Choosing lesbianism.

[Seibertron]

Prison rape?
Well inmates don't choose to be gay they get forced to partake in homosexual unless you talking about the rapist who may or may not have been gay.

No not rape I mean just choosing to use men as substitute women. It used to be quite common in British boarding schools too. And, of course, it doesn't necessarily mean you're choosing to be gay, just like the idea of choosing to be lesbian seems stupid!

Oh right, after long periods of isolation from the opposite sex it is cliché to turn to homosexuality.

[The Yremia Corporate]

And so, how many relationships with women have you had?

I have my gf/partner, and we have a deep connection.

Well congrats, and hope all goes well.

[The Yremia Corporate]

Ma'm (or miss), I would implore you to keep your sexuality to yourself and those with whom you are... intimate... ahem, that said, "tmi".

She can't she cut off connection to men a while ago, probably why she is getting all heated about wanting to be lesbian.

[Femnipotent]

I do believe that it's not a choice, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that 'choosing' one way or another is 'stupid'.
She could have been this way her whole life and only realised now, hence why it feels like a 'choice'.

It does not 'feel' like a choice, it is a choice.

Look. Getting on to skates the first time does not feel natural, but you learn how to do it, right? Choosing to get on them is not a 'natural' choice.

There are all sorts of biological imperatives we have as humans that are coded into our DNA, and yet a great many of those imperatives can absolutely be controlled. We make choices about how to control them.

I have grown up in a society that made certain choices, and then taught me to make the same choices among a carefully controlled set of 'options'. I am attempting to break out of that, by making my own choices. Humans do this all the time. Why must it be something else (my real nature coming through) when it comes to sexuality?

Why of all things must sexuality be set in stone and like Eskimos all we do is uncover the true form? I think I can carve something different.

[Seibertron]

Ma'm (or miss), I would implore you to keep your sexuality to yourself and those with whom you are... intimate... ahem, that said, "tmi".

She can't she cut off connection to men a while ago, probably why she is getting all heated about wanting to be lesbian.

Yep the internet is the best place to disconnect from people!

[The Congregationists]

Personally, I don't care who the O.P is attracted to or not.

But the idea that sexual orientation is a "choice" should be a welcome one to Westboro Baptist, Pat Robertson and the rest of the religious right. "See? The gays really can be cured, if they want to be." This is a big part, though only a part, of why I don't like political lesbianism.

[Grand Westphalia]

Ma'm (or miss), I would implore you to keep your sexuality to yourself and those with whom you are... intimate... ahem, that said, "tmi".

She can't she cut off connection to men a while ago, probably why she is getting all heated about wanting to be lesbian.

I understand that. My concern is that she is discussing her... [whisper] sexuality [/whisper]... on a Public interweb forum...

[The Yremia Corporate]

I do believe that it's not a choice, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that 'choosing' one way or another is 'stupid'.
She could have been this way her whole life and only realised now, hence why it feels like a 'choice'.

It does not 'feel' like a choice, it is a choice.

Look. Getting on to skates the first time does not feel natural, but you learn how to do it, right? Choosing to get on them is not a 'natural' choice.

There are all sorts of biological imperatives we have as humans that are coded into our DNA, and yet a great many of those imperatives can absolutely be controlled. We make choices about how to control them.

I have grown up in a society that made certain choices, and then taught me to make the same choices among a carefully controlled set of 'options'. I am attempting to break out of that, by making my own choices. Humans do this all the time. Why must it be something else (my real nature coming through) when it comes to sexuality?

Why of all things must sexuality be set in stone?

Yeah cause skating is like sex, I can just remember the first orgasm I had when I touched my boots.

Also most (sexuality being one) of your characteristics are decided by genes not you, so lol at your failed argument.

[JustinusCaesar]

She can't she cut off connection to men a while ago, probably why she is getting all heated about wanting to be lesbian.

I understand that. My concern is that she is discussing her... [whisper] sexuality [/whisper]... on a Public interweb forum...

I am straight


Am i doing it right?

[The Yremia Corporate]

Well we all know she is posting it here for attention or simply is confused but attention seems more likely.

[Pieman City]

I've always been under the impression that a true relationship requires sexual attraction, which I beleive isn't something one can force.


You can claim to be a lesbian, and only date women, but I wouldn't say you've "converted" so to speak, unless you find yourself being sexually aroused over the female form.


And if that is the case, you're likely bisexual.

[Femnipotent]

Personally, I don't care who the O.P is attracted to or not.

But the idea that sexual orientation is a "choice" should be a welcome one to Westboro Baptist, Pat Robertson and the rest of the religious right. "See? The gays really can be cured, if they want to be." This is a big part, though only a part, of why I don't like political lesbianism.

I can understand why you would find the concept distasteful, as distastefully as somewhat similar arguments have been used by such hate groups. However, the use of 'choice' as an instrument of hate does not invalidate my exercise of choice. We do not dismiss the notion of free speech merely because Holocaust deniers rely on it.

[The Republic of Lanos]

I understand what you're getting at but you can't hate men because they're men. That's misandry.

[Beldonia]

Well we all know she is posting it here for attention or simply is confused but attention seems more likely.

That's a bit rude and assuming.

[The Batorys]

You can't choose to be a lesbian - you either are you aren't.

Oh is this one of those nonsensical arguments that goes, "sure you can form romantic relationships only with women for the rest of your life and engage only in lesbian sex, but you're still actually heterosexual?"

Ok sure, if people want to claim that doing this doesn't matter and I'm still a heterosexual, I suppose the claims are ultimately meaningless as it would change nothing.

You're not getting it.

People aren't saying "it doesn't matter and you're still a heterosexual." You are choosing to interpret people in a more hostile way than they actually are.

What people are actually saying is "You can't force yourself to be one sexuality or another." If you are, in fact, bisexual or homosexual, great. But it's not something you can choose.

If you are, in fact, a lesbian, or a bisexual woman, then it is something you were born as and have denied in yourself up until now. Are you a woman and sexually attracted, on some level, to other women? If the answer is "yes," you are either homosexual or bisexual. If the answer is "no," that you are not sexually attracted on any level to other women, then you're out of luck, at least as far as this endeavor is concerned.

I don't know the inner workings of your mind, I don't know who you are sexually attracted to, I'm just putting the matter in as stark, clear terms as I can. Ultimately, the person who answers the question of who you are sexually attracted to... must be you, of course.

Like I said, if you are, in fact, sexually attracted to other women, that's great, and I hope you find a good partner (or good partners, if that's more your thing... and remember, just because someone's a woman doesn't preclude her being crazy, or emotionally abusive, or a whole mess of other things that can ruin relationship), and enjoy many happy years in whatever romantic endeavors you engage in.

If you're not on any level sexually attracted to other women... then this probably won't work out well for you. You can't force yourself to be sexually attracted to someone when you're really not. This is something that many, many "in the closet" gays/lesbians trying to look "normal" (quotation marks because homosexuality is, in fact, completely natural and normal) in repressive social environments, have discovered.

[Mourro]

OK, so, being 'critical-minded', I will suppose that me, as a gay man, am to choose to like women. Because you seem to suggest that choice should be fine and that I can apparently just forget about my natural attraction to men. Suppose I try to have sexual relations with a woman. What do you think will happen? That is something that I have explored in my younger days, and something which fails miserably every time. I am just not naturally attracted to women - or I should say SEXUALLY. Therefore I believe that I cannot simply 'choose' to like women. It would repulse me and make me miserable. I love numerous women, but have never been sexually attracted to any one of them. It's just not in my nature. That is homosexuality, that is my nature. Really, honestly being able to choose and not mind smells like bisexuality to me. Or utter confusion.

Choice is fine.

Whether or not you have any reason to choose not to be attracted to men is intensely personal, and I cannot speak to that. Your particular sexual interests are yours, and I am not offloading mine on to you.

Other people have expressed similar feelings to me, both her and in my offline life. I am not trying to make my experience a universal one, and thus my choices should not threaten you.

Thus is the complexity of sexuality. I understand that each case is acutely individual and that we cannot 'categorize' sexuality or label it as easily as we'd like to, but I am pretty certain that we cannot choose because we're pressured to AND be content with that; we choose rather to accept our natural sexual preference(s).

[Femnipotent]

I understand that. My concern is that she is discussing her... [whisper] sexuality [/whisper]... on a Public interweb forum...

Removing certain influences from your life can mean isolating yourself from them, or learning how to...not let them influence you. The latter obviously is harder than the former but it is hardly impossible.

Nor are 'male influences' confined to men, something that is often overlooked.

But that is a digression and I apologise.

[Demonatrix]

This thread is starting to look a lot like four-sided's last thread. Is anyone else noticing this or is it just me?

It's starting to look like Femnipotents last 3 threads...

Ignore anyone who disagrees, make insane claims, announce she will become a lesbian, denounce all males, denounce all female that dont denounce all males, like I said earlier, somebody TG me when she gets to how while lesbians are also the enemy too...

[The Yremia Corporate]

Warning the OP is a feminazi:

Posts that do not agree will be warned then the poster will be blocked!

all hail the patriarchy!

my lols

[Seibertron]

This thread is starting to look a lot like four-sided's last thread. Is anyone else noticing this or is it just me?

It's starting to look like Femnipotents last 3 threads...

Ignore anyone who disagrees, make insane claims, announce she will become a lesbian, denounce all males, denounce all female that dont denounce all males, like I said earlier, somebody TG me when she gets to how while lesbians are also the enemy too...

Femnipotent! Tip if you don't want people to correct you then don't post on a forum! There are things call blogs!

[The Yremia Corporate]

This thread is starting to look a lot like four-sided's last thread. Is anyone else noticing this or is it just me?

It's starting to look like Femnipotents last 3 threads...

Ignore anyone who disagrees, make insane claims, announce she will become a lesbian, denounce all males, denounce all female that dont denounce all males, like I said earlier, somebody TG me when she gets to how while lesbians are also the enemy too...

THE LESBIANS! THEY LOVE THINGS! ARRRRRGH! THERES NO LOVE IN A PERFECT WORLD! is how I imagine her discovery.

[IL Ruffino]

Personally, I don't care who the O.P is attracted to or not.

But the idea that sexual orientation is a "choice" should be a welcome one to Westboro Baptist, Pat Robertson and the rest of the religious right. "See? The gays really can be cured, if they want to be." This is a big part, though only a part, of why I don't like political lesbianism.

How fucking dare you imply that my God would give anyone the choice to be gay. Truly disgusting and offensive.

[Christian Democrats]

I have chosen to become a lesbian.

When are you moving to Lesbos?

[Femnipotent]

I've always been under the impression that a true relationship requires sexual attraction, which I beleive isn't something one can force.

Why not?

As I noted earlier, the now mainstream preference for shaved female genitalia is not some sort of 'natural' preference. It has become a social preference. Like fake breasts, fake tans, and a variety of other modifications humans make to their appearance according to the whims of fashion and attraction.

If you know that, how can you claim we cannot influence ourselves to become attracted to things we choose to become attracted to? Must the guiding forced only be external to be legitimate?

You can claim to be a lesbian, and only date women, but I wouldn't say you've "converted" so to speak, unless you find yourself being sexually aroused over the female form.

Then I have succeeded.

And if that is the case, you're likely bisexual.

Again, why the insistence that it absolutely cannot be choice?

[Lordieth]

I've been reading your threads with interest Femnipotent, and while I do find some of your views a little shocking, I don't see why anyone should be tied into social comformity. However, I do think you're on a path of misanthropy, by letting your dislike of men and male society guide your life. Do you not think that by taking such extreme measures you may infact be programming yourself to be maladjusted? Socially alienated and dysfunctional? I do not in any way frown upon the way you wish to live your life, but it does seem that you are consumed by your drive to avoid male society that unless you move somewhere entirely devoid of them, you will villify them to the point of developing a crippling phobia.

I do hope it works out for you, though, and that it brings you what you feel will make you happy.