Choosing lesbianism.

[Aeronos]

As a bisexual female: lol.

Ex-girlfriend was a massive bitch. My present boyfriend treats me much better. You get awful girls, and you get awful guys. It sounds like a pretty awful way to choose sexuality I have to say; one based not on love, but on hate. But whatever, it's ultimately your call I guess...

[Femnipotent]

I think you man sexual orientation choice, darling. As opposed to misandry.

Sexual orientation as it is now used refers to so called 'natural' and inherent alignments. My choice is not based on so called 'nature', but rather on a process of self-socialisation based on ideological goals.

[The Yremia Corporate]

Because all men are evil and members of the arsonist jaywalker patriarchy.

All of us are part of the patriarchy, by hook or by crook, and all men whether willing are not are the intended recipients of patriarchal power which subjugates women. Whether an individual man is in a position of power over an individual woman or not means nothing in the face of overwhelming societal pressures. Until that changes, I am not going to waste my time on the so called 'good' or 'feminist' men. They can no more change what their society has been set up to give them than I can change the fact that no matter how 'nice' a man is, he will be given power over me. I refuse.

THE PATRIARCHY! oh wait, yeah it doesn't exist, just like santa claus OR WAIT! HE MUST BE THE PATRIARCH! no wait, doesn't exist. Also society forces nothing on you that you cannot ignore, you just fail at your own ideas and so blame "the patriarchy". I will be given power over you simply because unlike you I deal with facts and reality while you? myths and fairy tales.

[The Mindset Reborn]

Oh is this one of those nonsensical arguments that goes, "sure you can form romantic relationships only with women for the rest of your life and engage only in lesbian sex, but you're still actually heterosexual?"

Ok sure, if people want to claim that doing this doesn't matter and I'm still a heterosexual, I suppose the claims are ultimately meaningless as it would change nothing.

Sexuality is what you're attracted to - not how you choose to live.

It can be both.

[Nature-Spirits]

Because all men are evil and members of the arsonist jaywalker patriarchy.

All of us are part of the patriarchy, by hook or by crook, and all men whether willing are not are the intended recipients of patriarchal power which subjugates women. Whether an individual man is in a position of power over an individual woman or not means nothing in the face of overwhelming societal pressures. Until that changes, I am not going to waste my time on the so called 'good' or 'feminist' men. They can no more change what their society has been set up to give them than I can change the fact that no matter how 'nice' a man is, he will be given power over me. I refuse.

My household is matriarchal. I, being male, am a feminist and more than happy to let women run the world, as women are superior to men.

[Seibertron]

Because all men are evil and members of the arsonist jaywalker patriarchy.

All of us are part of the patriarchy, by hook or by crook, and all men whether willing are not are the intended recipients of patriarchal power which subjugates women. Whether an individual man is in a position of power over an individual woman or not means nothing in the face of overwhelming societal pressures. Until that changes, I am not going to waste my time on the so called 'good' or 'feminist' men. They can no more change what their society has been set up to give them than I can change the fact that no matter how 'nice' a man is, he will be given power over me. I refuse.

Then don't bash the nice man, bash the person who gave them their position. Of course you couldn't do that completely, that would be ridiculous and illegal. But say your boss or whatever gave a man who was just as hard working as you a promotion, you take that out on the boss not the man getting the promotion.

[The Yremia Corporate]

All of us are part of the patriarchy, by hook or by crook, and all men whether willing are not are the intended recipients of patriarchal power which subjugates women. Whether an individual man is in a position of power over an individual woman or not means nothing in the face of overwhelming societal pressures. Until that changes, I am not going to waste my time on the so called 'good' or 'feminist' men. They can no more change what their society has been set up to give them than I can change the fact that no matter how 'nice' a man is, he will be given power over me. I refuse.

My household is matriarchal. I, being male, am a feminist and more than happy to let women run the world, as women are superior to men.

Enter the mangina, womens latest slave, after the caveman. Being unbelievably ignorant of truth they seek only sex and will bow down to women and try to enforce their sick ideology onto others pretending that it is good.

What a sad, sad life.

[Hydesland]

What makes you think sexual orientation is purely a product of upbringing? Last I checked the evidence for that was particularly weak. Might you be 'choosing' to adopt that view because it is ideologically convenient? Yes, I think you might.

[Vellosia]

As a bisexual female: lol.

Ex-girlfriend was a massive bitch. My present boyfriend treats me much better. You get awful girls, and you get awful guys. It sounds like a pretty awful way to choose sexuality I have to say; one based not on love, but on hate. But whatever, it's ultimately your call I guess...

Listen to the voice of reason.

[Zeth Rekia]

Sexual orientation as it is now used refers to so called 'natural' and inherent alignments. My choice is not based on so called 'nature', but rather on a process of self-socialisation based on ideological goals.

That's pretty cool.

[The Yremia Corporate]

What makes you think sexual orientation is purely a product of upbringing? Last I checked the evidence for that was particularly weak. Might you be 'choosing' to adopt that view because it is ideologically convenient? Yes, I think you might.

Well done sir! well said.

[Ertae]

If you're truly a lesbian, it's because you've always been a lesbian, and your parents' conditioning suppressed it.

[Vellosia]

My household is matriarchal. I, being male, am a feminist and more than happy to let women run the world, as women are superior to men.

That's no less ridiculous than what the OP is arguing.

[Demonatrix]

Actually Lesbians have the highest rate of domestic violence, so there goes your bullshit.

Yes, so a group of 'Masculinists' have been trying to claim. Ridiculous. Just the sort of gaslighting I referred to in another thread, where men play the victim and pretend that they are being subjected to stunning physical and emotional and sexual violence at the hands of women, and that feminists are hiding it all behind lies about male violence.

Same old Femni posts...

Lesbians tell her lesbians are more likely to kick off, the lesbians must have been brainwashed by the "Masculinist Conspiracy" to tell those awful lies, she can just chose to stop being straight and become a lesbian, and lesbian bars will be overflowing with nice people who hate men as much as she does...

Somebody TG me when this thread gets to the point where she reveals that she hates white women too, thats usually, what, about page 30?

[The Yremia Corporate]

Sexual orientation as it is now used refers to so called 'natural' and inherent alignments. My choice is not based on so called 'nature', but rather on a process of self-socialisation based on ideological goals.

That's pretty cool.

In other words she is only a level 5 feminist, and you need that all important sexuality change or level 7 is out of reach! noooooooo

[Femnipotent]

I think this is where the distinction between nature and culture should be made. I think I already mentioned instinct, which in my opinion is basically nature, hence what is 'natural' to us. You seem to describe feelings which are influenced by culture, e.g. certain governments/countries etc telling certain peoples that they ought to live in a certain way, be it directly or more subtly. But when we talk about 'love' and 'attraction', I cannot possibly believe that any rule, government or culture could restrict the nature of those things. If you look at virtually any civilization that ever existed, evidence of all sexualities exists. This is regardless as to whether it was condemned, encouraged or whatever else. I don't think it's a 'given' that we can no longer understand our natural feelings for people any more, only that society has become far more complicated in certain places for us to realise a 'real' attraction.

Oh please. Our 'tastes' are formed and influenced in a million different ways, from what we are taught to what we constantly see. Hence the explosion of 'shaven' women due to pornography. Are you going to claim that was a natural choice? Instinct? It goes completely beyond instinct. It was some person's preference (probably a pedophile) and because those images were splashed all over the place from the mainstream to the hardcore, it has become the social 'norm'.

Attraction is ultimately a social issue. In ancient Greece, men were socialised to find other men and boys attractive, while women were of limited procreative use. Would you claim that actually, all Greek men were just naturally bisexual with a strong leaning towards homosexuality? What happened? Did those genes get bred out?

There is very little 'natural' about who we are attracted to. Very, very little.

[Seibertron]

as women are superior to men.

err let's not go there, I am not a male supremacist either mind

[Nature-Spirits]

My household is matriarchal. I, being male, am a feminist and more than happy to let women run the world, as women are superior to men.

That's no less ridiculous than what the OP is arguing.

But women are superior, and most women will agree.

[The Yremia Corporate]

Oh yeah, someone remind me how women are superior to men?

[Zeth Rekia]

In other words she is only a level 5 feminist, and you need that all important sexuality change or level 7 is out of reach! noooooooo

She'll grow out of it sooner or later when she finds out nobody gives a damn. Usually around the time when you want a job...

[Nature-Spirits]

Oh yeah, someone remind me how women are superior to men?

They're generally smarter for one.

[Vellosia]

That's no less ridiculous than what the OP is arguing.

But women are superior, and most women will agree.

Bullshit.

No sex is inherently superior to any other.

[The Yremia Corporate]

That's no less ridiculous than what the OP is arguing.

But women are superior, and most women will agree.

That's because they have no grip on reality besides isn't the internet access in the home off at this time, sneaking it are you?

[Vexenite]

I can kind of relate you to. I am a lesbian and find woman more attractive but I was also kind of "trained" to like men. So, I am used to going "Oh he's hot" and stuff. However, I do not want to partake in any kind of romantic or sexual relationship with a male. So, in my case. I didn't really choose to be lesbian, I chose not to be straight. I more or less only made the choice to go by how I felt instead of how I was taught.

[Gauthier]

That's no less ridiculous than what the OP is arguing.

But women are superior, and most women will agree.

It doesn't matter how much you kow tow to women, the OP will ignore you solely on the basis of having a penis and a pair of testes.