Another blogger killed by the Zetas.

[Zarkenis Ultima]

While that is true, legalizing drugs would still cut off their source of income. They would run out of money, eventually.

You really beileve there gonna legalize? People have been trying for years to legalize such drugs...Mostly why they were illegalized was because of its addictiveness and the side effects. Legalize Pot yeah i see that happening but all drugs? No thats not gonna happen no matter what.

No, I don't believe that. You commented that legalizing drugs wouldn't make that much of an impact because they were fighting for territory. I merely pointed out that if such a thing happened they would eventually run out of funds.

[United World Order]

Umm..The Cartels such as Zetas have all the money and drugs they need hence the gold plated weapons and large stash houses of drugs, They want territory thats what they're fighting for territory, Not for money or drugs...no, they want Territory.

And why do they have that money? Because the US governments drug policies have led to a plant, that has been cultivated for thousands of years in almost any environment, being sold for more per ounce than silver and other precious metals.

They fight for territory, so they can control such a lucrative black market. Eliminate the Black Market and you eliminate the violence.

You think they'd figure that out anytime soon? Probably not

[Anemos Major]

Ooh, Zetas, you so cool, you hang fat nerds.

Who the fuck can take these guys seriously? They're the late-20s version of the high school bully. Kick 'em in the nuts and they'll learn their place.

Seriously? They're just about the most dangerous organised crime syndicate on the planet. "Kicking them in the nuts" is what the Mexican government has tried for years. And it lost and is a failed state now, at least in the parts of the country the cartels call their own.

Being Japanese, and fully aware of Japanese organised crime, I can't help but view the Zetas with disdain.

[United World Order]

You really beileve there gonna legalize? People have been trying for years to legalize such drugs...Mostly why they were illegalized was because of its addictiveness and the side effects. Legalize Pot yeah i see that happening but all drugs? No thats not gonna happen no matter what.

No, I don't believe that. You commented that legalizing drugs wouldn't make that much of an impact because they were fighting for territory. I merely pointed out that if such a thing happened they would eventually run out of funds.

I understand but by the time that happens they will have enough saved for years.

[Tubbsalot]

Exactly how "enormously helpful" has it been?

I wouldn't know, but it clearly hasn't been a magical pill.

Still, it's better to give a pill to someone and not have them recover, than it is to smother them to death with a pillow.

Well where else you gonna find it? FOX? NBC? bullshit.. they hardly talk about it.

True, but that doesn't mean I'll trust someone who knows just as much as me, which is to say almost nothing at all.

[Neu Leonstein]

Exactly how "enormously helpful" has it been?

Well, Mexico still exists. Hard to think it wouldn't be even more of a narco state already if the government couldn't count on a massive backer. And, although the environment is different, you've got to remember that US assistance eventually allowed the Colombian government to defeat FARC and the Colombian cartels for the most part. That's why there's indications that a lot of the coca farming is happening further north (or in Venezuela) now. I think as the government gets more control in former FARC areas, that'll only get more, and so the governments in Central America will get taken over by the Mexican cartels.

[United World Order]

Seriously? They're just about the most dangerous organised crime syndicate on the planet. "Kicking them in the nuts" is what the Mexican government has tried for years. And it lost and is a failed state now, at least in the parts of the country the cartels call their own.

Being Japanese, and fully aware of Japanese organised crime, I can't help but view the Zetas with disdain.

Their two different organazations so to speak. So their pretty different. By Japanese Organised Crime you mean the Yakuza?

[North Calaveras]

Exactly how "enormously helpful" has it been?

I wouldn't know, but it clearly hasn't been a magical pill.

Still, it's better to give a pill to someone and not have them recover, than it is to smother them to death with a pillow.

Well where else you gonna find it? FOX? NBC? bullshit.. they hardly talk about it.

True, but that doesn't mean I'll trust someone who knows just as much as me, which is to say almost nothing at all.

Stop comparing to a pill, that's a terrible way to put it in perspective. You just said aid would be enormously helpful and then you said that the US is already providing said aid and I asked how that's working out and all you got it

" I wouldn't know" Why would you say it's helpful and the US is already doing it yet show no evidence of progress?

[Zarkenis Ultima]

No, I don't believe that. You commented that legalizing drugs wouldn't make that much of an impact because they were fighting for territory. I merely pointed out that if such a thing happened they would eventually run out of funds.

I understand but by the time that happens they will have enough saved for years.

Yes, yes they would. I don't have arguments to deny that. I was just saying.

[Neu Leonstein]

Being Japanese, and fully aware of Japanese organised crime, I can't help but view the Zetas with disdain.

Well, organised crime in Japan is certainly less socially disruptive. Only having seen a few documentaries, they seem to be governed by standards of behaviour. But then, the Japanese state has a kind of weird relationship with them anyway. Prostitution and gambling seem more tolerable businesses than industrial-scale drug logistics, anyway.

[North Calaveras]

Exactly how "enormously helpful" has it been?

Well, Mexico still exists. Hard to think it wouldn't be even more of a narco state already if the government couldn't count on a massive backer. And, although the environment is different, you've got to remember that US assistance eventually allowed the Colombian government to defeat FARC and the Colombian cartels for the most part. That's why there's indications that a lot of the coca farming is happening further north (or in Venezuela) now. I think as the government gets more control in former FARC areas, that'll only get more, and so the governments in Central America will get taken over by the Mexican cartels.

Mexico will exist even if narcos had 100%, the nation of Mexico would still exist, just under different management.

[United World Order]

I understand but by the time that happens they will have enough saved for years.

Yes, yes they would. I don't have arguments to deny that. I was just saying.

Yeah i know, I was just explaining is all.

[Greed and Death]

No, I don't believe that. You commented that legalizing drugs wouldn't make that much of an impact because they were fighting for territory. I merely pointed out that if such a thing happened they would eventually run out of funds.

I understand but by the time that happens they will have enough saved for years.

Ideally at that point they just retire and live the lives of rich people.

[New Manvir]

And why do they have that money? Because the US governments drug policies have led to a plant, that has been cultivated for thousands of years in almost any environment, being sold for more per ounce than silver and other precious metals.

They fight for territory, so they can control such a lucrative black market. Eliminate the Black Market and you eliminate the violence.

You think they'd figure that out anytime soon? Probably not

If I keep yelling, maybe they will eventually. I'm tired of tolerating this stupid bullshit.

[Neu Leonstein]

Mexico will exist even if narcos had 100%, the nation of Mexico would still exist, just under different management.

That seems a tad pedantic. I know Mexico wouldn't suddenly turn into a big whole. But the state would no longer be around. The new management would presume one cartel having sufficient control over the entire country, which if it was possible seems to be many years of warfare away.

[United World Order]

You think they'd figure that out anytime soon? Probably not

If I keep yelling, maybe they will eventually. I'm tired of tolerating this stupid bullshit.

You should.

[New Manvir]

If I keep yelling, maybe they will eventually. I'm tired of tolerating this stupid bullshit.

You should.

I should what?

[North Calaveras]

Mexico will exist even if narcos had 100%, the nation of Mexico would still exist, just under different management.

That seems a tad pedantic. I know Mexico wouldn't suddenly turn into a big whole. But the state would no longer be around. The new management would presume one cartel having sufficient control over the entire country, which if it was possible seems to be many years of warfare away.

Correct, but "Mexico" would still exist

[Tubbsalot]

Stop comparing to a pill, that's a terrible way to put it in perspective. You just said aid would be enormously helpful and then you said that the US is already providing said aid and I asked how that's working out and all you got it

" I wouldn't know" Why would you say it's helpful and the US is already doing it yet show no evidence of progress?

I compared it to that once. Take a chill pill.

As NL has pointed out, Mexico still exists, and it's hard to know whether that would be the state without US security/intel assistance. It might not have rid the country of gangs, but that doesn't mean it's been useless - you have to rein them in before you can bring them down.

Mexico will exist even if narcos had 100%, the nation of Mexico would still exist, just under different management.

I doubt that would be much comfort to anyone involved.

[Saiwania]

Ooh, Zetas, you so cool, you hang fat nerds.
Who the fuck can take these guys seriously? They're the late-20s version of the high school bully. Kick 'em in the nuts and they'll learn their place.

Los Zetas is a much more serious threat in that, they're just as dangerous (if not more so) than the mafia was at their peak. They make insane amounts of money with their illegal activities and can buy weapons which will often outgun the police. Mexico can't even begin to take them on, until they can get corruption under control.

[United World Order]

Cartels controling Mexico? Impossible they'd be fighting way to much to actually run the country. It will just make things worse for Mexico

[North Calaveras]

Stop comparing to a pill, that's a terrible way to put it in perspective. You just said aid would be enormously helpful and then you said that the US is already providing said aid and I asked how that's working out and all you got it

" I wouldn't know" Why would you say it's helpful and the US is already doing it yet show no evidence of progress?

I compared it to that once. Take a chill pill.

As NL has pointed out, Mexico still exists, and it's hard to know whether that would be the state without US security/intel assistance. It might not have rid the country of gangs, but that doesn't mean it's been useless - you have to rein them in before you can bring them down.

Mexico will exist even if narcos had 100%, the nation of Mexico would still exist, just under different management.

I doubt that would be much comfort to anyone involved.

1. I already stated that it would still exist

2. Obviously

[United World Order]

You should.

I should what?

Keep yelling.

[New Manvir]

I should what?

Keep yelling.

I'll keep doing that.

The Drug War pisses me off. It's a manufactured problem with a simple remedy that we keep continuing to ignore. It's as if society shot itself in the foot, and then instead of reaching for the phone and first aid kit that's right beside us, we stare at the gaping wound and yell at it to heal itself.

[New Manvir]

More precisely, authoritarian policies have provided financial opportunities for such gangs. Those policies don't necessarily foster gang activity, in and of themselves.


Again, I look forward to the day where the extra pressure on Mexico from your ill-conceived punishment causes a national collapse and exponential growth in illegal activity and problems leaking into the US.

Cause you have a better idea huh?

I'm just giving my "ill-conceived" opinion on the matter. I would never want Mexico to collapse, I never even hinted towards that. I would be more down to instal a military dictatorship.

There are plenty of better ideas, and all of them cost less money and kill less people.