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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:51 pm

The one thing i love about totalitarian regimes, this kind of shit gets put down fast.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:51 pm

Arkinesia wrote:Then you stop taking retarded stances toward the whole thing and legalize marijuana and take away a huge chunk of their profits/motivation.

This.

Mexico is screwed, Honduras, Guatemala and so on are even more screwed. And all because of the war on drugs. If you let big pharma provide cocaine and methadone on a large scale, you take away the demand and the cartels will eat themselves up. It's not hard. It's just politically infeasible.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:52 pm

North Calaveras wrote:The one thing i love about totalitarian regimes, this kind of shit gets put down fast.

That's only because the regime is the cartel. North Korea is a good case in point.
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Postby North Calaveras » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:55 pm

Neu Leonstein wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:The one thing i love about totalitarian regimes, this kind of shit gets put down fast.

That's only because the regime is the cartel. North Korea is a good case in point.


Exactly, we shouldn't treat Mexico as an ally anymore, they are way to corrupt and are leaking their violence and crime into the US.
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Postby Pieman City » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:57 pm

Silly internet users trying to actually take on real problems with petty threats.


Some people are getting far too big headed with all the hacking going on. Makes em think they're invincible. And now more people are dead. Good job them

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Postby Tubbsalot » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:57 pm

North Calaveras wrote:Exactly, we shouldn't treat Mexico as an ally anymore, they are way to corrupt and are leaking their violence and crime into the US.

I agree. We should cut off all support to Mexico, so that the USA has almost a new Somalia on its borders to leak violence and crime in. Finally, Southerners will be bitching about an actual problem. Totally worth it.
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Postby Norstal » Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:58 pm

North Calaveras wrote:
Neu Leonstein wrote:That's only because the regime is the cartel. North Korea is a good case in point.


Exactly, we shouldn't treat Mexico as an ally anymore, they are way to corrupt and are leaking their violence and crime into the US.

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Postby North Calaveras » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:00 am

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North Calaveras wrote:Exactly, we shouldn't treat Mexico as an ally anymore, they are way to corrupt and are leaking their violence and crime into the US.

I agree. We should cut off all support to Mexico, so that the USA has almost a new Somalia on its borders to leak violence and crime in. Finally, Southerners will be bitching about an actual problem. Totally worth it.


Did I say cut off all support? Think before you type.
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Postby New Manvir » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:00 am

Arkinesia wrote:
Altakstan wrote:I read that a lot of the Zetas are ex-Kaibalis(sp?). They're a highly trained special ops group(Guatamal, I believe), and their training desensitizes them to taking life. You can't just "kicak then in the nuts". This isn't high school. It's the real world you're playing in, and.people.will die.

Then you stop taking retarded stances toward the whole thing and legalize marijuana and take away a huge chunk of their profits/motivation.


Seriously, this. All this blood is being spilled for no reason, other than Harry Anslinger being a huge fucking cunt 70 years ago.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:01 am

North Calaveras wrote:
Tubbsalot wrote:I agree. We should cut off all support to Mexico, so that the USA has almost a new Somalia on its borders to leak violence and crime in. Finally, Southerners will be bitching about an actual problem. Totally worth it.

Did I say cut off all support? Think before you type.

No, you said "don't treat them as an ally anymore," which I guess implies an even more extreme reaction than the one I noted. Would you support an invasion of Mexico, perhaps? Shall we just kill everyone in the country? Problem solved, I guess.

Consider the possibility that you were less-than-exact in your wording.
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Postby New Manvir » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:02 am

North Calaveras wrote:The one thing i love about totalitarian regimes, this kind of shit gets put down fast.


Authoritarian policies by the state is the reason for this existing in the first place.
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Postby North Calaveras » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:03 am

Tubbsalot wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:Did I say cut off all support? Think before you type.

No, you said "don't treat them as an ally anymore," which I guess implies an even more extreme reaction than the one I noted. Would you support an invasion of Mexico, perhaps? Shall we just kill everyone in the country? Problem solved, I guess.

Consider the possibility that you were less-than-exact in your wording.


I might have been but really? killing everyone in mexico? That's crazy, even for me lol

I say we start punishing them for their problem leaking into our nation.
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Postby United World Order » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:05 am

Neu Leonstein wrote:
Arkinesia wrote:Then you stop taking retarded stances toward the whole thing and legalize marijuana and take away a huge chunk of their profits/motivation.

This.

Mexico is screwed, Honduras, Guatemala and so on are even more screwed. And all because of the war on drugs. If you let big pharma provide cocaine and methadone on a large scale, you take away the demand and the cartels will eat themselves up. It's not hard. It's just politically infeasible.


Umm..The Cartels such as Zetas have all the money and drugs they need hence the gold plated weapons and large stash houses of drugs, They want territory thats what they're fighting for territory, Not for money or drugs...no, they want Territory.

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Postby Tubbsalot » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:06 am

New Manvir wrote:Authoritarian policies by the state is the reason for this existing in the first place.

More precisely, authoritarian policies have provided financial opportunities for such gangs. Those policies don't necessarily foster gang activity, in and of themselves.

North Calaveras wrote:I might have been but really? killing everyone in mexico? That's crazy, even for me lol

I say we start punishing them for their problem leaking into our nation.

Again, I look forward to the day where the extra pressure on Mexico from your ill-conceived punishment causes a national collapse and exponential growth in illegal activity and problems leaking into the US.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:06 am

United World Order wrote:Umm..The Cartels such as Zetas have all the money and drugs they need hence the gold plated weapons and large stash houses of drugs, They want territory thats what they're fighting for territory, Not for money or drugs...no, they want Territory.

And your source for this is...? :blink:
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Postby Zarkenis Ultima » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:07 am

United World Order wrote:
Neu Leonstein wrote:This.

Mexico is screwed, Honduras, Guatemala and so on are even more screwed. And all because of the war on drugs. If you let big pharma provide cocaine and methadone on a large scale, you take away the demand and the cartels will eat themselves up. It's not hard. It's just politically infeasible.


Umm..The Cartels such as Zetas have all the money and drugs they need hence the gold plated weapons and large stash houses of drugs, They want territory thats what they're fighting for territory, Not for money or drugs...no, they want Territory.


While that is true, legalizing drugs would still cut off their source of income. They would run out of money, eventually.
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Postby United World Order » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:08 am

Tubbsalot wrote:
United World Order wrote:Umm..The Cartels such as Zetas have all the money and drugs they need hence the gold plated weapons and large stash houses of drugs, They want territory thats what they're fighting for territory, Not for money or drugs...no, they want Territory.

And your source for this is...? :blink:


Youcan find it allover youtube they basicly show off gold plated weapons or the photos of police raids where they find all that,

You want source for The cartels only wanting territory? You don't need a source its pretty logical

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Postby North Calaveras » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:09 am

Tubbsalot wrote:
New Manvir wrote:Authoritarian policies by the state is the reason for this existing in the first place.

More precisely, authoritarian policies have provided financial opportunities for such gangs. Those policies don't necessarily foster gang activity, in and of themselves.

North Calaveras wrote:I might have been but really? killing everyone in mexico? That's crazy, even for me lol

I say we start punishing them for their problem leaking into our nation.

Again, I look forward to the day where the extra pressure on Mexico from your ill-conceived punishment causes a national collapse and exponential growth in illegal activity and problems leaking into the US.


Cause you have a better idea huh?

I'm just giving my "ill-conceived" opinion on the matter. I would never want Mexico to collapse, I never even hinted towards that. I would be more down to instal a military dictatorship.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:09 am

United World Order wrote:Youcan find it allover youtube

That's very useful information for me, but probably not in the way you intended.

United World Order wrote:You want source for The cartels only wanting territory? You don't need a source its pretty logical

So your source is "it makes sense in my head."

Great.
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Postby United World Order » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:10 am

Zarkenis Ultima wrote:
United World Order wrote:
Umm..The Cartels such as Zetas have all the money and drugs they need hence the gold plated weapons and large stash houses of drugs, They want territory thats what they're fighting for territory, Not for money or drugs...no, they want Territory.


While that is true, legalizing drugs would still cut off their source of income. They would run out of money, eventually.


You really beileve there gonna legalize? People have been trying for years to legalize such drugs...Mostly why they were illegalized was because of its addictiveness and the side effects. Legalize Pot yeah i see that happening but all drugs? No thats not gonna happen no matter what.

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Postby Tubbsalot » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:11 am

North Calaveras wrote:Cause you have a better idea huh?

I'm just giving my "ill-conceived" opinion on the matter. I would never want Mexico to collapse, I never even hinted towards that. I would be more down to instal a military dictatorship.

Yes, actually, I do. Security assistance for Mexico would be enormously more helpful (and that's what the US is providing right now).

A military dictatorship wouldn't help, considering the country has been basically in a state of emergency for years now. They can't root out the gangs, and that won't change no matter who's at the helm.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:11 am

Pieman City wrote:Silly internet users trying to actually take on real problems with petty threats.

Some people are getting far too big headed with all the hacking going on. Makes em think they're invincible. And now more people are dead. Good job them

I actually applaud what they're doing. They stole a massive list of government officials that are involved in the drug trade. The zetas are killing them for revenge. But they did the right thing nonetheless.

United World Order wrote:Umm..The Cartels such as Zetas have all the money and drugs they need hence the gold plated weapons and large stash houses of drugs, They want territory thats what they're fighting for territory, Not for money or drugs...no, they want Territory.

They want territory to ship drugs into the US. That's what the fighting is about - wiping out competition for the corridors through which the drugs get shipped.

That's what the Mexican cartels are so good at. They started out as the logistics guys for the Colombians, but with the cartels there getting hammered, eventually the Mexicans integrated more and more of the supply chain into their own organisations. The Zetas joined a bit later when special forces troops switched sides for money, but are much the same otherwise.
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Postby New Manvir » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:12 am

United World Order wrote:
Neu Leonstein wrote:This.

Mexico is screwed, Honduras, Guatemala and so on are even more screwed. And all because of the war on drugs. If you let big pharma provide cocaine and methadone on a large scale, you take away the demand and the cartels will eat themselves up. It's not hard. It's just politically infeasible.


Umm..The Cartels such as Zetas have all the money and drugs they need hence the gold plated weapons and large stash houses of drugs, They want territory thats what they're fighting for territory, Not for money or drugs...no, they want Territory.


And why do they have that money? Because the US governments drug policies have led to a plant, that has been cultivated for thousands of years in almost any environment, being sold for more per ounce than silver and other precious metals.

They fight for territory, so they can control such a lucrative black market. Eliminate the Black Market and you eliminate the violence.
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Postby United World Order » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:12 am

Tubbsalot wrote:
United World Order wrote:Youcan find it allover youtube

That's very useful information for me, but probably not in the way you intended.

United World Order wrote:You want source for The cartels only wanting territory? You don't need a source its pretty logical

So your source is "it makes sense in my head."

Great.


Well where else you gonna find it? FOX? NBC? bullshit.. they hardly talk about it.

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Postby North Calaveras » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:12 am

Tubbsalot wrote:
North Calaveras wrote:Cause you have a better idea huh?

I'm just giving my "ill-conceived" opinion on the matter. I would never want Mexico to collapse, I never even hinted towards that. I would be more down to instal a military dictatorship.

Yes, actually, I do. Security assistance for Mexico would be enormously more helpful (and that's what the US is providing right now).

A military dictatorship wouldn't help, considering the country has been basically in a state of emergency for years now. They can't root out the gangs, and that won't change no matter who's at the helm.


Exactly how "enormously helpful" has it been?
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