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Best and Worst US Presidents of all time.

Postby High Vasa » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:40 pm

This may have been discussed before, but if so I missed it. I'd like to see people's views on the subject of who was the best US President ever and who was the worst, and if you respond, please explain your reasons.

In my opinion the best president was George Washington. He had to create the framework of the executive branch of the US government while staying withing the guidelines of the Constitution and also had to avoid allowing power to corrupt him. I don't think any of his contemporaries could have accomplished that feat. A close second would be James Garfield. Held two non consecutive terms and he viewed his role in government as a restraint against Congress. He vetoed more bills in eight years than all other presidents combined.

The worst president, in my opinion, was James Buchanan. He failed to mitigate the looming crisis of succession and then after he let the union break up, he did nothing to attempt to restore the country. A close second would either be Andrew Johnson who let himself be treated as a non entity by both Congress and the cabinet he inherited, of Ulysses Grant, who was unable to curtail the rampant corruption in his administration that eventually led to the most fraudulent election in American history, one which might actually have been stolen by the Republican reconstruction machine in Florida and Louisiana.

What's everyone else's thoughts.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:50 pm

Best - Harry S. Truman (Honorable mention to TR)

Worst - James Buchanan

Award for being great people but less-than-stellar presidents: Calvin Coolidge, Ulysses S. Grant

Award for being a terrible person but overall beneficial president: Andrew "Genocide" Jackson

Award for being fucking overrated: JFK

Award for being fucking underrated: LBJ and Nixon
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Postby High Vasa » Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:52 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Best - Harry S. Truman (Honorable mention to TR)

Worst - James Buchanan

Award for being great people but less-than-stellar presidents: Calvin Coolidge, Ulysses S. Grant

Award for being a terrible person but overall beneficial president: Andrew "Genocide" Jackson

Award for being fucking overrated: JFK

Award for being fucking underrated: LBJ and Nixon



Cool, but what are your reasons. That is where the learning begins for everyone. (I agree about JFK being overrated and Nixon being underrated, but I'm not too happy with LBJ myself)

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Postby The UK in Exile » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:05 pm

Regarding James Buchanan, after the south seceding, he was no longer president, he had no authority to fix the union.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:07 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Best - Harry S. Truman (Honorable mention to TR)

Worst - James Buchanan

Award for being great people but less-than-stellar presidents: Calvin Coolidge, Ulysses S. Grant

Award for being a terrible person but overall beneficial president: Andrew "Genocide" Jackson

Award for being fucking overrated: JFK

Award for being fucking underrated: LBJ and Nixon

Mhmm. Dunno about Truman being the best and I think Polk kicks ass too.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:09 pm

Best: JFK
Worst: George Bush.

Ah, capitalism... It killed Kennedy too.
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:10 pm

Best: Either Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, or Thomas Jefferson, imo.

Worst: Either John Quincy Adams or George W. Bush, for similar reasons to eachother.

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Postby Levorno Revell » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:11 pm

Best: I suppose Theodore Roosevelt, or Harry Truman. I like James Monroe, but he wasn't one of the best.
Worst: William G Harding, Woodrow Wilson, Andrew Jackson, Richard Nixon(Were it not for Watergate, I would have him with the best.)
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Postby Lesbia » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:12 pm

Let me put it in different terms.

Best - not Barack Obama.
Worst - not George Bush.
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Postby OMGeverynameistaken » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:13 pm

Best - Andrew Jackson
Worst - Andrew Jackson
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:13 pm

High Vasa wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Best - Harry S. Truman (Honorable mention to TR)

Worst - James Buchanan

Award for being great people but less-than-stellar presidents: Calvin Coolidge, Ulysses S. Grant

Award for being a terrible person but overall beneficial president: Andrew "Genocide" Jackson

Award for being fucking overrated: JFK

Award for being fucking underrated: LBJ and Nixon



Cool, but what are your reasons. That is where the learning begins for everyone. (I agree about JFK being overrated and Nixon being underrated, but I'm not too happy with LBJ myself)


Harry S. Truman continued a progressive policy of economic egalitarianism and worked for the common man without being a spineless populist. Also, he knew when tough decisions had to be made, and knew how to not alienate our allies.

Buchanan... Really? Do I really have to explain his incompetence?

Coolidge was a great man, but his belief in limited Federal power doomed his presidency to be sub-par at best. I love the man, though. Grant was an enlightened war veteran, a great man by all accounts, a man who held progressive beliefs... But goddamn
did his judgement suck.

Andrew "Genocide" Jackson was a fucking pseudo-monarch who defied the other branches of government when it suited him, evicted and led to the death of thousands of people that could have contributed meaningfully to the United States, and were willing to, and crashed the US economy with his meddling.

He also gave voting power to the common man, strengthened Federal control and helped form the idea of the states of America as one nation, and not a scattered collection of States.

JFK only gets a free pass because he was killed. Look at the man's policy and you see nothing but populism and mediocrity. Plus, he almost started WW3 (Thank God for Khrushchev)

LBJ only gets attacked so much because Vietnam was such a disaster. He could have been great, but instead the war destroyed everything he could have accomplished. A real shame.

Nixon was a crook, a liar, and a paranoid manipulator. He was also used realpolitik to great advantage and converted US currency to fiat.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:14 pm

Maurepas wrote:Best: Either Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, or Thomas Jefferson, imo.

Worst: Either John Quincy Adams or George W. Bush, for similar reasons to eachother.


Roosevelt was fecking awesome.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:16 pm

Maurepas wrote:Best: Either Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, or Thomas Jefferson, imo.

Worst: Either John Quincy Adams or George W. Bush, for similar reasons to eachother.

Wilson? Ew.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:18 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:Mhmm. Dunno about Truman being the best and I think Polk kicks ass too.

Truman is definitely the best. Polk, well, I'm not a fan of the Mexican-American war.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:18 pm

Levorno Revell wrote: Richard Nixon(Were it not for Watergate, I would have him with the best.)

Watergate is a shitty reason to knock someone from best to worst.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:19 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:Mhmm. Dunno about Truman being the best and I think Polk kicks ass too.

Truman is definitely the best. Polk, well, I'm not a fan of the Mexican-American war.

Come on, all that land was wasted on being Mexico's. They weren't really even doing anything with it and we would have simply seen a replay of what happened in Texas at the least in California.
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Lackadaisical2 wrote:Come on, all that land was wasted on being Mexico's. They weren't really even doing anything with it and we would have simply seen a replay of what happened in Texas at the least in California.

I'm not a fan of Imperialism by Democratic nations. =/
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:22 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Maurepas wrote:Best: Either Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, or Thomas Jefferson, imo.

Worst: Either John Quincy Adams or George W. Bush, for similar reasons to eachother.

Wilson? Ew.

Well it's one of those things, was he a great person? No, he was a racist bastard. But as a President I like his policies, especially in the foreign policy department.

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Conserative Morality wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:Come on, all that land was wasted on being Mexico's. They weren't really even doing anything with it and we would have simply seen a replay of what happened in Texas at the least in California.

I'm not a fan of Imperialism by Democratic nations. =/

Eh, so long as it turns out well for us...
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:22 pm

Maurepas wrote:Well it's one of those things, was he a great person? No, he was a racist bastard. But as a President I like his policies, especially in the foreign policy department.

What, keep us out of the war by waiting until it couldn't affect his election chances?

Plus, being a racist bastard affected policy. =/
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:22 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Wilson? Ew.

Well it's one of those things, was he a great person? No, he was a racist bastard. But as a President I like his policies, especially in the foreign policy department.

I thought you were non-interventionist.
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Postby Revolutopia » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:23 pm

Best
1.Abraham Lincoln
2.Franklin Delano Roosevelt
3.George Washington
4.Theodore Roosevelt
5.Harry S. Truman

Worst*revised edition*
1.James Buchanan
2.Franklin Pierce
3.Millard Fillmore
4.William Harding
5.Andrew Johnson
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Postby Maurepas » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:24 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Maurepas wrote:Well it's one of those things, was he a great person? No, he was a racist bastard. But as a President I like his policies, especially in the foreign policy department.

I thought you were non-interventionist.

I am, and he didn't get involved until the Germans started attacking our shipping lanes. Sure we were selling arms before that, but I don't have a problem there.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:25 pm

Revolutopia wrote:Best
1.Abraham Lincoln
2.Franklin Delano Roosevelt
3.George Washington
4.Theodore Roosevelt
5.Harry S. Truman

Worst
1.James Buchanan
2.William Harding
3.Franklin Pierce
4.Andrew Johnson
5.Ulysses S. Grant

Oh, Grant? Really?

He had some good policies. Just... Terrible, terrible judgement!
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:26 pm

Maurepas wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I thought you were non-interventionist.

I am, and he didn't get involved until the Germans started attacking our shipping lanes. Sure we were selling arms before that, but I don't have a problem there.

IIRC, more US ships were sunk by Brit mines than my German anti-shipping efforts though. :/
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