Best and Worst US Presidents of all time.

[High Vasa]

Cool, but what are your reasons. That is where the learning begins for everyone. (I agree about JFK being overrated and Nixon being underrated, but I'm not too happy with LBJ myself)

Harry S. Truman continued a progressive policy of economic egalitarianism and worked for the common man without being a spineless populist. Also, he knew when tough decisions had to be made, and knew how to not alienate our allies.

Buchanan... Really? Do I really have to explain his incompetence?

Coolidge was a great man, but his belief in limited Federal power doomed his presidency to be sub-par at best. I love the man, though. Grant was an enlightened war veteran, a great man by all accounts, a man who held progressive beliefs... But goddamn
did his judgement suck.

Andrew "Genocide" Jackson was a fucking pseudo-monarch who defied the other branches of government when it suited him, evicted and led to the death of thousands of people that could have contributed meaningfully to the United States, and were willing to, and crashed the US economy with his meddling.

He also gave voting power to the common man, strengthened Federal control and helped form the idea of the states of America as one nation, and not a scattered collection of States.

JFK only gets a free pass because he was killed. Look at the man's policy and you see nothing but populism and mediocrity. Plus, he almost started WW3 (Thank God for Khrushchev)

LBJ only gets attacked so much because Vietnam was such a disaster. He could have been great, but instead the war destroyed everything he could have accomplished. A real shame.

Nixon was a crook, a liar, and a paranoid manipulator. He was also used realpolitik to great advantage and converted US currency to fiat.

Actually, my issues with LBJ have nothing to do with the Vietnam conflict, it has to do with the "Great Society" and his "Newer than New Deal" (My quotes). History will show that his policies have led to the destruction of the nuclear family, and the massive dependence that many, many Americans have on the Federal Government.

[Conserative Morality]

Actually, my issues with LBJ have nothing to do with the Vietnam conflict, it has to do with the "Great Society" and his "Newer than New Deal" (My quotes). History will show that his policies have led to the destruction of the nuclear family, and the massive dependence that many, many Americans have on the Federal Government.

Oh God, not this again.

[Episarta]

Best
1.Abraham Lincoln
2.Franklin Delano Roosevelt
3.George Washington
4.Theodore Roosevelt
5.Harry S. Truman

Worst
1.James Buchanan
2.William Harding
3.Franklin Pierce
4.Andrew Johnson
5.Ulysses S. Grant

My knowledge of presidential history is a bit rusty, but was Pierce the one that eventually became a depressed, suicidal, alcoholic? Or am I thinking of a different president?

[Revolutopia]

Best
1.Abraham Lincoln
2.Franklin Delano Roosevelt
3.George Washington
4.Theodore Roosevelt
5.Harry S. Truman

Worst
1.James Buchanan
2.William Harding
3.Franklin Pierce
4.Andrew Johnson
5.Ulysses S. Grant

My presidential history knowledge is a bit rusty, but was Pierce the one that eventually became a depressed, suicidal, alcoholic? Or am I thinking of a different president?

Not that I have ever heard(though he is not someone I research). The faults that I find with him relate more directly with how it was during his term that the faultlines of the Civil War started to appear and he did little in reconciliation to bring the country back together.

[Volmachtia]

Best: A tie between Eisenhower and Teddy Roosevelt.

Worst: DEFINITELY James Buchanan. Talk about playing the fiddle while Rome burns.

[Siorafrica]

Best was Lincoln. Worst was Millard Filmore,Grant,Bush or Reagan.

[High Vasa]

I didn't pick one, I picked the Top 10 Best and the Top 4 Worst.

Best, in order chronolgically: Washington(founder, general, diplomat, etc.), Jefferson(wrote Declaration of Independence), Linoln(reunified the Union), Polk(annexed Texas ), Roosevelt(Teddy)(Panama canal, San Juan Hill, trustbusting), Wilson(WWI, League of Nations, anti-Versailles treaty), Roosevelt(Franklin)(Great depression, WW2), Truman(WW2, UN), JFK(handling the Cuban Crisis), Reagan(ending the Cold War peacefully).
Worst, same order: Jackson(I'm part Cherokee, if that explains it), LBJ(Vietnam), Nixon(did a lot of awesome stuff, but Watergate knida ruined it), and Dubya(attacking the wrong country, screwing the world economy, not killing bin Laden, election fraud, spying on his own people, etc.)

You put GWB on your bottom list for election fraud, but not Rutherford B Hayes? I challenge you to read the book Fraud of the Century by Roy Morris, Jr. and you will truly see a case of election fraud. There is also a strong argument that if it wasn't for the Daley Machine in Chicago, then Richard Nixon would have been president in 1961 instead of JFK (ever hear the phrase "vote early and vote often?)

[Conserative Morality]

Best was Lincoln. Worst was Millard Filmore,Grant,Bush or Reagan.

Damn, why all the hate on Grant?

[High Vasa]

My presidential history knowledge is a bit rusty, but was Pierce the one that eventually became a depressed, suicidal, alcoholic? Or am I thinking of a different president?

Not that I have ever heard(though he is not someone I research). The faults that I find with him relate more directly with how it was during his term that the faultlines of the Civil War started to appear and he did little in reconciliation to bring the country back together.

Pierce did, but I believe it was after he served in office.

[High Vasa]

Best was Lincoln. Worst was Millard Filmore,Grant,Bush or Reagan.

Damn, why all the hate on Grant?

I stated my issues with Grant. He was a truly great general, but I can only think of one general who became a great president, and he wasn't a great general (Washington) Andy Jackson was a great general, but only a good president (better than most, but not the best)

[Revolutopia]

There is also a strong argument that if it wasn't for the Daley Machine in Chicago, then Richard Nixon would have been president in 1961 instead of JFK (ever hear the phrase "vote early and vote often?)

Even if Kennedy had lost Illinois he would still have been elected president, moreover while Kennedy might have cheated in Chicago there is also quite a bit of evidence that Nixon's supporters in Southern Illinois might have also engaged in voter fraud in order to bring the state to Nixon. Thus, in 1960 Illinois was just a state where the better cheater was able to out cheat the other cheater.

[Conserative Morality]

I stated my issues with Grant. He was a truly great general, but I can only think of one general who became a great president, and he wasn't a great general (Washington) Andy Jackson was a great general, but only a good president (better than most, but not the best)

Ike springs to mind.

[Episarta]

Not that I have ever heard(though he is not someone I research). The faults that I find with him relate more directly with how it was during his term that the faultlines of the Civil War started to appear and he did little in reconciliation to bring the country back together.

Pierce did, but I believe it was after he served in office.

Ah yes, according to Wikipedia, he struggled with alcoholism and died from cirrhosis of the liver. Also, all three of his children died young, one in a particularly brutal train accident right in front of him. Hmm, it seems he didn't have a very pleasent life. Kinda feel bad for him. But yes, that was all before and after his presidency.

[High Vasa]

I stated my issues with Grant. He was a truly great general, but I can only think of one general who became a great president, and he wasn't a great general (Washington) Andy Jackson was a great general, but only a good president (better than most, but not the best)

Ike springs to mind.

Great General, but I fail to see anything stellar in his presidency

[Revolutopia]

Best was Lincoln. Worst was Millard Filmore,Grant,Bush or Reagan.

Damn, why all the hate on Grant?

Corruption is a black spot that is hard to wash out of people's minds, and the corruption of Grant's cabinet is one of the only things besides his war conduct that one hears about Grant.

[Revolutopia]

Ike springs to mind.

Great General, but I fail to see anything stellar in his presidency

Supporting Civil Rights and Building the Interstate System are both pretty stellar.

[Conserative Morality]

Great General, but I fail to see anything stellar in his presidency

Dunno, I think the Highway system and the start of desegregation are pretty good marks.

[Graecia]

Best: Tie between JFK & FDR

Worst: Reagan

[Conserative Morality]

Corruption is a black spot that is hard to wash out of people's minds, and the corruption of Grant's cabinet is one of the only things besides his war conduct that one hears about Grant.

I hate how much of his presidency is ignored. The man practically passed the Civil Rights Act a century ahead of time.

[High Vasa]

There is also a strong argument that if it wasn't for the Daley Machine in Chicago, then Richard Nixon would have been president in 1961 instead of JFK (ever hear the phrase "vote early and vote often?)

Even if Kennedy had lost Illinois he would still have been elected president, moreover while Kennedy might have cheated in Chicago there is also quite a bit of evidence that Nixon's supporters in Southern Illinois might have also engaged in voter fraud in order to bring the state to Nixon. Thus, in 1960 Illinois was just a state where the better cheater was able to out cheat the other cheater.

I can't argue with the last part of your statement, but as to the first: Kennedy won the election 303-219 Had Illinois gone to Nixon, then the 27 votes would have changed the tally to Kennedy 249 Nixon 276

[High Vasa]

Great General, but I fail to see anything stellar in his presidency

Dunno, I think the Highway system and the start of desegregation are pretty good marks.

I will give him Kudos on desegregation, and he started that when he was Allied High Commander.

[Maurepas]

Great General, but I fail to see anything stellar in his presidency

Dunno, I think the Highway system and the start of desegregation are pretty good marks.

Forgot about Eisenhower, definitely on my list of great Presidents as well.

[Revolutopia]

Corruption is a black spot that is hard to wash out of people's minds, and the corruption of Grant's cabinet is one of the only things besides his war conduct that one hears about Grant.

I hate how much of his presidency is ignored. The man practically passed the Civil Rights Act a century ahead of time.

I agree now looking at it, I realize I forgot Fillmore as another president with Pierce who I think should be ranked near the bottom. Thus editing my original post the ranking for bottom five should read. 1.Buchanan 2. Pierce 3. Fillmore 4. Harding 5. Johnson.

Even if Kennedy had lost Illinois he would still have been elected president, moreover while Kennedy might have cheated in Chicago there is also quite a bit of evidence that Nixon's supporters in Southern Illinois might have also engaged in voter fraud in order to bring the state to Nixon. Thus, in 1960 Illinois was just a state where the better cheater was able to out cheat the other cheater.

I can't argue with the last part of your statement, but as to the first: Kennedy won the election 303-219 Had Illinois gone to Nixon, then the 27 votes would have changed the tally to Kennedy 249 Nixon 276

What math are you using? 303 minus 27 equals 276 not 249, thus Kennedy would have still been elected.

[California Bay Area]

Best
1.Teddy
2. Franklin
3.Jefferson
4.JFK( maybe)
5. Nixon
Worst
1. Buchanan
2. Hoover
Something
Something
Truman

[Tmutarakhan]

Uh, Khrushchev almost started WW3 (thank God for JFK), twice actually (the Berlin Wall was intended to force a confrontation, but JFK decided to respond only verbally).

lol

Khrushchev stopped WW3 by turning to words when JFK was performing acts of war on the USSR's allies. The Berlin Wall wasn't approved by Khrushchev either. This may shock you, but East Germany was not run by Khrushchev.

You must be too young to remember the Cold War. There was an agreed demarcation of spheres of influence: the United States would not intervene on behalf of Hungary or Czechoslovakia because of the Yalta agreement, and contrariwise did not accept the USSR's right to make "allies" in the Western Hemisphere (the US had proclaimed since Monroe that everyone else should stay out of Latin America, and after the end of our Civil War that had been respected). For the USSR to go further and make Cuba into a nuclear base was a total provocation, which Khrushchev undertook only because JFK had decided not to react forcefully to the Berlin Wall, which Khrushchev mistook as a sign of weakness (and no, the East German government would not have built that wall if Khrushchev had told them not to; they had no more ability to resist Soviet tanks than Hungary or Czechoslovakia). The Politburo thought Khrushchev's "reckless adventurism" had damaged Soviet interests; they would have fired him more quickly, except that of course the conspirational wrangling for positions in the replacement government had to take place in quiet whispers, which took over a year.