by **Srork** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:46 pm

I smell H.U.A.C part two.

Socialism is as American as anything else. You'd actually be surprised to see how many Socialists there have been in American history, especially in the early 1900s, before the 'Red Scare' that is.

by **Guanzhong** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:46 pm

Maurepas wrote:Nope, someone should tell that guy about the Public School system, Welfare, Medicare/Medicaid, etc...

Socialism is as American as Mom and Apple Pie,

This

we have been running on a mixed economy for some time now, and we have done fairly well for ourselves (well, not NOW)

Don't forget Social Secruity

by **Chrobalta** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:48 pm

Conservatives states wrote:Nah, Socialism is pretty universal for all countries. It's the reason they all end up so shitty , America is no exception.

Nice Avatar

But seriously, Socialism is perfectly American. "Equality" is the key world I take from it.

by **Leonidas Mane** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:49 pm

There is an American version of socialism that grew out of the anarchist school of socialist thought, but the statist, paternalistc socialism bandied about by the Left of today is European born and was brought over to the US by migrants during the mid 1800s.

by **Conservatives states** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:49 pm

Guanzhong wrote:
Maurepas wrote:Nope, someone should tell that guy about the Public School system, Welfare, Medicare/Medicaid, etc...

Socialism is as American as Mom and Apple Pie,

This

we have been running on a mixed economy for some time now, and we have done fairly well for ourselves (well, not NOW)

Don't forget Social Secruity

A mixed economy is a fairytale sir. If you knew some economics, and from that statement I know you don't. You wouldn't say such a thing. Points in direction of http://www.mises.org

by **Mad hatters in jeans** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:50 pm

Chrobalta wrote:
Conservatives states wrote:Nah, Socialism is pretty universal for all countries. It's the reason they all end up so shitty , America is no exception.

Nice Avatar

But seriously, Socialism is perfectly American. "Equality" is the key world I take from it.

nice.

by **Tunizcha** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:52 pm

Could we move away from this notion of "Un-American" and "American"?

by **Sorgan** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:54 pm

Maurepas wrote:about the Public School system,)

Eh... Charter schools are a lot better then public. Basically a private school where you don't have to pay extreme amounts (I think it is like 30$ a session or something around that area)

by **Conservatives states** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:54 pm

Chrobalta wrote:
Conservatives states wrote:Nah, Socialism is pretty universal for all countries. It's the reason they all end up so shitty , America is no exception.

Nice Avatar

But seriously, Socialism is perfectly American. "Equality" is the key world I take from it.

See playing with images is fun and all, but I don't feel socialism (although state capitalism is pretty much the only form of statism) quite grasps the actions of the government. If I wasn't so lazy I'd change my picture to statism. Because with state control both "capitalist" and "socialist" do corrupt bullshit things.

by **Cannot think of a name** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:54 pm

Tunizcha wrote:Could we move away from this notion of "Un-American" and "American"?

This is pretty much what I was going to say. Our obsession with 'unAmerican' makes us look fucking stupid.

by **Pal Mac** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:55 pm

What the hell was the bailout of all the failing businesses if not socialism gone bad! if we had a true capitalistic state, that never would have happened! Then again, everyone who is Republican and/or rich hated/hates Roosevelt as well, but look what he did for this country. What amazes me is the gross stupidity of most Americans! disgusting. next , lets get rid of all unions, all welfare, all social services, and public education! after all, they all promote social equality! pahhh!

by **Sorgan** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:55 pm

Tunizcha wrote:Could we move away from this notion of "Un-American" and "American"?

Indeed. If it was Un-American it would not be allowed by the government. I'm sure one representative would say "No". (Well we all know all the political figures are heartless lizard people...)

by **South Lorenya** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:56 pm

Obviously, the guy at Memorial park has no clue that socialism and communism are two different things.

"Skallvia" · by **Maurepas** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:57 pm

Sorgan wrote:
Maurepas wrote:about the Public School system,)

Eh... Charter schools are a lot better then public. Basically a private school where you don't have to pay extreme amounts (I think it is like 30$ a session or something around that area)

Beside the point, the Public School system is still fundamentally a part of America these days...

by **Martaz** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:57 pm

yes

Obama is Un-American.

by **Conservatives states** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 5:58 pm

Pal Mac wrote:What the hell was the bailout of all the failing businesses if not socialism gone bad! if we had a true capitalistic state, that never would have happened! Then again, everyone who is Republican and/or rich hated/hates Roosevelt as well, but look what he did for this country. What amazes me is the gross stupidity of most Americans! disgusting. next , lets get rid of all unions, all welfare, all social services, and public education! after all, they all promote social equality! pahhh!

Bro, slow the fuck down. There is no true capitalist "state". States are beacons of corruption and mismanagement of resources. You can call the state fascist, socialist, state capitalist, and even drop the state behind capitalist. It doesn't make a bit of difference, it's all the same thing. If you want, what the right sometimes refers to as capitalism, and the free market, you can't have a state.

by **Srork** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:00 pm

Conservatives states wrote:
Bro, slow the fuck down. There is no true capitalist "state". States are beacons of corruption and mismanagement of resources. You can call the state fascist, socialist, state capitalist, and even drop the state behind capitalist. It doesn't make a bit of difference, it's all the same thing. If you want, what the right sometimes refers to as capitalism, and the free market, you can't have a state.

Imo, the more right you go, the more Socialist you become.

by **Tunizcha** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:03 pm

Srork wrote:
Conservatives states wrote:
Bro, slow the fuck down. There is no true capitalist "state". States are beacons of corruption and mismanagement of resources. You can call the state fascist, socialist, state capitalist, and even drop the state behind capitalist. It doesn't make a bit of difference, it's all the same thing. If you want, what the right sometimes refers to as capitalism, and the free market, you can't have a state.

Imo, the more right you go, the more Socialist you become.

Wait, what? The more right you go? If you mean right as in Austrian Liberalism, then yes, but if you mean Right as in Right Wing, then no.

by **Mad hatters in jeans** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:03 pm

South Lorenya wrote:Obviously, the guy at Memorial park has no clue that socialism and communism are two different things.

but but but Marx was a socialist who wrote the communist manifesto?

oh noes my theories are pinwheeling pinwheeling into oblivion....
*whirles slowing in time*

by **Marcuslandia** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 6:04 pm

BUZZZZZZZZword.

America is supposedly a "melting pot". That's for our mix of politics as well as the blend of immigrants and natives. Like to see how the USA would fair without Police, infrastructure, Fire prevention, et al. Anybody that sees the word "Socialism" and then immediately has his vision blur as his blood pressure pops is not exactly someone that I would expect to even occasionally get described as "he's a deep thinker".